aschmahmann changed the topic of #ipfs to: Heads Up: To talk, you need to register your nick! Announcements: go-ipfs 0.7.0 and js-ipfs 0.52.3 are out! Get them from dist.ipfs.io and npm respectively! | Also: #libp2p #ipfs-cluster #filecoin #ipfs-dev | IPFS: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | Logs: https://view.matrix.org/room/!yhqiEdqNjyPbxtUjzm:matrix.org/ | Forums: https://discuss.ipfs.io | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0
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<wings[m]>
Man ipfs.io is awesome
<wings[m]>
The gateway I mean
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<Narkain>
Hey all. Sorry for the lame question. I get that a file gets a unique filehash.. however if I create a MFS or UnixFS with changing files in it.. how does the network know what "version" of the hash that different peers have is the latest version? (And if those peers had 'authority' to modify the latest version ?
<mdevos>
Narkain: IIUC, /ipfs/... is an immutable version, and /ipns/... is a kind of updatable link to the latest (immutable) version
<mdevos>
The /ipns/... can only be updated if you have the secret key
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<Narkain>
@mdevos : Ahh, so there is a secret key for it. I have been reading through the docs and had not seen any mentions of such thing. So all mutables have a private key while the immutable do not (Since there is no need as the hash can never change) then?
<Narkain>
Is there a method for making a multi-sig/multikey for the mutables ?
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<kallisti5[m]>
The idea is you can "fully" decentralize your data. A lot of block chains are trying to tie into IPFS since it follows the distributed model well. One example is .eth domains allow you to set ipfs records natively
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<Citizen528>
So this is concerning:
<Citizen528>
So until this really gains traction and more people are using it, my web search results will be garbage?
<Citizen528>
>If nobody using IPFS has the content identified by a given address available for others to access, you won't be able to get it.
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<FuseTim[m]>
I have a segmentation error using `fs-repo-10-to-11` (`fs-repo-migrations`) on arm64. Maybe there is something to investigate here ?
<FuseTim[m]>
On the other hand, `fs-repo-9-to-10` works fine and I was able to migrate from 10 to 11 using an amd64 computer and mounting the ipfs repo via NFS.
<McSinyx>
you guys have nongarbage ipfs search?
<FuseTim[m]>
* I have a segmentation fault using `fs-repo-10-to-11` (`fs-repo-migrations`) on arm64. Maybe there is something to investigate here ?
<FuseTim[m]>
On the other hand, `fs-repo-9-to-10` works fine and I was able to migrate from 10 to 11 using an amd64 computer and mounting the ipfs repo via NFS.
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<kallisti5[m]>
Citizen528: One key concept of IPFS is "IPFS isn't magic"
<kallisti5[m]>
People have to choose to host the data
<kallisti5[m]>
* People have to choose to host the data via pinning
<kallisti5[m]>
just like if you have a torrent with zero seeds... you won't get the data
<kallisti5[m]>
We're hosting around 120GiB of data on IPFS. I have an IPFS node that does the initial publishing of data... then several community users who continuously "repin" our ipns record.
<kallisti5[m]>
IPFS *really* needs "continuous pinning of ipns records"
<kallisti5[m]>
Speaking of which, We're seeing *long* lookup times on gateways after updating our ipns record. I can speed the lookup by explicitly adding our "core node" to the gateway's swarm. Does that however mean IPFS will lazily get "all chunks" from that single node?
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<FuseTim[m]>
Would you know if go-ipfs between version 0.7.0 and version 0.8.0 has had any changes in the way incoming connections are handled, especially regarding listening on `/ip4/0.0.0.0/`? I can't access all IPFS ports after the migration. For clarification, I try to access these ports through a TCP proxy, so IPFS can't listen directly on these addresses.
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<FuseTim[m]>
* ~~Would you know if go-ipfs between version 0.7.0 and version 0.8.0 has had any changes in the way incoming connections are handled, especially regarding listening on `/ip4/0.0.0.0/`? I can't access all IPFS ports after the migration. For clarification, I try to access these ports through a TCP proxy, so IPFS can't listen directly on these addresses.~~ Well it works as epected after a complete reboot
<FuseTim[m]>
* <del>Would you know if go-ipfs between version 0.7.0 and version 0.8.0 has had any changes in the way incoming connections are handled, especially regarding listening on `/ip4/0.0.0.0/`? I can't access all IPFS ports after the migration. For clarification, I try to access these ports through a TCP proxy, so IPFS can't listen directly on these addresses.</del> **Well it works as epected after a complete reboot**
<FuseTim[m]>
* <del>Would you know if go-ipfs between version 0.7.0 and version 0.8.0 has had any changes in the way incoming connections are handled, especially regarding listening on /ip4/0.0.0.0/? I can't access all IPFS ports after the migration. For clarification, I try to access these ports through a TCP proxy, so IPFS can't listen directly on these addresses.</del> **Well it works as expected after a complete reboot**
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<Narkain>
Kallisti5: "The idea is you can "fully" decentralize your data." That is not realistic in the current iteration of IPFS. If I have a 100 files or 1tb of data that I want fully decentralized, that is not easily done simply with IPFS. Other people have to 'want' the data an even then it is only cached for as long as someone has interest otherwise it gets purged. You can using pinning services.. but that is not really
<Narkain>
decentralized.
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<Sheogorath[m]>
Narkain: I think the statement still holds. IPFS does allow you to do that. Of course you might have to go an extra mile with your data, but that's just reasonable, since storage doesn't appear out of thin air.
<Sheogorath[m]>
IPFS is as decentralised as other services that allow to easily redistribute content from unauthoritive sources (e.g. peers).
<Sheogorath[m]>
So IPFS is fully decentralised. It's however limited in the persistence of data.