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<Acacia>
here's a simple website serving copies of an amateur politically incorrect gaming magazine /ipns/12D3KooWSbMdNpe8NgRNVp8K5aAqszpeHQQpqkwagQ9se1LMUQeA/
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<bluebie>
are there any nice tidy ways to keep pins and other locally published content tagged with the application that provided them, so, for example, if a user uninstalls an IPFS app that is using a centralised shared IPFS daemon on their computer, they can drop the data it was using in one easy action?
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<bluebie>
like in a hypothetical world where an iOS or a Mac had IPFS as a system network service, how does it clean up when an App Store app is uninstalled?
<bluebie>
and more practically, in the current world, is the only way to keep things tidy, to run your own embedded IPFS node inside your app, and keep everything sandboxed within your own app's storage and stuff?
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<Acacia>
in what it does you can call it a superset of torrent, it does everything bittorrent does and more
<nixpc>
Thanks but it looks like the website is down for me.
<nixpc>
Connection Refused
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<ShokuninDiscord[>
Currently supported language for the Postables api is English
<nixpc>
Ah I see, so why is IPFS so popular then? What exactly makes it unique compared to tor?
<nixpc>
torrent*
<Acacia>
for instance if you update the contents of a torrent you need a new torrent, but with ipfs you can have an address that'll point to the newest version of the content, and the people seeding the previous version can still peer with the ones seeding the new version for the unchanged content
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<nixpc>
so it basically puts more control in the hands of the uploader?
<nixpc>
and can you still find old versions of software then?
<Acacia>
it's not really just a bittorrent alternative though, that's just some of the benefits.
<nixpc>
ah I see, so it's something completely different but operates on the same principles of torrent?
<nixpc>
like as a way to upload files decentralised and be able to update them to the newest versions
<nixpc>
something like that?
<Acacia>
it's a distributed way to share data and it's content-addressed
<Acacia>
it's also broken up in several components like the protocols we use to do things on the internet, so pieces of it can be used for any other purpose
<Acacia>
or replaced easily
<nixpc>
thanks for the quick explanation I'm definitely going to do some more research into the topic!
<nixpc>
ipfs seems quite interesting
<aschmahmann[m]>
also content-address = version is fixed in time. There is another system (bundled in the go-ipfs binary) called IPNS that deals with data the changes over time/versions.
<nixpc>
mhmm what stops a person from charging the version to something malicious though and having everyone download and share it?
<aidenholmes[m]>
<nixpc "Ah I see, so why is IPFS so popu"> trackerless DHT, websites over IPFS, domain names and changing content with IPNS
<nixpc>
websites over IPFS? as in everyone who visits your website also hosts it?
<aschmahmann[m]>
<nixpc "mhmm what stops a person from ch"> IPNS basically uses the hash of a public key as the identifier and all updates are signed by the corresponding private key. So the entity that controls the private key controls the updates.
<aidenholmes[m]>
<nixpc "websites over IPFS? as in everyo"> yes, unless they use one of the many gateways
<aidenholmes[m]>
imo the best use case for ipfs is for social networks that manage tons of public data
<aidenholmes[m]>
for example google could use it to effeciently sync youtube videos across data centers
<nixpc>
interesting stuff! seems like it might revolutionize the internet at some point with all the adblocking that's going on, instead of a JS cryptominer sitting in the background to generate revenue to host just make everyone host the website
<nixpc>
although also seems crazy hard to set up right
<Acacia>
and IPNS resolves into a multihash which is IPFS'es way of hashing things with some benefits like being able to change what algorithm is used so even if the person sharing it decides to do something nasty, the old multihashes it was solving to are still around so long as someone is seeding them
<nixpc>
ah yeah google could definitely benefit, but wouldn't it be a bit irrational to store people's sensitive data on random people's PCs?
<aidenholmes[m]>
<nixpc "ah yeah google could definitely "> yeah that's why i meant only for public data, like youtube videos that aren't set to private
<aidenholmes[m]>
<aidenholmes[m] "yeah that's why i meant only for"> but yeah there could be problems with GDPR compliance and right to be forgotten
<aidenholmes[m]>
eg someone uploads a video that violates the TOS like a video showing murder, google can't take it down because it's in DHT
<aschmahmann[m]>
you wouldn't want to make sensitive plaintext data available via IPFS, but you might be willing to make encrypted sensitive data available via IPFS. It depends on your threat model
<nixpc>
that's what I was thinking, but those laws were set up in a way to respond to the current copyright problem, law will change as technology evolves
<nixpc>
and right to be forgotten really just applies to search engines
<nixpc>
well sorry it's not the copyright problem*
<nixpc>
but it's the problem how basically companies now basically don't give 2 shits about people's privacy anymore
<aidenholmes[m]>
<nixpc "and right to be forgotten really"> and, simply videos that violate the TOS but go viral before youtube notices, like gore or nudity
<aidenholmes[m]>
yeah
<nixpc>
plus if you can't find them on YT you'll most likely find them on bestgore or tor
<nixpc>
like that guy shooting up a mosque, removed from even wikileaks but not from bestgore
<aidenholmes[m]>
mastodon has a similar problem, when someone deletes a post it can be difficult to make sure it's deleted across all the mastodon instances
<Acacia>
also torrents of it around
<nixpc>
you can't really get rid of something once it's popular
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<nixpc>
laws adapt, technology disrupts
<Acacia>
another neat thing about ipfs'es multihash addressing is that if you happen to know the hash of a file, you can turn it into a multihash and look it up on ipfs and it could exist in the network
<nixpc>
I'm honestly surprised to see IRC so alive, I thought IRC would be dead
<aidenholmes[m]>
<aidenholmes[m] "for example google could use it "> another scenario could be, google uses ipfs for their internal servers but still distributes the content over http
<nixpc>
I wasn't even born when IRC was released, I just know about it due to my programming hobby
<Acacia>
and since it's just a component of ipfs it can be used by any other project too
<nixpc>
cool thanks
<nixpc>
oh that's cool a protocol to allow for hashes to co-exist
<nixpc>
although I can see that being abused
<nixpc>
purposefully forcing weak hashes
<nixpc>
or am I just wrong here?
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<Acacia>
yeah it can happen, but all you need to do is not accept them
<Acacia>
it's not really a new problem people are still sharing sha1 hashes every now and then
<Acacia>
PGP wasn't made with changing hashes in mind and keys are still hashed with sha1
<Acacia>
it even uses md5 for key fingerprints
<aidenholmes[m]>
i wrote a backup program that uses sha1 hashes but it's not for security
<aidenholmes[m]>
it references directories by the basename with a truncated hash of the full path
<aidenholmes[m]>
eg /foo/bar becomes bar-<hash>
<aidenholmes[m]>
and /foo/baz/bar becomes bar-<different hash>
<nixpc>
that's cool but why not just save it with the file path intact?
<aidenholmes[m]>
it works as long as none of the hashes collide for directories with the same basename
<aidenholmes[m]>
hmm
<aidenholmes[m]>
for one that would have very long directory names
<aidenholmes[m]>
like ~/backrs/bar-hash would be ~/backrs/home-user-foo-baz-bar or somethign
<aidenholmes[m]>
* like ~/backrs/bar-hash would be ~/backrs/home-user-foo-baz-bar or something
<nixpc>
but isn't it an issue to try and restore your data based on the hashes?
<nixpc>
btw is ipfs.io down for everyone or just me?
<mmuller>
nixpc: seems to be working for me
<nixpc>
refuses it for me
<nixpc>
ummm
<nixpc>
looks like my ISP is blocking it
<nixpc>
yeah my ISP blocks it wtf
<postablesDiscord>
Shokunin english with lots of typos 😆
<nixpc>
just wondering if this is a DNS block or blocking the IP itself
<nixpc>
looks like a DNS block let me try and change my DNS
<nixpc>
ipfs works now for me
<nixpc>
ipfs.io*
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<dadefsad>
has anyone ever bought drugs here https://partydron.com ? they make drone delivery anonymously, it looks good but I need some opinions,Any experience with them? Thanks
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<nixpc>
dadefsad: don't du drugs mate
<nixpc>
do*
<nixpc>
oh welp i guess he was just advertising
<shokunin>
And now he's gone
<nixpc>
yeah definitely a bot
<shokunin>
* And now his post is gone
<nixpc>
huh what do you mean
<shokunin>
Removed from discord and the Permaweb Matrix instance
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<nixpc>
is ipfs linked up with a discord?
<shokunin>
permaweb.io/discord yeah
<nixpc>
cool thanks, his post is still there for me since I'm using IRC
<shokunin>
hahaha
<nixpc>
that dadef guy said the same message on multiple IRC channels
<shokunin>
nothing I can do about that!
<nixpc>
nope just wanna inform you :)
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<shokunin>
but Matrix and Discord I can help moderate
<nixpc>
weird how my country blocked ipfs.io
<shokunin>
postables (Discord), swedneck:permaweb.io and carsonfarmer (Discord) also
<nixpc>
why would ipfs.io get blocked? it doesn't seem like anything illegal
<alkeryn>
nixpc maybe your gov is against decentralized system and shit
<alkeryn>
what's your country ?
<nixpc>
Belgium
<nixpc>
ISP = Telenet
<nixpc>
I'll show you the page where it sends you to if you don't change your DNS servers
<nixpc>
I tried googling about the website being blocked
<alkeryn>
lol i thing it is your dns settings
<nixpc>
usually only the federal government issues orders to block a website which happened to stuff like thepiratebay
<alkeryn>
most likely your isp
<nixpc>
yeah
<nixpc>
it was
<nixpc>
i changed it to google's
<nixpc>
but that's how websites get censored here in Belgium
<Acacia>
take the chance to do encrypoted DNS
<nixpc>
although i'm not sure why ipfs got censored
<Acacia>
encrypted
<nixpc>
nah
<nixpc>
no need for that
<nixpc>
it's probably a false positive
<alkeryn>
he said
<alkeryn>
lol
<alkeryn>
Well if your website is https it's fine i guess
<nixpc>
yup it's fine
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<Acacia>
what's the optimal way of linking IPNS in html? Should I just stick a http://127.0.0.1:8080/ipns/whatever href in there? I'm worried people who aren't into ipfs will have no idea what to do with that, but at the same time they're not contributing to the network anyway
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<kpp>
Hi! How do I enable pubsub in go-ipfs config file?
<aidenholmes[m]>
<Acacia "what's the optimal way of linkin"> if you give a an ipfs.io link, people who have the ipfs companion browser extension will automatically get it from their local ipfs
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