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<houkime>
C204, C205. They seem somewhat special and they use a different footprint.
<houkime>
What is their model?
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<davethewave>
hi guys,
<houkime>
hi
<davethewave>
whats the status of the neo900 project?
<houkime>
v2 prototype layouting in active progress
<houkime>
v2 means "LOWER and BOB+ here and there"
<houkime>
after that we will need to make v3 with UPPER.
<davethewave>
interessting, just found the projects site while browsing the web for alternative firmware for my old N)
<davethewave>
N9 i mean
<houkime>
what do you thibk of the site?
<houkime>
*think
<davethewave>
I think it's a cool project
<davethewave>
is there an approximate estimate of when it will be finished?
<houkime>
no, I mean, I feel the site itself can be technically cooler and more useful. Any tips?
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<houkime>
idk really. I hope to finish layouting before autumn but who knows.
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<davethewave>
ok, is this a solo project by you?
<houkime>
Nope. It is just i am a bottleneck right now
<houkime>
doing the layout.
<davethewave>
not really tips, but it would be cool if the actual status of the project is easier visible
<davethewave>
just my opinion by the way
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<davethewave>
for someone who is just getting on the site at random
<houkime>
What do you think is an ideal way to represent the status?
<Joerg-Neo900>
houkime: I don't see why C204/5 would have a special footprint. metacollin might have chosen a particular series of caps already, ans those 2 are rated 10V
<davethewave>
possibly a simple overview of what has already been done, what is currently being worked on and what is still in line
<Joerg-Neo900>
davethewave: you know we got the whole website on public git?
<Joerg-Neo900>
houkime: we had a blog-alike "leave a comment" on all our news sites. We nuked that since it never really been used and only gave us headache to maintain
<davethewave>
whats the best alternative to the mainstream (android, iphone) at the moment, in your opinion, maybe you know a project which is already ready to use
<Joerg-Neo900>
and now maemo-leste some time later on
<houkime>
davethewave: the problem with projects is that old ones are pretty much sold out and new ones are not really ready yet.
<davethewave>
I have funded the Librem Phone 5 so a device is in the line, but maybe I can use one of my old phones for now
<Joerg-Neo900>
projects?
<davethewave>
btw what do you think of the Librem Phone 5 project?
<Joerg-Neo900>
librem5 has basically the right approach, on their press release - as far as you can tell abozt details of their approach from those. For maybe half a dozen topics around making-a-phone the question is if they really understand the implications and pitfalls
<Joerg-Neo900>
I personally don't hold my breath for the librem5
<Joerg-Neo900>
what specifically is it you expect from a smartphone?
<Joerg-Neo900>
this is a honest request to help me elaborate on the differences between Neo900, Librem5, and "mainstream"
<Joerg-Neo900>
by listing what you expect from your smartphone
<davethewave>
jeah, android is open source, but i dont like it. i would have a smartphone running linux
<Joerg-Neo900>
Neo900 is not (never was and prolly won't be) about providing an OS. The project completely relies on existing stuff and community (FPTF, Leste) providing the OS
<houkime>
IMO the problem with android is that it is not commulity-led although opensource.
<houkime>
*community
<Joerg-Neo900>
ok, even while in industry 90% of marketing and whatnot folks think android=linux, this is a valid point
<Joerg-Neo900>
yes, exactly
<davethewave>
and for sure a smartphone which i can trust in privacy and security
<davethewave>
and i want to use the same tools which i use on my linux notebook
<Joerg-Neo900>
thus Neo900 never considered "we don't do software" a deficit of any kind. We rather consider it one of our best selling points, since that means we need to provide *hardware docs* that allow community to develop whatever software they like
<davethewave>
yeah, i am searching also for open source hardware, like the neo900
<Joerg-Neo900>
privacy and security are mainly software realms
<davethewave>
cause how you should develop open source os for a smartphone where the baseline is locked, ....
<Joerg-Neo900>
indeed
<Joerg-Neo900>
though open hw != open source hw != unlocked hw, see tivoization
<Joerg-Neo900>
Neo900 is unlocked, by design
<davethewave>
ok, i unserstand
<davethewave>
*understand
<Joerg-Neo900>
for librem5 this is *not* entirely clear, also unclear if they will ever be allowed to publish schematics
<davethewave>
yeah, but it was the best approch i found
<davethewave>
until now, still searching
<Joerg-Neo900>
hardware can be "open source" so you could make your own by simply copying stuff verbatim, and yet lacks documentation that would be needed to really develop software for the hw platform. Open hardware is supposed to provide full documatation from schematics to chip datasheets and whitepapers explaining how the whole thing works on hw level - that's what we (try to) do at Neo900. However such hw could *still* be ricoized
<Joerg-Neo900>
then librem5 "special security" hw switch is basically a red herring
<davethewave>
really good approch, I woudl help you but I have just basic skills in PCB design
<Joerg-Neo900>
s/ricoized/tivoized/
<Joerg-Neo900>
there's a truckload of tasks absolutely unrelated to electronics, in Neo900 project
<davethewave>
ok maybe I can help you with something
<Joerg-Neo900>
from spreading the word, to frequent short newsflashes basically just providing a list of "what been done, what happened" since last such update maybe 2 weeks ago (may even be a mere "nothing happened, seems everybody was busy with otther stuff except for Friday afternoon where we had a short chat about trolls"), to full size blogpost stories like ">>What Do You Expect From Your Smartphone<< aka 'what's the difference between Neo900 and a
<Joerg-Neo900>
selected few of other devices/projects'", to server administration, kickstarter stuardship etc pp
<davethewave>
thanks, i think i will spend some time browsing trough the project, maybe I can help you with some stuff.
<Joerg-Neo900>
houkime: you probably want to make a ticket for an issue you might not have heard about at all since we discussed it mostly in IRC: distance stands/feet soldered to UPPER that go through holes in LOWER and stand on the bottom case to mechanically support kbd to avoid warping from keypress forces
<davethewave>
i see the project is located in germany? is there any chance some of you guys are at the 35C3? maybe a chance to have a talk in real life
<Joerg-Neo900>
davethewave: a great help wpuld be doimg that vrowsing, then coming here and ask lots of questions, and finaly take notes all the times about your reading, your finding, your questions and the answrs you got, and prepare a nice verbose news story from all that, Title "my first encounter with Neo900" or somesuch
<Joerg-Neo900>
hmm, I migtht have a visit at C3, but that's some time until then (though better get tickets now already) - alos I'm not so keen anymore about this mega event
<houkime>
Joerg-Neo900: hmm. YEAH. That's sth that should be metioned. Although I'm not really sure it the best approach.
<Joerg-Neo900>
houkime: also we need some real theaded steel bolts/screws fixing UPPER on LOWER ultra-rigidly
<Joerg-Neo900>
particularly against shearing forces
<Joerg-Neo900>
I know that's ME and not *really* your domain of expertise as layouter. Maybe you can do or at least consider it nevertheless?
<houkime>
davethewave: I was never rich enough to visit cons like 35C3.))
<Joerg-Neo900>
damn, my typo rate explodes. I need to find my glasses, and get some break and some breakfast, don't ask me if that's early or late for that
<houkime>
Joerg-Neo900: ok-ok. considering in the layout.
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<Joerg-Neo900>
davethewave: talking about fairs and cons - you noticed /topic?
<Joerg-Neo900>
houkime: we need to establish more chat/feedback between you and wpwrak&me
<davethewave>
Yeah, now that you mention it.
<davethewave>
ok, thanks guys a start to crawl trough the project and let you know what i think
<davethewave>
* I start to crawl
<houkime>
davethewave: good luck!) Give a feedback afterwards even if you fail. Would be useful.
<Joerg-Neo900>
oh you say metacollin added a incorct footprint? well. just fix it, no?
<houkime>
Will. Just a debug log.
<houkime>
funny it is from same C_XXX series of footprints as giant caps of unknown model.
<Joerg-Neo900>
maybe - if possible - add a "comment" to same meaning ro tge kicad project itself (too). Like addubng to Comment3 of the schematics component, and/or verbose-renaming of the component file