<xiangfu_>
Hi there are 'pending' message in mailing list. I just approved some of them, I saw the message in 'Archives' do we will receive those email ? seems not. I still not receive them.
<wpwrak>
xiangfu_: from Uli Raich ? i got them
<wpwrak>
(three of them)
<xiangfu_>
oh. then my network is very slow. :(
<wpwrak>
and an old one from Jedidiah Johnson
<xiangfu_>
still not get them. yes three from Uli, and one message that reply to you
<xiangfu_>
oh. yes
<wolfspraul>
xiangfu_: just wait a little
<rejon>
xiangfu_,
<rejon>
i need to clone you
<kristianpaul>
seems xiangfu is not the only with net problems today
<rejon>
ha
<rejon>
my net in beijing working well today
<kristianpaul>
ipv6/4 or tunnel to the US?
<rejon>
vpn
<kristianpaul>
btw how i can tell grep to match regexp just from the begining?
<kristianpaul>
i'm using $ but i think is not working
<wpwrak>
^ is beginning $ is end
<kristianpaul>
he ;)
<rejon>
^something
<rejon>
s/^blah/replace/g
<kristianpaul>
oh, i can use regex on vim/ex/sed too?
<kristianpaul>
NOT to alarm everybody here, but i think i fully understand that meaning of the dimly led, but my case with D1, as just five minutes ago my m1 after plugging power wasnt detected by urjtag and i just noticed D1 slighlt dim
<wolfspraul>
hmm, back
<kristianpaul>
you did something?
<wolfspraul>
probably Hetzner (the server hosting company) is upgrading routers
<wolfspraul>
no
<wolfspraul>
not yet :-)
<kristianpaul>
ohh
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: you said namuru is working now?
<kristianpaul>
if acuumulators show something that changes over time i should said yes is working :)
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
congratulations! sounds like progress :-)
<kristianpaul>
now i'm wondering if qi-hardware is on europe..
<kristianpaul>
actually should i said china or world wide?
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: what a list :-)
<kristianpaul>
hehe
<kristianpaul>
i stop reading when saw hp there..
<wolfspraul>
I think we are on a good track. new and different understanding of the hardware-software boundary, definition of copyleft hardware that leads to a new lineage of computing
<wolfspraul>
oh that list is wonderful, totally messed up :-)
<wolfspraul>
it shows one thing above all - confusion
<wolfspraul>
but that's ok, we are also still confused, but working on clarity
<kristianpaul>
xiangfu: in can i avoid to commit certain lines of a file?
<xiangfu>
kristianpaul, no.
<kristianpaul>
I'm just added some test points to my designa at the same time i want commit other changed and dont want to messup more commit log with two comments in same commit
<kristianpaul>
xiangfu: a shame ;)
<kristianpaul>
just kidding,  i need to improve my developing practices :)
<kristianpaul>
there is a quit way to add commit from vi... hum it should be..
<kristianpaul>
bah, what plugin if i can alwayys do !whatever :)
<kristianpaul>
xiangfu: when i want to be a bit expensive in the comment for a commit i just ran git commit and start writing right?
<xiangfu>
git commit -a or git commit FILE
<xiangfu>
or git commit -a -m "commit log"
<kristianpaul>
.a ok
<kristianpaul>
no no, i want avoid write all down in that ""
<GitHub191>
[milkymist/gps-sdr-testing] Blocking to Non-blocking assignment - Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas
<GitHub191>
[milkymist/gps-sdr-testing] load PRN key/set clear flag added to accumulator/status loop, - Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas
<GitHub191>
[milkymist/gps-sdr-testing] sample enable signald wired to high, prn key enable is now cleared in every clock cycle [HACK] - Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas
<wpwrak>
(vendors) no tuxbrain ? aww ...
<Ayla>
guys
<Ayla>
is errno always set by ioctl()?
<Ayla>
or are there cases where it is not set?
<wpwrak>
hmm, if python can't be fixed, maybe we can call the upcoming owrt release a "technical release", that isn't recommended for general use
<wpwrak>
not having python seems like a major regression. i'm not surprised that people hate the idea :)
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: yes they do :-)
<wolfspraul>
but the reality is that we may need to kick out a lot more broken stuff, and should
<wolfspraul>
the alternative is that our releases slow to a halt, we don't even have enough time to update the kernel, etc.
<wpwrak>
it's also a communication problem. xiangfu basically wrote "python has issues, so we'll drop it. basta." that's not nice
<wolfspraul>
true, but he toned it down from what I told him to get my point across :-)
<wpwrak>
;-))
<wolfspraul>
but yes I agree, it's a subtle
<wpwrak>
you should try to be a better example :)
<wolfspraul>
thing
<wolfspraul>
the reality is that the NanoNote is a very very niche platform, I think one could even make that point about all of OpenWrt, but that is kept alive due to the routers
<wolfspraul>
so we have to be careful
<wpwrak>
dvdk seems to be on it. so let's see
<wolfspraul>
to make it through the Android dark age, I think we need to be very selective in only the best and stable free software we are able to maintain
<wolfspraul>
once more people join, we need the documentation and tools ready to welcome them and guide their contributions
<wpwrak>
well, but python is pretty essential these days
<wpwrak>
kicking it out is a bit like not having bash (to many people at least)
<wolfspraul>
yes sure
<wolfspraul>
I would kick that out too if it caused problems :-)
<wolfspraul>
it's just thought from result backwards
<wolfspraul>
what are we able to pull off?
<wolfspraul>
I'm not getting stuck in wishful thinking
<wolfspraul>
I told xiangfu that I have no problem going back to a boot to command line ;-)
<wolfspraul>
just rip everything out that doesn't work
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wpwrak>
a bit radical :) but okay for a technical release
<wolfspraul>
call it whatever you like
<wpwrak>
just don't make people think this is what they should install in general
<wolfspraul>
such nuances are lost in our small community, those few people will happily take whatever we are able to build
<wolfspraul>
I need to uptick the buildhost too
<wolfspraul>
xiangfu told me something about scary 31h compile cycles
<wolfspraul>
most important I think is closely following openwrt upstream
<wolfspraul>
and then especially making sure the Ben kernel patches stay clean, get upleveled within openwrt and also to kernel.org. make sure lars is not alone, find out how we can help there.
<wpwrak>
i don't think they're lost. just say "we followed the release process, but there are these regressions, so please only install it if you're okay with them or want to help fixing. for the rest of you, please be patient, we're working on making things better."
<wolfspraul>
that's my lifeline
<wolfspraul>
not Python
<wolfspraul>
Python comes next
<wolfspraul>
yes definitely, totally agree with you
<jivs>
wpwrak,  I am trying to setup the ben-wpan using qi-kernel and rootfs. I have copied the binaries to ben
<jivs>
but when i run iz add wpan-phy0 i am getting this error: Receive failed: Netlink Error (errno = No such device)
<jivs>
Am i missing any obvious step? what does this error indicate?
<wpwrak>
jivs: does your kernel detect the board ?
<jivs>
spi_atben spi_atben: atben_reset
<jivs>
saw this on dmesg
<jivs>
i think it means it detects, isn't it?
<wpwrak>
that looks at least promising. what does  dmesg | grep at86rf231  say ?
<wpwrak>
should be: at86rf230 spi32766.0: Detected at86rf231 chip version 2
<wpwrak>
(or similar)
<jivs>
yes i got that
<wpwrak>
okay, then iz add should work. hmm. how did you configure your kernel ? or did you take a precompiled one ?
<jivs>
now, i am using the precompiled one
<`antonio`>
wpwrak, I don't have any result from dmesg | grep at86rf231
<`antonio`>
does that mean that my kernel was not built properly
<wpwrak>
`antonio`: that's bad. do you get any for  dmesg | grep at86rf230  ?
<wpwrak>
`antonio`: could be a kernel configuration problem, yes
<`antonio`>
nothing from dmesg | grep at86rf230
<jivs>
wprak now it registered the device
<wpwrak>
jivs: you mean "iz add" worked ?
<jivs>
is it necessary to reboot after installing ip and ldconfig
<wpwrak>
`antonio`: then you kernel doesn't seem to have the driver
<jivs>
yes it works now,
<jivs>
because i rebooted it after that error and now it is working
<wpwrak>
jivs: shouldn't need a reboot, but you never know :)  if this happens again, iz listphy  should list the available interfaces
<`antonio`>
how do I check if the kernel has is properly configured ?
<jivs>
wprak thank u.
<`antonio`>
and the patch was applied
<wpwrak>
`antonio`: which patch ?
<wpwrak>
`antonio`: what does  ls /sys/devices/platform/  show on your ben ?
<wpwrak>
jivs: you're most welcome :)
<`antonio`>
gpio-charger.0    jz-udc            jz4740-codec      jz4740-i2s        jz4740-pcm-audio  matrix-keypad    pwm-beeper        serial8250.0      spi_gpio.1
<`antonio`>
gpio-keys        jz4740-adc        jz4740-fb        jz4740-nand.0    jz4740-rtc        power            serial8250        soc-audio        uevent
<wpwrak>
hmm, i'm not sure the "make vmlinux.bin" does what you want
<wpwrak>
maybe try  make -e vmlinux.bin
<wpwrak>
or if this acts weird,  make ARCH=$ARCH CROSS_COMPILE=$CROSS_COMPILE vmlinux.bin
<wpwrak>
when compilation is done. check  grep ATBEN .config
<wpwrak>
should say  CONFIG_SPI_ATBEN=y
<`antonio`>
ok i'll try again
<rjeffries>
wpwrak your suggestion that the new Ben release be called e.g. a technical release is sound IMO. Losing Python (while admitedly temporary) is removing a significant mainstream capability.
<rjeffries>
and no, I am not qualified to help. //that's for my pals kristianpaul and rejon /smile/
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: apparently, in their petition (?) for the preliminary injunction, they changed the aspect ratio of the image of the galaxy tab, making it a bit more similar to the iPad
<erikkugel>
Yes, and of all countries to do it in, Apple had done this in Germany, where they are really serious about their measurements...
<wpwrak>
hehe, yes :)
<wpwrak>
maybe it's like in the movies. they bad guys compulsively have to do evil, even if it clearly works against them ;-)
<erikkugel>
:)
<kristianpaul>
wha heppended?
<kristianpaul>
sorry at office today, i'll read backlog at lunch :)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: you know that apple got a preliminary injunction in germany against samsung, restricting sale of the galaxy tab ?
<wpwrak>
(that happened a few days ago already)
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/qfn.fpd: added paste island ratio calculation, with NXP recommendations (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/d04a714
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/qfn.fpd (QFN28-MCHP-ML): footprint for Microchip 0.65 mm 28QFN package (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0f1829b
<jivs>
wpwrak, it is now working with our own root file system as well
<jivs>
thanks alot
<wpwrak>
jivs: congratulations ! :)
<jivs>
thank u
<wpwrak>
oh, even better. apple also removed the "Samsung" logo, to suggest the device was intended for portrait orientation, while it's apparently more meant for landscape. a chance in aspect ratio could perhaps be explained away, but removal of a logo ? well, the judge still has a few days to think of a commensurate response :)
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: no i dint knew that
<kristianpaul>
in mind my the only hot news was goolgle motorla bought
<wpwrak>
yeah, gootorola is the other recent big news
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: they could hate not having python but i wonder if the really we're using it..
<kristianpaul>
actuaylly this "kick" will be good to see more people intrested in python
<wpwrak>
hehe :)
<kristianpaul>
like porting pygames or such or anything usefull
<wpwrak>
i think the python issue is just a glitch. apparently, wolfgang told xiangfu to just go ahead if something doesn't work. and he presented it as if he himself would brazenly drop things that get in his way. subtle twists in communication :)
<kristianpaul>
rjeffries: what's is that meastrame capabillity? having a python partially working is not
<kristianpaul>
glitch, ahhh
<kristianpaul>
also i recall again, i havent seen a _really_ usefull work of python on the nanonote, besides been there
<kristianpaul>
of course i talk about an aplication that requires it :)
<`antonio`>
wpwrak, thanks that solved everything
<wpwrak>
great ! glad that it works :)
<wpwrak>
do you have atusbs as well, or just atbens ?
<`antonio`>
yeh but i didn't put my hands on the kernel yet i'll let you know when i'll get that working
<wpwrak>
atusb may be a bit more trouble (to use) until i've fixed the long delays. kernel configuration shouldn't be a bigger issue than with atben, though. the main obstacle there is probably to get a kernel that boots on the PC at all :)
<`antonio`>
ok
<kristianpaul>
good excuse to buy another ben and use it as atben bridge :)
<viric>
kristianpaul: yes, I configured the router bad. Let me fix it
<viric>
kristianpaul: I should think of taking down my website from time to time... A few hours not working bring me totally unexpected messages from unexpected people :)
<kristianpaul>
lol
<viric>
I think it should work
<viric>
the web, I mean. now.
<viric>
can you check?
<viric>
ah I tried with a web proxy
<viric>
fine.
<viric>
I wonder what's of your interest there :)
<kristianpaul>
nothing actually, i just was reading Ben Nanonote article in wikipedia last night
<kristianpaul>
well no nothing, i discover nanonixos and wanted to read..
<qi-bot>
[commit] Ayla: Create the powersaver instance on demand and destroy it when not needed. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/fca8c8e
<qi-bot>
[commit] Ayla: The input manager should check whether a powersaver instance is running, to not create one when it's not needed. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8c1f4ab