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<sipa> jeremyrubin: you may want to answer https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/92746/208
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<waxwing> fluffypony, that page doesn't exist
<rottensox> ye. they nuked the tweet, seems like.
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<fluffypony> weird
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<jeremyrubin> sipa: thanks for the h/u
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<jeremyrubin> I think I answered it?
<jeremyrubin> would appreciate if other's chimed in if that's a good answer or not
<jeremyrubin> I think it's a terminology question and I don't think we have ever really systematized what we mean when we say scaling :p
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<jeremyrubin> Despite having had N+1 conferences called scaling bitcoin :p
<gmaxwell> I'm surprised you didn't mention for the STB participants to cut through the payment to a different one.
<jeremyrubin> As in payment pools?
<jeremyrubin> I am unsure of how common that would be because of coordination difficulties
<gmaxwell> thats like saying lightning network couldn't exist.
<gmaxwell> but not specifically to that. The future outputs set by CTV are only tenitive and could be changed by the participants.
<jeremyrubin> I can add a note on it; but it's also something that requires taproot/schnorr and i wanted to underscore why CTV is a benefit standalone
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<jeremyrubin> actually I'm fairly certain "CTV also enables new kinds of non-interactive protocols, which can eliminate a transaction between "withdraw from coinbase" and "open lightning channel". This meets the "classical" decreased block space usage criteria." covers that case