#bitcoin-wizards on 2018-09-22 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2015-10-30 00:53 sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja

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01:13 <nsh> fwiw, his last paper(s) on no complex six sphere makes sense as a sketch, but that doesn't mean all the bits can be made explicit

01:14 <nsh> and his result for the RH is just the consequence of following this program proposed by Yau for which his almost complex structure on six-sphere is a necessary step: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~greene/Summary%20of%20Yau%201.pdf

01:15 <nsh> pardon me, that's a program for the complex structure, it doesn't extend to RH

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12:01 * adlai thanks nsh for that bite-sized explanation of Shor's algorithm

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18:08 <esotericnonsense> re claims a few hours back about PoS and 'maximum delay'

18:08 <esotericnonsense> and synchronicity of the network

18:08 <esotericnonsense> it's happened before and probably will happen again, but the recent issue seems pretty relevant on that point

18:09 <sipa> esotericnonsense!

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18:09 <esotericnonsense> how the design functions during offline periods is quite relevant, if you had the network (or half of it, or 75% of it, or whatever) offline for 2 hours in Bitcoin it would barely matter

18:10 <esotericnonsense> aside from difficulty weirdness you don't even need a clock

18:10 <esotericnonsense> sipa: hello!

18:10 <esotericnonsense> (I am just here for a few seconds and heading out.. somehow happened to have this channel open :P)

18:10 <esotericnonsense> hope you are well

18:12 <sipa> o/

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18:54 <stefanwouldgo> yeah, esotericnonsense, that's a good point. also, this seems an interesting negative result: https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1043552710086340609

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21:22 <waxwing> i have a suspicion that this isn't new (did i see a talk about it a year or so ago?) but it might be relevant to above discussion: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1809.06528.pdf

21:23 <waxwing> "Formal Barriers to Longest-Chain Proof-of-stake protocols

21:23 <waxwing> "

21:25 <waxwing> some high-level comments here from Narayanan: https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1043552710086340609

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21:29 <adlai> Key intuition: 280 characters isn't enough, we need... 4960!

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23:08 <roasbeef> waxwing: iirc they gave a talk at BPASE earlier this year, and mentioned they had a paper coming out later, so that may be where you first saw some of their arguments

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23:44 <esotericnonsense> I'm rather inebriated right now, but a brief scan of that really has me stalling at the "under ideal network conditions" bit

23:45 <esotericnonsense> (waxwing's linked paper)

23:46 <esotericnonsense> there's an issue at another level which is that the protocol is not guaranteed to be what you think it is, and its behaviour under those circumstances is also important

23:46 <esotericnonsense> i suppose that's an issue of defining what is the 'network' and what isn't

23:47 <esotericnonsense> basically, if you think the network functions as "a" and actually it functions as "b", can you stall for some time and recover a state in which the rules of "a" can continue without issue, or is it irreperably broken now because of that period

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