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<IgorPec>
i stop ordering stuff two weeks ago, got tracking # but its not getting anywhere ... except via delivery services like DHL
<stipa>
oh man
<IgorPec>
also amazon is slow those days
<pakcjo>
by the way, question, when it comes to gpu support, which one has the best between Rock PI 4 Model C and the Nano PI M4B?
<stipa>
first lockdown was a mess with mail
<stipa>
pakcjo: if it run movies, has sound, and doesn't crash its ok i guess
<IgorPec>
they use identical chip, so
<IgorPec>
chose by other properties
<pakcjo>
hmm Rock Pi has a Mali T860MP4 and the nano a Mali T864...
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<IgorPec>
that would be wrong documentation.
<pakcjo>
I don't know, I just want to use an ARM pc as my main desktop... Bought the vim3 to get started but not sure if that was a good option
<IgorPec>
he is using M4 as a desktop for daily work
<pakcjo>
yes, I have seen all NicoD videos :)
<stipa>
4K video, nice
<pakcjo>
and makes me wonder by not the rock pi, the thing I like of the rock pi is that it seems to support dual display, I do have two monitors in my current setup
<IgorPec>
"supports"
<pakcjo>
s/by/why/
<ArmbianHelper>
pakcjo meant to say: and makes me wonder why not the rock pi, the thing I like of the rock pi is that it seems to support dual display, I do have two monitors in my current setup
<IgorPec>
not sure if it works, but in theory yes
<pakcjo>
I should probably wait for the VIM3 and see how it goes
<stipa>
rpi4 with 8GB ram is 10$ ceaper...
<IgorPec>
vim3 should be faster
<IgorPec>
and memory on those boards is quite slow, so it doesn't mean much advantage
<stipa>
rpi4 has dual hdmi
<IgorPec>
apparently vim3 as well
<stipa>
oh
<IgorPec>
aha, MIPI display , not the same, but well
<stipa>
hmmmm
<pakcjo>
stipa: yes, that's my other option...
<stipa>
there are some mipi to hdmi adapters
<IgorPec>
in theory you could add another display via USB-C where implemented
<pakcjo>
oh, mipi to hdmi? hmmm
<IgorPec>
so you actualy could have 3
<pakcjo>
hmm I plan to use an ssd, so that'd probably kill the usb3
<stipa>
yeah, there are some on goolge images serach
<IgorPec>
not really a fan of ssd over usb3
<IgorPec>
but hard to get it all at once
<pakcjo>
yeah
<IgorPec>
dual to tripple display, USB PD, 4 line pci NvME, 8Gb memory ...
<pakcjo>
shutup and take my money :D
<IgorPec>
yeah, not there :(
<lanefu>
pakcjo: its still early days for a good desktop experience... so be mindful its not going to all work
<pakcjo>
yes I know
<stipa>
die waiting
<archetech>
lanefu, crackin me up
<pakcjo>
most of my work is done in a laptop (property of the company that I work for) so as long as I have a good youtube and spotify experience I'd probably be happy
<archetech>
first board that gets here I pay for ! the rest well im not home
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<pakcjo>
can't wait for the RK3588
<pakcjo>
finding a mipi to hdmi adapter doesn't seem to be an easy task :/
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<pakcjo>
I only see hdmi to mipi
<archetech>
yeah I say no more boards after N2+ its great then I see whats in the pipeline
<archetech>
when an mITX arm 16 core comes out for $149 il buy ;)
<archetech>
oooh mac mini M1 $600
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<Tonymac32>
with properly functioning Type-C DP RK3399 supports a 4K and a (I believe) 2K display at the same time
<Tonymac32>
I have to pull down the code to test the latest drivers on mainline to see if the FUS302 is fixed for real
<Tonymac32>
fusb302
<Tonymac32>
the arbiter of truth in USB-C implementations on pretty much every SBC I can think of
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<Werner>
Good morning
<Tonymac32>
good morning
<Tonymac32>
a bit early maybe?
<Werner>
Maybe
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
good morning
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
10AM here
<Tonymac32>
almost a new day here
<Tonymac32>
playing with Home Assisstant tonight
<Tonymac32>
and not spelling very well
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
how can i install supertuxkart on armbian for orange pi 3
<Werner>
apt doesnt work?
<Tonymac32>
on my Rockchip devices (RK3399 and 3288) it worked very well out of the box, so it should work for OPi 3
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<Werner "apt doesnt work?"> let me try it. what is the package name?
<Tonymac32>
supertuxcart IIRC
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
found an older version
<Werner>
depending on flavor package versions might differ
<Werner>
However that is not Armbian-related since those packages are upstream
<Tonymac32>
HomeAssistant gives wayyy too much info XD
<Werner>
Why? Saw neighbours webcam? :P
<Tonymac32>
haha no, but it's telling me how much belt life I still have in my laser printer, and toner and drum lifespans, etc
<Werner>
haha
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
game window launched but crashed at game start. throwing a lot of shader related error.
<Werner>
kprasadvnsi[m], I tried supertuxcart a few month ago on my OPi1+ which is Allwinner H6 too but the performance was quite poor but worked.
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
looks like fragment shader unable to compile
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
any other game i can try?
<Werner>
good question. You should ask NicoD questions about gaming on arm. He knows all the stuff :P
<Tonymac32>
true. Unfortunately I just try it occasionally to see how it's progressing, but it looks like something has broken recently
<Tonymac32>
at least assuming it isn't a special allwinner problem. ;)
<Tonymac32>
kprasadvnsi[m] is there anything useful in that chameleon board github? I haven't looked yet, but saw I got tagged in the tweet
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Haven't looked it either. I will try the new code and tutorial
<Tonymac32>
yeah, I was never clear on whether linux could be built without Quartus or not
* Tonymac32
is putting in a ticket to TP-Link for closing the external control port on all of their smart plugs
<Tonymac32>
apparently my devices will be "updated" to a beta firmware that undoes their "security" update
<ArmbianTwitter>
@DieZuckerbude (Ben Zucker 🍰): I am pretty happy with it. @armbian @StationGeeker #stationP1 @arcticicestudio https://t.co/4pAWwHgoDY (10s ago)
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
It's the similar story xilinx ZYNQ but with quartus it's much worse. Linux can be built without Quartus. It's the u-boot SPL that need to be built with proper DRAM init values from the Quartus.
<Tonymac32>
Hmmmm, if I do that and post the Quartus project, I can use a blob in my build system, yes? Licensing hell awaits, I can feel it
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
In case of Chameleon96 the vendor BSP has the wrong DRAM timing data that breaks everything.
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
So far the the DRAM timing data recovered from the the datasheet.
* Tonymac32
Called TP-Link smart plugs a commodity item, pulls out Sonoff that can be hacked freely
<Tonymac32>
and Holy shit I didn't know novtech was owned by SinoVoip
<Tonymac32>
XD
<Tonymac32>
ok ok, that's a bit mean
<Tonymac32>
<kprasadvnsi[m]> In case of Chameleon96 the vendor BSP has the wrong DRAM timing data that breaks everything.
<Tonymac32>
^ in reference to this insanity
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Well, Altera guy are not far behind. Their tool suck.
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
* Well, Altera guys are not far behind. Their tool suck.
<Tonymac32>
At least when I fought DRAM on the Renegade it's because we patched in a DMC driver for mainline and mainline doesn't have the specific values for any board, let alone one divergent from the reference design
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<Tonymac32>
lol Mosquitto broker listing on Home Assistant says it works with "armhf" and "armv7". Maybe they meant armel for the RPi users...
<Xogium>
well this is seriously fscked up… I managed to reproduce the same overheat with a different usb cable, and different board
<Xogium>
I created an image that can overheat any orange pi zero
<Xogium>
I didn't let it run that long this time
<Xogium>
I think what happens is that the board goes in u-boot, u-boot searches for its boot.scr at the wrong place in a loop somehow, doesn't find it, then gets reset over and over by the hardware watchdog, and over time this generates heat, and it has nowhere to go as IgorPec mentioned
<Xogium>
only theory at this point but heh
<Xogium>
so like, an enormous buildup of heat
<Xogium>
I think if it was outside of the case it would cool down better, at least a bit. Not sure if it'd make any difference
<Xogium>
cause my friend checked the melted plastic on the first pi and it seemed to start near to where you insert the sd card
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
The SuperTuxKart run on GLES 2 but crashed on GLES 3
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Most likely it's due to Panfrost not having complete GLES 3 support yet.
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
According to Collabora blog. The SuperTuxKart should work in GLES 3 mode
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Not sure what I am missing
<Xogium>
but my friend also checked the schematic, and he saw that on the h3, the SoC controls everything related to power. It has no separate power regulator
<Xogium>
so what he thinks happened is that rebooting in a loop caused the board to source a lot of current, and generated a lot of heat, which had nowhere to go… and ended up using the sd card as a heatsink
<Xogium>
and at some point since dissipating heat to the sd card was not enough, it turned the whole board into a giant heatsink
<Xogium>
which could really have started a fire if left running
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Disabling Advance pipelines in the game progress me further but now the whole system freezes
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
It looks like using GLES3 is problematic
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
H616 TV box arrived. Boot with OrangePi Zero2 image
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
USB 1, WiFi and Ethernet is not working
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
It can see only 2GB memory
<IgorPec>
great! well, that's kind of expected
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
It has a button for FEL mode
<IgorPec>
ethernet is gigabit?
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Didn't checked yet. Let me confirm
<ArmbianTwitter>
@A13_technology (∆13🏳️🌈): @kprasadvnsi Then you could add it to the @armbian build system 😄. Would also valuable for the future as Retro Orange Pi is based on Armbian as well. (5s ago)
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<kprasadvnsi[m]>
<IgorPec "ethernet is gigabit?"> Could not find any transceiver populated. So it's native 10/100 Mbps. Although there is unpopulated chip that looks like a RTL 8211L based on the parts around it.
<lanefu>
yeah its true.. 100mbit is plenty even for 4k
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
i would not ask more with a $34 TV box
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@Poddingue (Bruno Verachten 🍰): @A13_technology @kprasadvnsi @armbian Which tvbox is this ? I also have one of the first ones that featured a H616. (30s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@kprasadvnsi (Kali Prasad): @Poddingue @A13_technology @armbian it's an H96 MAX 6K Ultra HD. https://t.co/IPXUcKq7UC (27s ago)
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<pakcjo>
I don't quite get the tvbox stuff... I just have a fire stick
<pakcjo>
Maybe I'm missing out a lot of things :/
<lanefu>
yeah like TV shit is a hardcore hoby for some people
<lanefu>
but i'm same boat.. i have a roku and it works
<lanefu>
and plex is as self-hosted as i get
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
It's a cheap device produced in large quantities and widely available. IMHO it's a very good value for money if you don't wanna use gpio
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<IgorPec>
problem is maintaining support for those cheap devices
<IgorPec>
its already hard and expensive when you have schematics, good components and sometimes even vendor support. Here you have none and it works until it works ...
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Yah, it's already hard to get maintainer for existing dev boards.
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
I am trying these TV boxes as a side project.
<[TheBug]>
Good Afternoon
<lanefu>
hey bug
<IgorPec>
bug!
<stipa>
too bad there are so many TV boxes lying around useless on the internet
<stipa>
it's like internet garbage
<stipa>
it would be awesome if someone could hack those
<stipa>
and turn them into awesome shell boxes
<stipa>
ready to serve
<archetech>
like a sausage
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* stipa
¯\_㋡_/¯
<IgorPec>
now this is hitting with the root problems of our society :=)
<IgorPec>
what a BS is this "CM4 wifi performance"
<stipa>
¯\_㋡_/¯
<lanefu>
oh yeah jeff geerling makes a lot of rpi4 noise.. and made 10000 ansible roles way back that people use as examples, but he didnt maintain them.. and so now they're causing headaches for ansible dev team lol
<stipa>
yeah, he do look like a guy who likes to earn fast bucks and be gone
<stipa>
it's enough to make his wife happy
<lanefu>
haha
<lanefu>
well he's a very productive person to say the least
<stipa>
i would say that he likes to boast
<stipa>
but his videos aren't totally useless, that's true
<stipa>
they'll help many
<[TheBug]>
haha
<IgorPec>
not toally useless but also not much of a value. "popular computing" stuff
<[TheBug]>
well those are for sure click bait...
<IgorPec>
pi related with some big numbers = sale
<[TheBug]>
and its also nice that cm4 is in limited production and no one else can get it easily atm -- thats the part that gives him the edge I think
<stipa>
yeah, i just can't pass by his YT viode headlines
<stipa>
video*
<IgorPec>
its commercial product
<IgorPec>
so its on the level where it should be
<IgorPec>
not bad from that perspective
<stipa>
IgorPec: yeahm he's using Rpi popularity
<stipa>
he's riding the wave
<IgorPec>
yeah
<IgorPec>
like many out there
<stipa>
sure
<lanefu>
yeah he's there to exite the day dreamers into making their own pile of parts for projects they never finish
* lanefu
waves at pile of parts
<[TheBug]>
well to be fair it is an interesting topic re: pcie on RPi4 and I admit I found my self watching the first one or two my self to know what performance was
<IgorPec>
but its pretty expected
<IgorPec>
you plug fast wifi in the pci and it must work
<[TheBug]>
right
<[TheBug]>
that one I was like, cmon.. now your being silly
<[TheBug]>
he did one on 4 port gigabit adapter in it
<IgorPec>
and exactly the same it works in the pc
<[TheBug]>
and said you can hit just about 3.5x Gbps
<[TheBug]>
so as soon as you know that
<IgorPec>
well, but attaching 10GB and doing NAS over this 1x PCI is a bit lame
<[TheBug]>
you can estimate performance of any other device
<[TheBug]>
well and your sharing CPU time like anything else
<[TheBug]>
so there is a cost to what you put there
<[TheBug]>
as I think he did state as well
<[TheBug]>
soyou may be able to pull off a 2.5Gbit nic though with USB 3.0 attached SSD and maybe get towards 200M/sec throughput in theory, but there are also other platforms that could be true for as well
<[TheBug]>
I don't see why you couldn't do that with RockPi 4c
<[TheBug]>
and you can actually obtain that sbc
<stipa>
some people don't like the hassle and go rpi route since it's s o popular and information how to do something is widely available
<stipa>
i went opi because it was cheaper
<stipa>
and had all i imagined i would need
<stipa>
sometimes it's better to go with popular stuff beacuse of the better support
<stipa>
people feel safe with popoular stuff
<[TheBug]>
yeah, well thats how Apple makes its Trillions... ;)
<[TheBug]>
sheeple
<archetech>
true
<stipa>
right, that's the principle
<archetech>
creating a multi-product ecosystem was steve jobs idea and it was done masterfully
<archetech>
nuttin wrong with it if ya can pull it off
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Does RPi still use that SoC in which GPU boot the CPU? 😆
<[TheBug]>
ofc
<lanefu>
yep
<archetech>
thats odd never heard of that
<lanefu>
tis true
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<IgorPec>
rpi is video player by design
<kprasadvnsi[m]>
Yah, bought a rpi3 few years ago. Donate that board to a friend and never look this RPi crap since then.
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@OPi_Community (Orange-Pi-Community): @arraiz0xF Yes android 6 is preinstalled on the emmc. If you boot Armbian from SD Card you can use the Armbian utilities to install the system to emmc and then boot from that. (4s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@useidel (Udo Seidel): Summary of my pre-#Xmas #nightlife: #mongodb #cluster on #armv7 #linux servers running #armbian with #ucarp using #systemd style setup (22s ago)
<pakcjo>
but that 8GB rpi4 doesn't look that bad...
<stipa>
dual monitor and 8gb is nice
<stipa>
some serous work could be done with it
<stipa>
serious*
<stipa>
but anything serious means heat
<pakcjo>
that said, i saw a video on youtube about it, lagging and dropping frames while watching a 1080p youtube video :( so not sure
<stipa>
someone said guys sucsedded to play 4k video on rpi4
<stipa>
that was more than a month ago i guess
<stipa>
i guess those are devs doing it
<pakcjo>
maybe
<stipa>
so maybe it's not in public yet
<pakcjo>
I'd probably end up getting one... that deskpi pro case looks nice
<stipa>
why not
<stipa>
too bad the soc isn't at the other side of the board
<stipa>
that way the cas could be the heatsing
<stipa>
but, what can you do
<stipa>
cooling system of the rpi4 is not something to write home about
<pakcjo>
wonder how it would compare with the ROCK PI 4 Model C, that supports dual display as well afaik
<pakcjo>
not sure which one I should get first... the rockpi4c or the rpi 8gb
<stipa>
yeah, it's hard choice to make
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@raspberrytorpes (raspberryparatorpes): @kprasadvnsi @Poddingue @A13_technology @armbian Thanks. I prefer the layout and port distribution from TV box over the main part of embedded boards. Is a pity that TV box are not a reliable platform changing internal hardware from one unit to another. (29s ago)