<rjeffries>
roh I pretty much agree on that principle
<rjeffries>
roh I appreciate the zeal for ideals. and will leave now becaus emy throat is sore *ongoing cold) and it is way past my bedtim
<roh>
rjeffries: to be fair: i see business building on debt as a bad idea in itself.
<roh>
rjeffries: sure. i do all my stuff from 'gain' .. i dont like having debt.
<rjeffries>
roh that's cool. works especially well if you can bootstart real cheaply and start getting positive cash flow and build unit volume so you improve gross margins
<wolfspraul>
rjeffries: strong marketing partner, that's what we need.
<roh>
rjeffries: so if somebody is rich and wants to invest its fine. if its a banker, i cannot care less.
<rjeffries>
yeah I am a professional pain in the ass. and worth every cent you pay me. ;)
<roh>
rjeffries: in general: i dont like people working with not their own money.
<rjeffries>
wolfspraul those may be potential markets,
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: he does seem to show a certain destructive streak lately, doesn't he ? doesn't want money, seeks trouble with customs, ...
<rjeffries>
angels investors want to see a simple business plan ofcourse
<rjeffries>
I am JOKING people.
<rjeffries>
maybe wolfsproul can rob banks at night to finance dsharisim at work
<rjeffries>
that is a valid position.
<rjeffries>
oh I don't like VCs either
<rjeffries>
wolfspraul VC busines is business. risks are high, most startups fail, they have to make good money on their wins
<rjeffries>
they want a nice payback as you know
<rjeffries>
what is investment, what is payback, how long does it take
<rjeffries>
say you mainly want to commercialize MM (I have no idea)
<rjeffries>
do you have a business plan you would show a potential investor?
<rjeffries>
new topic briefly?
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: in german, we have a saying "if the donkey feels too confident, he goes on the ice"
<rjeffries>
I will be at a VC meeting Thursday, just seeing lay of the land.
<rjeffries>
that would be a great way to fuck it up.
<rjeffries>
that does not work as I am sure you know
<rjeffries>
but I shall not beat a dead horse. nope
<rjeffries>
that is what I am saying this is not end user issue it is customs.
<rjeffries>
have fun, make a gazillion dollars
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: most customers probably don't really care where it's made. they only get pissed off if it gets stuck at customs :)
<rjeffries>
you need Made in Taiwan. You will see.
<rjeffries>
I am late to bed
<rjeffries>
that is very cool but will not satisfy customs. but you will learn. no problemo
<rjeffries>
"Madein Taiwan" (I could ~NOT~ resist)
<rjeffries>
woldspraul either usage is proper I prefer "tO slight over "for"
<rjeffries>
wprak works for me. I am EXCITED youmay use AVR will increase salebility IMO
<wolfspraul>
rjeffries: question for the native speaker. is it "published an introduction to Milkymist One" or "published an introduceion for Milkymist One"?
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: mainly avr being a more popular choice in the diy community than silabs. the chip may also be a little more efficient (has hw-assisted spi while i had to bit-bang on the silabs chip)
<rjeffries>
wprak you are on thin ice dude. vice that has barely frosen ove maybe 1 cm deep at most
<rjeffries>
wprak what convinced you to chnage MCU on atUSB? I am delighte dyou are likely going with AVR but wi=onder what trigged the new direction
<rjeffries>
ok I was talking about letting people who do not come to irc know it is moving ali=ong
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: wolfgang doesn't like to have projections in the news :)
<rjeffries>
wolfspraul in terms of community news, would it make sense to give a brief status on how atBen and atUSB are coming alonh with NO shhip date>
<rjeffries>
Tucbrain could supply the Fosdem info with 10 minutes investment
<rjeffries>
wpwrak damn. I yjought you were an 18 yr old beautiful woman
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: if the thing doesn't actually run android, calling it "androidstamp" seems at least a bit dishonest. kinda as if i'd pick a nick "sexylolita" :)
<rjeffries>
wpwrak: wolfspraul: ah ... the numbered references, right. easy to overlook :) // nope I saw them and clicked through;)
<rjeffries>
it may be misleading until more RAM is glued on that board but it is pretty good marketing
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: (think that at all) err ... what ?
<rjeffries>
by the way (donning fireproof underwaer) as a marketing gimmick "Android Stamp" is a play on "Basic Stamp. that is not crazy
<rjeffries>
time will tell if he has some measure of sucess. since SIE was not core to sharism, it ain't no big deal
<rjeffries>
wprak no I do not think that at all
<rjeffries>
since his goals are differnt that yours what the hell,
<rjeffries>
in the open source world these disagreemnets and resulting forks are not rare
<rjeffries>
that is a don't care. I thought you were generous acy=tually
<rjeffries>
oh absolutrely yes yes and HELL yes
<tuxbrain>
rjeffries: now you start to understand us?....
<rjeffries>
who gives a damn if he does Android or something else>|.
<rjeffries>
I ws mainly reacting to in-channel talk about Carlos, clearly there is some bad feelings all the way around
<wolfspraul>
rjeffries: agreed. does the news item sound negative in any way?
<rjeffries>
IMO it is a waste of mental energy and perfectly good electrons to spend any time talking about Carlos here. He did what he did, he is pursuing a different Copyleft project, may 1,000 flowers bloom
<rjeffries>
clears throat
<rjeffries>
s/<abe/maybe
<rjeffries>
wolfspraul when you mention (in news) that Carlos asked "david" to leave project, it is not clear which David. <aybe a last name would be useful
<rjeffries>
wprak your uart card uses a small ar correct?
<rjeffries>
tuxbrain yes indeed Ben Nanonte may hit its stride as small cheap controller for a few things
<rjeffries>
I have thought that was a great idea for a long time
<rjeffries>
nods that could be a biggie
<rjeffries>
s/yse/use
<rjeffries>
what are some yse cases you see for UART card
<rjeffries>
tuxbrain you must be excited by the progress wprak is making on a VERY cool card
<rjeffries>
nods
<rjeffries>
wolfspraul assuse you saw data I provided on "Made in  ..." issue?
2011-01-31
<rjeffries>
steve|m I assume 4,50 Euros still cheap
<steve|m>
rjeffries: I have the launchpads from a german electronics seller for 4,50 each
<rjeffries>
steve|m did you garb some of those 430 Launchpad at the $4.30 price, incl. shipping in US?
<rjeffries>
s/garb/grab
<rjeffries>
steve|m  Google Chrome translate extension is my friend.
<rjeffries>
Better living through chemistry.TM Dupont
<rjeffries>
my brain is empty. van we all agree on that?
<rjeffries>
wprak that is the correct (smile) answer. yes yes and HELL yes
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: doing it all with bit-banging would be cute, but that's not quite what i'm looking for this time. what i'm after is a simple AVR that gets flashed from the ben. once i have that working, i can apply it to the new atusb.
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: there's an AVR that handles the UART. talks SPI to the ben.
<rjeffries>
better tha the expensive photo paper
<rjeffries>
steveM all I lnow is that over of Playboy or Maxim or similar girlie magazine us ESSENTIAL
<rjeffries>
tell you wife of gf you buy it for the articles and the cover ONLY
<rjeffries>
which chip is used yo do the 6 to 10 i/o muxing?
<rjeffries>
bit banging could support a fairly decent serial rate. maybe 56kbps or so??
<rjeffries>
by "just" I am NOT deprecating your effort, simply wondering
<rjeffries>
so are you adding a hardware UART on Blikinlights, or is this just bit banging with 3.3 volt levels? sorry to be so ignorant
<rjeffries>
I will need to downlaod kiCad. I did a while back then deleted it when I was not using it
<steve|m>
rjeffries: just open the schematic with KiCad
<rjeffries>
wprak: is there a PDF of schematic of UART 8:10? I clicked on that link but maybe I do not understand navigation, or no PDF yet. whatever
<rjeffries>
wprak: a little uarts board would be goodness on so many levels. That is the fast track into Arduio land and Jee Labs
<rjeffries>
once you design a complex chip, making a ton of them is pretty cheap
<rjeffries>
I have a buddy who uses a killer NXP Arm SOC taht costs maybe $5 in modest quantities
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: you really should learn to navigate digi-key. they're great.
<rjeffries>
wpwrak I will I promise
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: yeah, buy a few millions and you can negotiate almost any price :)
<rjeffries>
someone famous in semiconducter industry once said "all chips will be $5usd exc ept for those that cost less:
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: price always depends on quantity. also, you have to consider if this is a chip major distributors stock. if they don't, it's a risk. (e.g., you may find your project delayed by several months while waiting for new parts from the manufacturer)
<rjeffries>
$450USD
<rjeffries>
SMILES
<rjeffries>
sorry for caps
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: in digi-key we trust (also for pricing ;-)
<rjeffries>
more?
<rjeffries>
I have not mastered digikey i find it confusing. so it it $~10 usd or Less?
<rjeffries>
roh: do you know approx price for that chip
<rjeffries>
maybe if wolfspraul will share source for his bot, I can (with help from someone else) set up my own irc channel for other purposes entirely
<rjeffries>
steve|m: Thanks for this info re logs irclog2html.py 2.9.2 by Marius Gedminas
<steve|m>
rjeffries: Generated by irclog2html.py 2.9.2 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: i think that's part of this eggdrop thing
<rjeffries>
did he also write the program that formats the logs I would assume?
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: qi-bot is wolfgang's never sleeping eye that watches over us :)
<rjeffries>
so how are these COOL #qi-hardware logs created? I assume there is a bot that grabs stuff, then an offline program does some reformatting. I REALLY like the format
<rjeffries>
kristianpaul so you are what we call a hired gun. the only question would be, van you shoot straight? //smile
<rjeffries>
in many ways Twitter sorta kinda reinvented IRC, but for humans. but no "rrom" or channels so not good for this use case
<kristianpaul>
rjeffries: not university, industry neither :p, i'm just freelance for industry
<rjeffries>
thanks for the useful advice it has been MANY years since I used irc. But it's great in this application.perfect in fact
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: the <nick>Â Â form is usually associated with a message coming from that person. so it using it also when addressing someone can create confusion about whether you're quoting that person
<rjeffries>
I see so not use the <angle brackets>
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: btw, when addressing someone, it is more common to use the  nick:  form (or some similar, e.g., command or semicolon would look right, too)
<rjeffries>
<kristianpaul> are you at the university or in industry
<rjeffries>
cool beans
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: yeah. trying such things with customs is like wrestling with pigs. the pigs enjoy it and all you get is dirty.
<rjeffries>
oh cool. So that is why I see some lines in RED here also. I thought wprak and others were treating me as a VIP
<dvdkhlng>
larsc, rjeffries: thanks for the info.  takes time to getting used to irc :)  looks like irc-client on this side (rcirc.el) changes color of comment depending on whether my nick is mentioned.
<rjeffries>
s/tsi/this
<rjeffries>
wpwrak sometimes facts are facts. It's funny, I have no dog in thsi fight, but would rather not see wolf create hassle for his distributors or sharism at work
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: btw, thanks for the input on the "MADE IN". let's hope this helps to avoid unnecessary troubles.
<rjeffries>
<dvdkhlng> that time stamp happened because I double clicked your comment in the #qi-hardware irc channel. I use smuxi as my irc client. not great, but it works
<rjeffries>
but I worked form California for E
<rjeffries>
<kristianpaul> in an earlier life I visited Bogotá on business to deliver technical prentation for a Swedish company
<dvdkhlng>
offtopic question wrt IRC (trying to catch up, didn't use IRC before): comments sent by rjeffries to me "08:23 <dvdkhlng>...)" look like being send via /msg; however they appear in the irc log.  answered via "/msg rjeffries ..." but result didn't show in irclog.  something wrong on my side?
<rjeffries>
works for me. time differnces make irc logs invaluable.
<rjeffries>
LunaVorax I'd like to ask a couple of questions off irc my email is rjeffries@gmail.com pls email me
<rjeffries>
06:38 <LunaVorax> Ben Nanonote is indeed binary compatible with dingux.// I've wondered about that. Which model A320? Dignuz is cheap too, maybe $65USD or so?
<rjeffries>
you da ,man LunaVrax
<rjeffries>
s/Linus/Linux
<rjeffries>
One reason I was interested in SIE (nee SAKC) was I hoped ther could be a version which had AVR chip on board rather than FPGA
<rjeffries>
but for some time the idea of a full Linus controlling one or more Arduinos has seemed mildly interesting
<rjeffries>
I don;y *need* Ben to be terminal and master controller. culd simply use Arduino
<rjeffries>
kristianpaul: I do not *need* anything. Just want to play with digital and analog i/o for that matter
<rjeffries>
maybe use 8:10 to connect to Ben. (I think Tux did something with serial connection)
<rjeffries>
this Arduino clone may be reasonable choice if I want to interface Ben Nanonote to external pod for sensors.
<rjeffries>
what time zone is used for the time stamps in the #qi-hardware log?
2011-01-28
<rjeffries>
I understand now. your approach is what one would expect.