phoe changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language | <http://cliki.net/> <https://irclog.tymoon.eu/freenode/%23lisp> <https://irclog.whitequark.org/lisp> <http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/> | SBCL 1.4.16, CMUCL 21b, ECL 16.1.3, CCL 1.11.5, ABCL 1.5.0
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<markasoftware> i'm returning the result of a `floor`, but want to discard all but the first of the multiple returned values
<markasoftware> how would I go about that?
<Xach> markasoftware: (values (floor ...))
<Xach> i do that sometimes when my function ultimately calls gethash but i don't want the "value, t" return
<markasoftware> thanks
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<LdBeth> Good afternoon
<JohnMS> Good morning.
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<dtw> Morning. Are DEFUN's lambda list's bindings like in LET or LET*? I mean can optional argument's default value form refer to an earlier variable in the lambda list?
<dtw> It seems that it's like LET*.
<beach> It is.
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<shka_> good morning
<shka_> when developing a system, how do you like to organize layers?
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<shka_> one approach that appears to me to be natural is to start from dividing representation and operations
<shka_> but this can be essentially done for every layer so it does not appear to all that useful
<shka_> as a end goal
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<zhlyg> shka_: non-leaky-abstractions and code-reuse could be some goal/directive. Though they sometimes feel mutually exclusive.
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<shka_> zhlyg: i am more concerned with something that will be easy to understand
<shka_> well, i will start and see how it goes…
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<beach> shka_: If you are aiming for a layered design, I suggest you look at CLIM which is a great example of such design. Each layer is defined in terms of one or more protocols, and different implementations can be substituted for each such protocol.
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<LdBeth> I find ISLISP a good starting point
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<abarbosa> the more I learn about JS Next I reckon more and more of Lisp feats they put on it !:D
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<shka_> beach: thanks for tip
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<beach> Sure.
<beach> SBCL fails because it claims that a call to mprotect failed with ENOMEM, and I am encouraged to increase max_map_count. What are the consequences of doing that?
<beach> The current value is 65530. I have no idea wither that is a lot or nor.
<beach> or not
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<TMA> if I recall correctly, it causes more memory to be allocated in the kernel to keep track of the mmaps.
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<beach> TMA: I see, thanks.
<TMA> other than that it is a sign, that the sbcl's virtual memory got fragmented
<beach> Hmm, OK.
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<admich> hello, what happened to matlisp github page? https://github.com/matlisp/
<Lycurgus> github.com/chris-taylor/MatLisp ?
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<admich> No, github.com/chris-taylor/MatLisp doesn't seems the right repo. In github.com/matlisp/ there was a version of https://sourceforge.net/projects/matlisp/ more updated. Also quicklisp and quickdocs reference github.com/matlisp/ that now is unavailable.
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<flip214> Trying to use CFFI:TRANSLATION-FORMS-FOR-CLASS I get "undefined variable: CFFI::SLOT-NAME"
<flip214> there are no tests for CFFI:TRANSLATION-FORMS-FOR-CLASS; did anybody use that already (successfully)?
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<flip214> or is that not needed anymore because DEFINE-C-STRUCT-WRAPPER does that already?
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<oni-on-ion> does anyone happen to know what /month/ the CL spec came out in 1994 ?
<Bike> "The primary output of X3J13 was an American National Standard for programming language Common Lisp (X3.226/1994), approved December 8, 1994"
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<oni-on-ion> cool, thanks !
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