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<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r4/dsv/bomshelf: use less alarmist message when overriding a component (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/04721da
<qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r4/dsv/SUPPLEMENT: various r4 replacements and new components (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/54dc72d
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* kristianpaul need quits its job -_-
<wpwrak> kristianpaul: why ? do you need more time to play with qi-hw things ? :)
<kristianpaul> wpwrak: yes well, i usually do have time but last week was all day busy and "running" from one place to another :/
<wpwrak> ah well, the have to make you do real work at least once a year ;-)
<kristianpaul> lol , yes :)
<kristianpaul> well, no, i mean just been victim of other people chaos with time asigments..
* kristianpaul dont like that
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: compile-openwrt-xburst.sh: don't copy failed build to IMAGES_URL (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/26a488a
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: compile-openwrt-xburst.sh: only zip the files when successful (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c71889d
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<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: m1/patches/rtems: fix-pmem-size applied at 2012-03-06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/98b02f2
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<DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: do you by any chance recall the details about audio quality of electrolytic vs ceramic C I once dug up?
<DocScrutinizer> IIRC the ceramic ones are prone to introducing non-linear distortions due to piezoceramic effects?
<DocScrutinizer> an effect also visible in their weird capacity/real-voltage diagrams
<DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: I think if real-estate constrains are not really the main issue, we better stick with electrolytic polarized Cs for audio decoupling
<DocScrutinizer> IIRC
<DocScrutinizer> if ceramic, then massive over-dimensioning of voltage makes sense I guess
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* valhalla is doing a bit of non-tech liberation by removing an ipod shaped pocket from a vest and adding a nanonote shaped one :)
<wolfspraul> :-)
<valhalla> (not that the nanonote didn't fit in the ipod shaped pocket, but it feels nice not to have it anymore :)
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<qi-bot> Jon Phillips: Whoa, cool @qihardware has a great new logo! http://t.co/fYWJ1SE1 and I see it here too! http://t.co/1XcUCGvM @fabricatorz ( 177329254156079104@rejon - 58s ago via Ping.fm )
* Ayla do not like
<wpwrak> Ayla: it's CNC-friendly :)
<Ayla> ah :)
<roh> hrhr
<viric> very-cheap-cnc-friendly you mean?
<viric> :)
<roh> if its complicated, one can still laser it
<rejon> yes, totally
<rejon> simple
<wpwrak> viric: "efficient" :)
<rejon> I need to post up the clean SVG version of it
<roh> i'd like a constructive version of it. as in relations of lines and ratios
<viric> the SVG is thick lines or polygons? ;)
<wpwrak> roh: donation of laser engravers gladly accepted ;-)
<whitequark> so 1995
<wpwrak> whitequark: fashion is cyclic :)
<rejon> the design is a abstracted chinese symbol for qi
<rejon> but also looks like a flag
<wpwrak> ah, didn't think of the flag. indeed :)
<wpwrak> viric: it doesn't look so cheap in real life: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/labsw/web/
<rejon> it stands out
<rejon> ok put up
<rejon> also want us to get away from this black tshirt thing
<rejon> towards greeeeen
<rejon> actually RGB
<viric> wpwrak: you use that to mill?
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<wpwrak> viric: hmm ? my mill is a roland MDX-15
<rejon> wpwrak, what is a link to the design you made?
<rejon> can' find it
<viric> wpwrak: why you pointed me to that web? :)
<roh> everybody should have 2-3 xyz tables with different toolheads
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<rejon> great
<wpwrak> if you open front.fpd with fped, the front-cut design is for the machining and front-panel is for the outline of the elements appearing on the front
<rejon> wpwrak, feel free to add anything to that page I just sent out
<rejon> feel like there is probably mor that is needed
<rejon> wpwrak, updated: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Logo
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<nuxx> hello
<nuxx> are you good
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<kyak> are we good?
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<wolfspraul> ah well, I had a little super glue (cyanoacrylate) accident :-)
<wolfspraul> what happened is that I didn't wait long enough for the cyanoacrylate to cure before tilting the pcb, upon which it ran down the pcb and into 3 USB connectors with plugs inserted
<wolfspraul> those 3 plugs are now connected for life, it seems :-)
<roh> ghrhr
<wolfspraul> I tried to remove them but fear breaking the pcb or solder joints. so next I guess I need to try acetone or nitromethane as a solvent?
<wolfspraul> anybody done this before?
<wolfspraul> roh: yeah, well :-)
<wolfspraul> it's ok. learning.
<wolfspraul> can't believe how strong those USB connectors seem now, amazing
<wolfspraul> I mean the inserted plugs. as if they would have been produced like this.
<wolfspraul> seems the cyanoacrylate travels along surfaces well...
<wolfspraul> roh: any chance a solvent can follow the path the super glue took into the connector and solve it all?
<wolfspraul> maybe I can dip the entire pcb in a bath of acetone? :-)
<wolfspraul> who knows what else that might break though
<roh> wolfspraul: not sure
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<wolfspraul> cladamw: hi good evening - still there?
<cladamw> wolfspraul, hi yes
<wolfspraul> ah hi :-)
<wolfspraul> I accidentally had some super glue (cyanoacrylate) run into some USB connectors with USB plugs inserted at that time
<wolfspraul> and now they are inserted for life :-)
<wolfspraul> question: how can I free them again?
<wolfspraul> solvents seem to be acetone or nitromethane
<wolfspraul> have you used them?
<roh> wolfspraul: whatever you try.. do an experiment first. glue some garbage and try your solvents
<wolfspraul> should I just try with a drop of acetone, or can I dip the entire pcb into acetone?
<wolfspraul> roh: let's see whether Adam knows something. whatever nastiness you can imagine, I think Adam did it already at least once :-)
<roh> make sure you have a window open
<wolfspraul> don't tell me that, I live in Beijing
<roh> i am told that air in beijing is like smoking cigarettes.. thats still better than to fall over from acetone
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<roh> not sure if its really that extreme. wasnt there yet
<wolfspraul> who knows, but of course your comment is appreciated
<wolfspraul> chemicals should be treated seriously
<wolfspraul> cladamw: we can chat about the glue & solvent tomorrow, it's late...
<cladamw> wolfspraul, well...i cleaned and dissolved before, can't find an real english name, and brand, p/n to you now. I need to search more from Chinese products then backwarding to know. sorry.
<wolfspraul> no need
<wolfspraul> I will try acetone :-)
<cladamw> ha... your trial and error will surely give quickly an answer. :-)
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<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5cfd8a7
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6a557e0
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ddc990f
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: enable-silent-console.patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b04298a
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot silent console (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ca4d2cb
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: ben nanonote: forward patches to linux-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/fd6b4ce
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: kernel-3.0: add fbcon color fonts patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/56ecc9b
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: base-files: add hostname (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d330cd2
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: update config-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3bdb480
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: ben nanonote: first add WPAN(atben,atusb) driver (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/dc637c9
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add WPAN(atben,atusb) kernel module file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f2ec0f1
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: WPAN: disable AutoLoad on at86rf230, spi_atben. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a7b1c79
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst qi_lb60 disable WPAN kernel options (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/77d2842
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: change load kernel size (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d53cef1
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: add nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9a8198f
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: select the nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ed618f2
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: this commit break the ks7010 driver. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/abf0eb0
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: wpan.mk: fix typo thanks blogic and jivs (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/15eef95
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote base file: change the openDNS to Google public DNS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/555da26
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update xburst qi_lb60 to linux-v3.2.1 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2361a3f
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: compile-openwrt-xburst.sh code style cleanup (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4e7ae65
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<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ed45158
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/610823a
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/65057cd
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: enable-silent-console.patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ae29c39
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot silent console (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8eccd43
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: ben nanonote: forward patches to linux-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1c406da
<qi-bot> [commit] kyak: kernel-3.0: add fbcon color fonts patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5d26452
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: base-files: add hostname (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/72e744f
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: update config-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5d17b9a
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: ben nanonote: first add WPAN(atben,atusb) driver (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9a1322f
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add WPAN(atben,atusb) kernel module file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/425f09d
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: WPAN: disable AutoLoad on at86rf230, spi_atben. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b47bece
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst qi_lb60 disable WPAN kernel options (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f0ca970
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: change load kernel size (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/627ee5c
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: add nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e1ec182
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: select the nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/90f7279
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: this commit break the ks7010 driver. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8fa1337
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: wpan.mk: fix typo thanks blogic and jivs (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/484be41
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote base file: change the openDNS to Google public DNS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/76c9a5d
<qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update xburst qi_lb60 to linux-v3.2.1 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c2528ed
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<jow_laptop> seems net/mac802154/main.c needs an #include <linux/module.h>
<jow_laptop> (regarding the latest build fails above)
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<larsc> linux/export.h contains MODULE_EXPORT and friends now (module.h still includes export.h though)
<jow_laptop> ah ok
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<whitequark> aha! osPID (which is really opensource) is shipping, and my one is going to me already!
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