2011-01-28

<rjeffries> nothing to attenuate the rf that sprays out. ;)
<rjeffries> testing emi on a procuct that ships as a board seems like it would be a challenge
<rjeffries> from context I assume EMI results wer OK and provide some margin
<rjeffries> s/wer/were/
<rjeffries> How did MM do on ESD testing?
<rjeffries> nods
<rjeffries> I can't begin to explain the damage to custmer satisfaction and the cost in USD
<rjeffries> I was in support department and the cmpany got careless abd shipped a product that did not have protection against reversal
<rjeffries> semi unrealted I AGREE with you that next revision of MM should include protection against reverse polarity.
<rjeffries> so it was hard to fix but we did.
<rjeffries> in that product there were high currents, and someone culd reach inside and if male was wearing a wedding ring and his finger was even slightly damp from sweat would get a nasty potentially fatal jolt
<rjeffries> I once joined a company and took over a product where the team had neglected saftey.
<rjeffries> as a product manager, ne I alwasy focus on is saftey. that is the largest potential liability, and easy too avoid.
<rjeffries> Adafriot can say we don't care about the FCC but that does not remove their legal liability. If they ship a device that produces interference with other devices they can face substanntial fines
<rjeffries> agree with you pursuit of freedom, but not following the rules may cause real issues for your distributor. I do not understand the regualtion, so am gettingadvice. Trying to get it from two independent source. we shall see
<wolfspraul> rjeffries: very appreciated!
<rjeffries> wolf I have contacted a friend who can provide authoritative info regarding labels. His full time job is compliance
<rjeffries> reading #qi-hardware irc logs is fascinating! who wrote the prgarm that formats the logs? Nice looking, easy to scan.
<rjeffries> agrees with what <roh> said

2011-01-27

<rjeffries> s /w esee/we see/
<rjeffries> now w esee tux getting all excited abur 6LoWpan. He is one smart cookie
<rjeffries> back from lunch
<rjeffries> nods
<rjeffries> <zrafa> Agree, he is also a very good presenter IMO
<rjeffries> wrong channel Traceig sorry
<zrafa> rjeffries: he has a very clear english for me. Sometimes I have to do a big effort to understand.. no with this guy
<rjeffries> thank god he is not from Argintina. Becaus if we put him and wpwrak in the same town, watch out
<rjeffries> don't let chatting on irc come between you and your ice cream. you deserve it
<rjeffries> Sweden I think. he wrote the book on 6LoWpan
<wpwrak> rjeffries: so far, the fridge still maintained < 0 C through all those messes. that isolation lasts a good while. you'd be surprised.
<rjeffries> you ar eright marketplace is so fumm of cool new shit
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (kbd) no, i want a cpu that makes more i/os available. problem solved ;-) we're not in real-life communism, where you design your country to run on scarcity :)
<rjeffries> either there is a market for coplylefty very open of not
<rjeffries> with no AC your ice cream will melt in a heartbeat
<wpwrak> rjeffries: phew. yet another product line. besides, it has been tried by psion. not a great success. i think the tablets will eat you for breakfast if you try to compete there.
<rjeffries> I though the ectricity was out werner
<rjeffries> <wprak> have you conssidered designing in a keyboard controller to free precious GOIOs
<rjeffries> <wpwrak> I ythink formfactor larger than BEN but smaller than netbook that is copyleft and has right feature set could be ahit
<rjeffries> thinks Tux must be so skiny now, but soon, a world clss Sumo wrestler
<tuxbrain> rjeffries: I can become as big as market demands :)
<rjeffries> s/dbiiger/bigger
<rjeffries> s/pertable/portable
<rjeffries> Wolf would need to fine dbiiger suppliers and factores
<rjeffries> a small peratble device, van be larger than NN that supports 6LoWpan at attractive price (does NOt have to be $100 USD, maybe $200 USD) will sell like gangbusters
<rjeffries> who has watched that 6LoWpan video? That technology will be VERY widely used
<rjeffries> wpwrak my question was NOT assuming a board that fits inNN case
<rjeffries> when we get 6LoWpam this baby can go many news ways, some can generate high unit volumes
<rjeffries> nods and realizes he was WRONG
<wpwrak> rjeffries: as time goes by, the number of qualifiers increases ;-)
<wpwrak> rjeffries: no. it's not SRAM vs. DRAM. it's SDR SDRAM vs. DDR SDRAM ;-)
<rjeffries> can we get VGA resolution on a reasobly priced LCD
<rjeffries> xrafa I would think more programs running at same tiem, e.g.. conoile and itehr apps
<rjeffries> so here's thedeal with RAM the current SOC only talks to static RAM as werner has said it costs ,mor ethan DRAM
<rjeffries> wprak I'll let Orotermes defend that idea
<rjeffries> I agree 64MB is the wrong answer
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (usb hub) possible, but what for ?
<rjeffries> Wolf need not worry he will still sell a boatload of Ben
<rjeffries> the time for more RAM has arrived yes it is obvious
<rjeffries> thanks
<rjeffries> nods
<rjeffries> what is the IRC command to state an action. I thought it was /action
<zrafa> rjeffries: I am not an expert neither openwrt nor OE, that is why I do not understand why projects do that
<zrafa> rjeffries: but many projects use Openwrt and OE to build the rootfs (the thing you install for the first time) all the time, improving that all the time, building that all the time. I guess that they have a lot of idle cpu and want to use it a bit :P
<zrafa> rjeffries: I like both things to build repositories of software.. YOu build it once. If you like to improve you can add packages or improve the development system to support/improve new/current packages
<zrafa> rjeffries: I do not like how all the projects use OE and Openwrt to build rootfs again and again and again.. millons of times
<zrafa> rjeffries: and I already said it several times ...
<zrafa> rjeffries: I have my thoughts about.. OE is widely used because you can build a lot of software like distributions for PC, but for devices with few resources. Openwrt is a distribution for routers, and a lot of effort is being put on make openwrt useful for few specific devices, like nn.  OE is more general. On the other side
<rjeffries> brb
<rjeffries> wprak hypothetical question: starting with exiting Ben design, and ignoring case issues completely (in this context) how practiacl would it be to add a USB hub chip?
<rjeffries> (reducing complexity)
<rjeffries> I though OE has a bad reputation and was avoided by W+Qi Hardware for the reason of complexity
<zrafa> rjeffries: yes, many use OE :)
<rjeffries> hwt was that cool HP palmto that was wide\, clamsheel, faitrky good keybaord? talk about ahead of its time
<zrafa> rjeffries: so no.. jlime was living at the same time than openmoko.. and at that time we are not related with openmoko. And as tuxbrain_away says .. it is a loooot older
<rjeffries> s/iirr/iirc
<rjeffries> OpenMoko also used Openembedded iirr
<zrafa> rjeffries: if IIRC jlime is older than openmoko
<rjeffries> zrafa so Jlime is open embedded rather than OpenWRT. I;ll bet you are another OpenMoko refugee?
<zrafa> rjeffries: and we use OpenEmbedded. So the jlime distro for nn is very similar to our distros for HP Jornadas
<rjeffries> I have a perfectly working UNUSED for a long time Palm Tungsten C. what a sweet machine, way ahead of its time. now a relic
<zrafa> rjeffries: always lightweight applications (that is why we use ancient gtk1 software and no gtk2 which are slow on embedded)
<rjeffries> understood tucbrain. sounds reasnable
<zrafa> rjeffries: for nn. We did jlime for jornadas with X and gtk1, sdl, etc applications
<zrafa> rjeffries: jlime distro is mainly for HP Jornadas and HP Palmtops. For nn we wanted to use our experience on previous years making jlime for hp jornadas (similar ancient devices)
<rjeffries> <tuxbrain> comuter h/w and s/w is fairly simple stuff. PEOPLE are hard!
<rjeffries> <zrafa> is Jlime distro more focused on providing PIM funcyionality
<zrafa> rjeffries: but well, on nanonote side I did the userland yes
<zrafa> rjeffries: no problem, Mr JLime does not exist. Jlime exists ;) And if you want to know the real answer : Kristoffer Ericsson is the real Mr Jlime
<rjeffries> or limes I guess
<rjeffries> <zrafa> I apologize for not knowing who you are (yet) are you Mr JLime? if so, cool beans
<rjeffries> wprak who can tell me (off list if need be)
<zrafa> rjeffries: on the other side I tried to reply every mail carlos sent asking something on software side (I replied from jlime point of view), but he never gave feedback about if my answers were useful to him. I think that he wanted other people to reply his questions. Now I am angry because I replied him all his software questions and he did not say thanks..
<wpwrak> rjeffries: i'm saying that i don't think it was done (schematics and layout) with kicad. but i'm not an authoritative source on this.
<rjeffries> I will try Carlos again off list
<rjeffries> anyway I have consumed my allotment of electrons on that topic
<rjeffries> zafra I AGREE you are correct his questions on email fell on deaf ears
<rjeffries> wpwrak ar eyou saying that the 64MB qty 10 experimental Ben was NOT done using Kicad
<zrafa> rjeffries: previous facts are the real
<zrafa> rjeffries: crochete was something he maybe did not like (because a lot of answers to that crochete mail).. but that is not a real reason to leave
<rjeffries> taht would frustrate me as well
<rjeffries> so there you have it
<zrafa> rjeffries: he needed some help on kernel side of software side and nobody replied
<rjeffries> yes that had happend I think
<wpwrak> rjeffries: btw, i don't know if that design was really done with kicad. from what i've heard about the role of other projects, it would seem not.
<zrafa> rjeffries: he said he was tired to send mails people ignored completely, and that
<rjeffries> and qi-hardware is supposed to be an open community, one where wolf is a member and perhaps first among equals
<zrafa> rjeffries: nah.. the crochet thing was the last excuse like anyone would do if he wants to leave for previous reasons.. I think that wpwrak thougts could be the reasons. If you read Carlos last mails
<rjeffries> well this is wolf's sandbox. but sometimes people forget that Wolfgang is Sharisim a commercial company
<wpwrak> rjeffries: alas, no. never got to play with it so far.
<rjeffries> Carlos was a BIG help early on. He got Ben schematic into Kicad for example. <wprak? have you ever booted up your 64MB Ben with USB Hots made from Kidac design?
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (upset) oh, i agree with his sentiment. i also see plenty of things i don't think are important and where i believe energy could be channeled into more productive directions.
<rjeffries> you may be right but I do not think so. Carlos was really upset about the focus on something outside of hardware/softwar eengineer.
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (xue) i think only very loosely right now. as in "he's helped at some point in time and he knows andres" (last man standing, it seems, although virtually disappeared for about a month, too)
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (too harsh) maybe. it looked like this pattern of picking a fight only to find an excuse for breaking up to me, though.
<rjeffries> <roh> agree! anyway the other question is how closely affiliated iwth Carlos is the othe project with a camera I forget the meaningless (to me) acronymn
<roh> rjeffries: i think one needs to differenciate marketing stuff from the technical side
<rjeffries> wprak I don't think so. that sounds a little harsh to me.
<rjeffries> we can and must get past that because Carlos and his students are a great resource
<rjeffries> I can sympathise with both sides. but that difference of opinion is (I think) root cause.
<rjeffries> <roh> human nature. he disliked the fuss Wolf made about those crocheted (knitted?) Nanonote cases
<rjeffries> biab
<rjeffries> I miss him, and really like his SIE (nee SAKC) device a lot
<rjeffries> how can we get Carlos back in the club?
<rjeffries> new topic
<rjeffries> I assume it is those Russian genes??
<rjeffries> heh my wife comes from german  Russian stock  she does smile,
<rjeffries> wpwrak I am so totally joking
<wpwrak> rjeffries: of course, they're privatized, so ...
<wpwrak> rjeffries: i guess a secretary of state to EDESUR (the company - occasionally - supplying electricity to my area) might be useful
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (humourless germanics) an interesting statement considering the immigration pattern of the US, let alone more distant common ancestors ;-)
<rjeffries> wpwrak maybe we need to send our Secretary of state to Argintina to look into the disaster of no electricity. This is affecting your productivity and slowing down mission critical engineering of atBen and atUSB.
<rjeffries> s/kaugh/laugh (silly typo)
<rjeffries> wprak maybe that is my problem. I am totally BSing you but there is SCIENTIFIC evidence that those of Germanic heritage (including AUSTRIAN ;) kaugh less smile less and in general are NOT AMERCANs. That's the real probelm. They are not Yanks.
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (never seen a german smile) i guess you don't drink beer then ;-)
<tuxbrain_away> rjeffries: Me and wolfie have put MONEY in this copyleft thing.... I can asure both have TONS of sense of humor :P
<rjeffries> s/band/ban
<rjeffries> STEREOTYPE  so don't band me yet pls. well, if I deserve to be banned, that is ok. must accept my medicine
<rjeffries> Yes, I have German friends and have visted that greta country several times. Not sure I  ever saw a German smile. ;)
<rjeffries> let's hope Wolfgang has a sense of humor. But since I think he may be German, "sense of humor" may not be the first thing that comes to mind.
<rjeffries> LOL
<rjeffries> Having said that I still plan to build something for 8:10 just as (this is for The Wolf) PROOF OF CONCEPT
<rjeffries> in USA I think this price is low. <Ornotermes> Sparkfun have a MicroSD Sniffer that can be used as a break out board: http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9419
<DocScrutinizer> I have to agree with rjeffries though - I also have no f'ng clue why he spends time here :-P
<rjeffries> is memory management required? No. Do we want CPU w/omemory managment in 2012? prolly not
<rjeffries> and on MM without memory management, one User app can easily crash other apps or the system
<rjeffries> s/SC future/SOC future
<rjeffries> it is damned good. they guy knows his stuff. there is far more going on than I dreamed
<rjeffries> SORRY about caps lock
<rjeffries> I watched the EXCELLNT 6LoWpan video and am convince that a small reaLITIVE LOW COST DEVICE WITH 6lOePAN CAN BE A REAL SELLER
<rjeffries> very ambitious, but eventually diable.
<rjeffries> on a differnet topic I can understand your frustration with Ingenic, and desire to control your SC future
<rjeffries> My point was that IMO until 6LoWpan is integrated into a ??future?? device it will have limited appeal. that is all
<rjeffries> wolf no problem. let's agree that you find "proof of conept" to lack meaning. cool, and in fact atben IS going to be maore. it will become a product and be sold. No argument. so that was my mistake
<wolfspraul> rjeffries: I apologize if I offended you. I am seriously personally interested in this clarify of language thing... maybe suffering from being misunderstood as a non-native speaker.

2011-01-26

<rjeffries> whatever
<wolfspraul> rjeffries: I gave you feedback on usage of 'proof of concept'
<rjeffries> I have not idea why I invest any time here at all.
<rjeffries> you guys are pissed because I never bought a Nanonte
<rjeffries> BFD. My friend has one, I can borrow if when I need it,
<rjeffries> wolf: do you assume my IQ is below 100? of course if I pursue it it will be a bitvh
<rjeffries> right proving that Ben can be used with my ugly IR dongle to control the TC/Sattilite will not prove that it works. yup, totally meaningless
<rjeffries> my odds of sucess are low
<rjeffries> i have no dream to sell anything
<rjeffries> <kristuanpaul> is you goal to make me go awy: juest say so, and consider it done
<rjeffries> jesus I simply decided what he hell maybe I'll try to build a PCB from scratch for the  pure hell of it
<rjeffries> I did NOt yet taje a VOW TO YOUR cHURCH OF cOPYLEFT, BUT (sorr 4 caps)
<rjeffries> wolf I am ready to say something rude but I will bit my tounge. I sepnt quite some time a few days ago with werner and a guy from Gewrmany figuring out
<rjeffries> how I might be able to design a PROOF OF CONCET 8:10 baord with IR on it for remote contril
<rjeffries> s/ideio/idiot (but "ideio" does have a nice ring to it)
<rjeffries> wolf please don't treat me like an ideio. I know that. I think it is peachy you are doing this atben. But it is a baby step to and integated solution. dob't kid yourself.
<rjeffries> and besides, atBen (which I am EXCITED about) will probab;ly NOT stay firmly attached to the damn 8:10 slot. There's this concept called the laws of physics. <smile>
<rjeffries> O I do not have a bluetooth dongle
<rjeffries> wolf I hope you are just pulling my chain.
<rjeffries> My point is, without 6LoWpan INSIDE Nanonote, it is main;y a curiosity for a TINY band of dedicated fans. NOt to a wider audience
<kristianpaul> rjeffries: do you own a blutooth dongle?
<rjeffries> that is not relevant. we live in her and now this is not 1995
<rjeffries> wolf it is not. it is a widely used term that many people understan
<rjeffries> <smile> I am POSITIVE you are a great person, we simple disagree
<rjeffries> jesus guys, this is 2011, I just checked my calender. people expect better
<rjeffries> <kristianpaul> we are talking past one another. I am saying TO ME it gets msuch more interesting when atBEN is integrated inside the Nanonote
<rjeffries> <kristianpaul> that is mot a critique, it is a statement of reality. it is brilliant work, but until it is inside the case it is a way to get Nanponote connevcted, but is not what one dreams of
<rjeffries> "inside" means a new PCB that incorporates RF chip and crystal and antenna
<kristianpaul> rjeffries: define inside
<rjeffries> it's very clever and will sell to some percentage of Ben owners
<rjeffries> <kristianpaul> not ecxactly what I meant. 6LoWpan needs to be INSIDE Nanonote to appeal to a larger market
<rjeffries> It DOES prove out the rf circuitry and assocuated low-level code, and it gets the community going with 6LoWPAN protocol
<rjeffries> hi wolf. what I meant is that an L-shaped dongle off the sid eof Nanonote which (we shall see) may be knocked loose ocassinally is not what a larger potential target market would desire.
<wolfspraul> rjeffries: ben-wpan is not proof-of-concept

2011-01-25

<rjeffries> re: <wolfspraul> what's your point about those companies? [Adafruit etc] simply that they selll low cost open hardware and seem to be doing OK.
<rjeffries> later all
<rjeffries> I assume margins in copyleft hardware will be razor thin with modest volume.
<rjeffries> Adafruit has their own pick and place for example (not sure that makese sense, but they do)
<rjeffries> there is an existence proof sorta kinda: Adafruit, Sparkfun, Seed Studio
<rjeffries> at least I think I do
<rjeffries> oh I understand thos issues reanably well
<rjeffries> the guy who is behind Ubuntu is an interesting case
<rjeffries> I don't have any idea how one would pitch this to investors
<rjeffries> you almost need to find a guy who shares your passion
<wolfspraul> rjeffries: we need investors to take copyleft hardware to the next level fast and aggressively
<rjeffries> hello wolf
<rjeffries> good evening 22"26 in my time zone

2011-01-23

<rjeffries> ok. what's the a[[licayion or is this a secret that may earn you a gazillion Euros
<rjeffries> kristianpaul what is your use case (curiosity only)
<rjeffries> But first I need to convince him to man up and update to latest image
<rjeffries> after I build one, borrow my friend's unused Nannote for a while
<rjeffries> then with a loy of study and possinly a little help from Samrt People get the schematic done and reviewed
<rjeffries> I have to learn how to make my own PCB (the 8:10 to breakout cable)
<rjeffries> back to my project to make an IR dongle for Nanonote. Wolf, no, at this stage I do not yet need a Nanonote
<rjeffries> one last comment befor I apply duct tape to my lips: there is a difference between one bug you know of and all the ones nobody has found yet. I am DELIGHTED that the VJ app works, cool beans. I thought somebody had an issue with large enet frames.
<rjeffries> s/FRGAcode/FPGA code/ next topic . <g>
<rjeffries> hi wolf. it is none of my beeswax as they used to say. it is a highly complex bundle of FRGAcode so I'd be totally amazed if there are not plenty of teething problems
<wolfspraul> rjeffries: it's not too rough
<rjeffries> MM is not relly on my radar yet. was just curious is all.
<rjeffries> s/stad/stand/
<rjeffries> I stad corrected
<kristianpaul> rjeffries: for softcore Milkymist questions i think proper place is #milkymist
<rjeffries> are any users using MM for VJ gigs or is it a little too rough aroung the edges for now (understandable)
<rjeffries> i see
<kristianpaul> rjeffries: no no, just other batch of Milkymist One boards i guess :-)
<rjeffries> does this mean a new softcpu is planned for MM? <kristianpaul> oh, MM1 RC/RUN 3 on the way...
<rjeffries> *I* am goofy
<rjeffries> damn s/goof/good/
<rjeffries> that's A Goof Idea
<rjeffries> unferstood
<wpwrak> rjeffries: but git helps. local browsing is always nicer than webbish interfaces
<rjeffries> so I wiull admit I do not have git installed so I think I can not read your source is that correct
<wpwrak> rjeffries: in the future, it may be convenient to combine some such commands into a single operation, though. but it would still be at the same level of abstraction.
<rjeffries> MISO; SOMI: Master Input, Slave Output (output from slave);
<rjeffries> MOSI; SIMO: Master Output, Slave Input (output from master);
<rjeffries> SCLK: Serial Clock (output from master);
<wpwrak> rjeffries: the transceiver has a few access commands: mainly registers and frame. i just map them to USB control transfers.
<rjeffries> s/radu/radio/
<rjeffries> spi is on the radu chip correct
<rjeffries> s/byes/bytes
<rjeffries> ok fine. can it ship byes to radio to be transmitted and read the stream that comes in
<wpwrak> rjeffries: i.e., the atusb firmware wouldn't know how to send or receive a packet
<wpwrak> rjeffries: the idea for atusb is to just pass the basic accesses to the chip. maybe combine some low-level functions where convenient. nothing more. the bulk of the stack would be on the host.
<rjeffries> wprak what does the software for atusb look like? (before you add the 6LoWpan layers? just simple stream of bytes
<rjeffries> 12:30 <Ornotermes> a small breakoutbord for uSD-card holder is all that's needed, no point in build another version of the board really
<rjeffries> 12:28 <wpwrak> Ornotermes: indeed :)
<rjeffries> this.. 12:26 <Ornotermes> wpwrak: could be interesting to build small gadgets that could interact with ben/pc wireless
<rjeffries> good idea
<rjeffries> idea for wolfgang & xiangfu: offer a service for $$ so a person can order Nanonote flashed to current image.
<rjeffries> whoops wrong currency I assumed Yuan oh well

2011-01-22

<wpwrak> rjeffries: and if all else fails, you could also generate the ~38 kHz carrier also with software. less efficient, but it'll work.
<rjeffries> wprak thx for clock info. you are NOT using theclick from BEN on atben correct? (you had to add  xtal?)
<wpwrak> rjeffries: you can program the clock dividers. you can probably set it within a wide range, particularly if you're not afraid of changing the system's main clock :)
<roh> rjeffries: msp430 community is strong but small i think
<rjeffries> steve where are you located
<rjeffries> steve|m yes, that MSP430 Launchpad kit is very nice. TI must be subsiding it $10 or $15 a pop, just to capture new designs. Great for the hobby crowd
<steve|m> rjeffries: well, I got 2 launchpads some weeks back and definitely will do something with them.. I want to build a ultra low-power epaper clock with a MSP430 and the display of a motorola F3
<rjeffries> wpwrak waht frequency is the clock that come out the 8:10 connector
<rjeffries> steve|m so you do some MSP430 hacking? their Launchpad for $4.30 was irresistable for me. n=3
<rjeffries> thanks. how did you read my mind? that is spooky
<rjeffries> ah
<rjeffries> s/brakout/breakout/
<rjeffries> are you the one who made the brakout board for th 8:10 slot?
<rjeffries> not a biggie just getting 30K foot overview
<rjeffries> thanks wpwrak found and have skimmed master/TODO
<rjeffries> dumb question: where would I find PDF of say schematic for atben?
<rjeffries> I did look at wernermisc
<rjeffries> thanks
<rjeffries> where does one find your stuff? http://projects.qi-hardware does not seem to have entry for atben
<rjeffries> does Ben have enough power to spare?
<rjeffries> thanks for that
<rjeffries> s/randow/random
<rjeffries> Ben could be hacked to serve as a very nice smart remote. Those things are pricey, some well more than price of Ben.
<rjeffries> should we ever design Ya Nanonote and can make at least small mods to case, having IR LEDS for remote control (and other) uses would mean
<rjeffries> not sure I will check that
<rjeffries> it is however receive only
<rjeffries> not sure if BEN can also supply enough power however
<rjeffries> with such a chip, Ben read  and writes a serial data stream to the remoote control dongle
<rjeffries> there are chips that decode RC5/RC6 I am guessing that this would be sorta ugly but that's OK
<rjeffries> what would be the technical challenge to a card that plug into 8:10 (gag) slot on Ben, that has send and recieve LEDs to control a TV etc?
<rjeffries> anyhow
<rjeffries> your priorites (eating over hacking) sure are screwed up. <g>
<rjeffries> werner are you here?

2011-01-21

<rjeffries> wpwrak said "tx and rx happen in pairs" Agree, they are supposed to happen in pairs, but in a range challenged situation or noise rf environment one could easilly transmit but not get anything bacl. That is interesting. ;)
<wpwrak> rjeffries: naw, doesn't really make sense. if you really want an activity led, it's already there. tx and rx happen in pairs anyway, and you won't be able to see a difference of a few milliseconds.
<rjeffries> wprak understood re atben. hope you will consider enhancing atUSB slightly. ;)
<wpwrak> rjeffries: there are no i/o lines available for this on atben. also, the board is rather crowded as it is. i'm fighting for every tenth of a millimeter there :)
<rjeffries> wpeak understood. on atusb I like the boot state led, good stuff. adding led(s) so transmission and recive are indicated would be awesome, cost impact is small, usefulness is high IMO
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (boot state) when the mcu resets, it listens for about 1 s on USB for anyone trying to speak DFU to it. after that, it jumps to the application. while listening for DFU, the LED is on.
<wpwrak> rjeffries: naw. no i/o on atben. atusb at least gets a led, but just unicolor. it's currently only used for indicating boot state.
<rjeffries> wprak have you considered adding a multicolor LED so atben and atusb indicate receive/transmit?
<rjeffries> wpwrak I'll put a smaple issue or two up. Heh, this experiment JUST STARTED this week. taking baby steps
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (look and see) also quite empty :)
<rjeffries> s/lust/just/  (funny typo I guess)
<rjeffries> s/tintletter.com/tinyletter.com
<rjeffries> roh: for notebooks and POCs we need standard size usb-A.
<rjeffries> s/POCs/PCs
<rjeffries> <roh> Please explain this comment: i like the idea of atusb having a mini-usb-b socket instead of a usb-A plug directly
<rjeffries> wpwrak: for now as a stopgap, there is this (no signup, lust look and see): https://ronkjeffries.posterous.com/experimental-newsletter-from-ron-k-jeffries
<rjeffries> wpwrak: that is a fait criticism. Tintletter.com is a new service, run by a one man band. I have already requested a way to allow now subscribers to peek.
<rjeffries> werner said: <wpwrak> rjeffries: (gather addresses) that mailing list thing. no archive, so the only way to find out what's there is by subscribing. nice how people learn from facebook :)
<wpwrak> rjeffries: (gather addresses) that mailing list thing. no archive, so the only way to find out what's there is by subscribing. nice how people learn from facebook :)
<rjeffries> <wpwrak> nice way to gather e-mail addresses ;-) //what are you referring to?