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<alexgordon> we'll know the mormons were right and jesus christ has come back to save all the white folks, when yrashk tweets about a non-erlang-related topic
<jesusabdullah> hah
<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: hahahahaha
<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: or hiking, based on when i last followed him
<micahjohnston_> those two topics
<alexgordon> followed jesus christ, or followed yrashk?
<micahjohnston_> obviously jesus christ
<alexgordon> -ovoids
<purr> alexgordon: http://pastebin.com/RP1hWBHP
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<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: listen to my shitty little piece of music
<micahjohnston_> http://cl.ly/Q3IF
<micahjohnston_> gnight everyone
<alexgordon> night micahjohnston_
* alexgordon listens to micahjohnston's beats
<alexgordon> or beat, singular
<alexgordon> micahjohnston_ is stingy with his beat
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<gkatsev> so, who here knows who Doug Engelbart was before today?
<joelteon> nope
<gkatsev> do you know who he was now?
<joelteon> no
<gkatsev> :(
<whitequark> gkatsev: I kinda did
<whitequark> but I don't believe in visionaries with breaktrough ideas. so, whatever.
<joelteon> it's not that hard to break a trough
<gkatsev> lol
<purr> lol
<whitequark> more specifically, I do
<whitequark> but if you implement them as well, and they work
<gkatsev> whitequark: ok, that doesn't mean he didn't do awesome stuff that definitely changed what we know of as computers currently.
<whitequark> gkatsev: changed compared to what?
<gkatsev> well, without him we wouldn't have had the mouse, for one thing. Or rather, it wouldn't have been what we now know as the mouse
<gkatsev> but he did a lot of other stuff as well
<whitequark> I don't think so
<whitequark> (wouldn't have had the mouse)
<whitequark> my motivation: 1. a *lot* of HCI devices were invented and prototyped. only very few sticked.
<whitequark> 2. a *lot* of so-called breakthrough inventions were not singular. several people implemented slightly different variants of the same concept at about the same time.
<gkatsev> I'm not saying that it was all him
<whitequark> there is nothing intrinsically complex in the concept of a mouse. sooner or later--yes, we could have it ten years later--it would emerge
<gkatsev> I'm saying that he definitely helped shape it
<gkatsev> the mouse and arpanet and a few other stuff he worked on
<whitequark> as every other engineer on the team
<whitequark> hm, I have a better analogy
<whitequark> no, I don't.
<whitequark> well, whatever
<whitequark> this discussion isn't worth it
<gkatsev> just so happens that the thing he shaped ended up being used by just about every person alive
<whitequark> should we treat the inventor of x86 with similar fame?
<whitequark> or, for that matter, John von Neumann (if we don't take into account shitload of his *other*, very valuable contributions to various fields)?
<whitequark> he needed to build a computer. he built one of the few simplest things that could possibly work
<gkatsev> yeah, people should know who von neumann is as well
<whitequark> that is a remarkable engineering achievement, given the time and constraints, but it's really not fundamental in any way. he was doing his work, and he did it well.
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<Guest77436> oh ffs
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<vil> there
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<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: haha
<alexgordon> sup M
<micahjohnston_> hi A
<micahjohnston_> lolol
<purr> lolol
<micahjohnston_> brb
<alexgordon> :(
<joelteon> so I learned this neat thing about imagemagick today
<joelteon> if you're using the magickwand API to build images and you try to output one in PNG format, and you don't have a PNG library available
<joelteon> it will give you exception #0 "undefined exception"
<micahjohnston_> hi
<purr> micahjohnston_: hi!
<micahjohnston_> joelteon: helpful
* alexgordon is doing latent semantic mapping
<alexgordon> it's cooool
<micahjohnston_> wadat
<micahjohnston_> alexgordon: didja like my beat
<micahjohnston_> how do you like the little reggae echo at the end
<micahjohnston_> well kind of a dub thing i guess
<micahjohnston_> lol
<purr> lol
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<alexgordon> micahjohnston_: lemme listen to it again
<alexgordon> fuuuuu headphones are broked
<alexgordon> micahjohnston: yeah
<alexgordon> micahjohnston_: yeah
<alexgordon> micahjohnston__: yeah
<alexgordon> micahjohnston___: yeah
<micahjohnston_> haha :D
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<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: yeah
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<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: tell me what sucks about it
<alexgordon> incomprehensibly: it's too short
<incomprehensibly> alexgordon: well yeah :p
<alexgordon> I dunno, it's not really complete is it?
<incomprehensibly> yeah it's a little beginning of a thing
<incomprehensibly> maybe i should release it how it is