<kristianpaul>
hmm whats going on with qi-hardware server...
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<kristianpaul>
xiangfu: hi
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: hi :)
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: are you doing some maintenance with qi-hw server?
<xiangfu>
same here. I also cannot open qi-hardware.com
<kristianpaul>
xiangfu: hi :)
<xiangfu>
Hi. good morning. :)
<kristianpaul>
hello :)
<kristianpaul>
do you have know issues trying to detect the slx9 on the ftg256 board?
<kristianpaul>
i have swiched usb cables but the detect command seems not working..
<kristianpaul>
i was about to enter wiki to re-check jtag connections but..
<xiangfu>
how you poweron the ftg256 board? direct use your computer power?
<kristianpaul>
i used power from usb yes
<kristianpaul>
but vref seems to be okay as it dint complain when i power on the board
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<kristianpaul>
:)
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<lkcl>
ah HAAAAAHAAHAAA! sander from ingenic sent me the PADS file and the schematics for the jz4770 PCB - yippeee!
<wpwrak>
bah. you should have asked for kicad :)
* lkcl
snorts
<lkcl>
well.... when someone works out how to run MS-Pascal on linux, then it'll be possible to run that free "PADS-to-KiCAD" PCB converter sitting on sourceforge...
<lkcl>
i tracked it down - it's the only program that can do conversion that's actually free software, but it's written in bloody pascal
* lkcl
goes cross-eyed
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<wpwrak>
at least not in BLISS :)
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<lkcl>
ha ha
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<DocScrutinizer05>
err wut? MS-Pascal? I'd hope it's sufficiently standard Pascal to be sourcecode compatible to commonly available pascal in gcc
<DocScrutinizer05>
was it in gcc? or was it something on top of gcc?
* DocScrutinizer05
mumbles "*M*S*-pascal!!" and starts to cough
<wpwrak>
there is no usable "standard pascal" :)
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<DocScrutinizer05>
hmm, that actually sounds about correct
<wpwrak>
i grew up with it :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
for a converter however it should suffice
<wpwrak>
string functions ? good luck :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
since you have a clearly specified number of filehandles to list in porgram header
<wpwrak>
well, let's start easy: strings.
<DocScrutinizer05>
pascal strings are not C strings, yes
<wpwrak>
and anything that goes beyond wirth is rather non-portable
<wpwrak>
and of course, you need that VERY quickly if you intend to do anything with strings
<DocScrutinizer05>
TP FTW
<DocScrutinizer05>
or Modula which looks rather similar to TurboP
<wpwrak>
blargh. clunkier than COBOL.
<DocScrutinizer05>
I had the "pleasure" to use Siemens PASCAL-M for years, and I had to do hacks like store and replace the opaque content of the filehandle, to manage an arbitrary number of files to open concurrently
<wpwrak>
;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
honestly, "program foobar(file: in, file: out);" how stupid is THAT?
<wpwrak>
well, "submarine patents" are just a specific form of patent attacks
<wpwrak>
the only "safe" way to avoid trouble would be to get a binding declaration from every holder of any patent that they either don't consider your technology to infringe or that they agree with your use (likely in exchange for some compensation)
<wpwrak>
well, any patent up to the date when you froze your technology
<wpwrak>
if you make any change, the clock resets and you also need to talk to the patent holders that have filed in between
<wpwrak>
and that doesn't even explore the possibility of a patent holder changing their mind and challenging the binding nature of a previous declaration
* whitequark
shrugs
<whitequark>
that's unrealistic
<whitequark>
I don't really see how you could get better than the current state with VP8
<larsc>
let it put it this way the chance being sued over patents for using vp8 have been lowered quite a bit
<wpwrak>
actually, considering that some legal systems don't consider a contract without a quid pro quo invalid, you'd probably even have to license the ones that don't apply, just to err on the safe side. there are some 6 M patents worldwide in 2006. now we're probably around 8 M
<wpwrak>
(if not more, with china entering the game)
<wpwrak>
larsc: yes, i'd agree with that. the main bully has been neutralized.
<wpwrak>
whitequark: and yes, of course it's unrealistic. that's what patents are about :) there is no defense that works. well, perhaps except owning a heavily armed rogue state :)
<larsc>
or a hoarde of laywers ;)
<whitequark>
iirc google has provided their patents resulting from motorola purchase to samsung
<wpwrak>
larsc: yeah, they can at least delay until the other side thinks it's not worth it
* whitequark
idly wonders why a photoreceptive protein is "strongly expressed in brain and testis tissue"
<whitequark>
OPN3 gene / Opsin-3 protein
<wpwrak>
maybe that's where "thinking with one's dick" has its origin
<whitequark>
that would be "looking"
<whitequark>
also liver kidney and whatnot
<wpwrak>
maybe some optical computing ? :)
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<whitequark>
it seems so
<whitequark>
in the brain, it _somehow_ regulates circadic rhytms
<whitequark>
and... During meiosis, marked upregulation takes place for many genes unrelated to the meiotic process, and many of these transcripts are not translated into protein (Eddy and O’Brien, 1998). Thus, it is unclear whether encephalopsin in these spermatids plays a functional role.
<wpwrak>
well, they need to see where they're going, don't they ? :)
<wpwrak>
but why the sudden interest in molecular biology ?
<whitequark>
not that sudden
<whitequark>
well I stumbled upon that gene accidentally
<whitequark>
but given my background I already had the knowledge to understand that it makes no sense and also where to look for details
<whitequark>
curiosity.
<whitequark>
haha, we don't know what it does but you can order antibodies for it online for several hundred bucks
<wpwrak>
i wonder if russian babies have their vodka diluted with milk ? or do they start directly with regular stuff ?
<viric>
:)
<whitequark>
viric: what
<viric>
the idiom, looks to me unhigienic
<whitequark>
wpwrak: there was a headline not too long ago; a baby died due to enormous alcohol concentration in breast milk
<whitequark>
you are not too far off :(
<whitequark>
viric: unhygienic? I don't get why...
<viric>
well, in my language, "makes no sense" sounds like you put the blame on others, for something you don't understand.
<wpwrak>
whitequark: mix the antibodies with markers that attract the t-cells and you're there :)
<viric>
so for me it's a very aggressive wording
<viric>
but I see russians say it very often
<viric>
for something they don't understand.
<whitequark>
wpwrak: you'd then get an autoimmune reaction, i.e. inflammation of brain, testes, liver, ...
<whitequark>
so, the rats will quite certainly die
<whitequark>
what you meant to perform is "gene knockout"
<whitequark>
i.e. a modification of DNA performed to disable that particular gene and look at the results
<whitequark>
I'm fairly sure someone will do that, earlier or later.
<whitequark>
viric: hm. aggressive. I didn't even realize it is an idiom
<whitequark>
the implied continuation is "makes no sense [to me]"
<viric>
for me, "makes no sense" means "you must be wrong, because I don't understand"
<wpwrak>
whitequark: yeah, the knockout may be gentler. kill the thing at the root.
<whitequark>
i.e. almost exactly the same as "I don't understand", coupled maybe with the fact that at least an attempt of understanding was performed
<whitequark>
if you just don't get it, it's "I don't understand". if you think for five minutes and still don't get it even remotely, it "makes no sense"
<viric>
I guess it's some kind of cultural shock :)
<whitequark>
probably
<wpwrak>
viric: you could say "makes no sense ... to me". of just stop at "makes no" and down another vodka. everybody will appreciate the need for a vodka break after two whole words.
<viric>
:)
<whitequark>
fuck vodka jokes, they're way too old.
<larsc>
that all makes no sense ;)
<viric>
when someone tells me "makes no sense", I feel pushed not to help understanding :)
<viric>
hehe
* whitequark
was about to write "that makes no sense", but noticed how larsc already did that
<wpwrak>
whitequark: wow, a russian who gets offended by vodka jokes. i thought that would be impossible :)
<viric>
for me, "makes no sense" ~= "It can't be understood"
<whitequark>
wpwrak: as the time passes, I want to be identified as russian less and less.
<viric>
I'm trying to find out how I map that.
<wpwrak>
ah, voting ended in the falklands. now let's see what the counts show. i wonder if it'll be floor(votes) = 100% or only round(votes) = 100%.
<whitequark>
viric: hm, is "it can't be understood" an idiom in English? let's check
<viric>
I map that to the Catalan "no s'entén".
<wpwrak>
whitequark: don't worry, spring is coming :)
<viric>
wpwrak: do you understand the spanish "No se entiende" ?
<wpwrak>
i'd translate it as "it's incomprehensible"
<viric>
That's how I map "makes no sense"
<viric>
If I'm alone on that...
<wpwrak>
but with a slant towards "i can't understand", given that the literal generalization would be of little relevance
<viric>
maybe I don't have to speak about "russians use that idiom" :)
<viric>
ok, I'll take that as my particular approach then.
<whitequark>
actually, I've just realized that I don't know which particular russian phrase maps to "makes no sense" in my mind
<wpwrak>
similar to "everybody is suffering under the extreme heat". of course, there may be some folks who don't. and in general we're no interested in finding out.
<viric>
whitequark: I noticed that only in russians speaking in English
<whitequark>
if that *really* makes *totally no sense*, it would be "bullshit"
<whitequark>
aka чушь
<viric>
whitequark: это не понятно
<larsc>
I say "makes no sense" all the time
<wpwrak>
hmm, interesting
<viric>
do you take it similar to не понимаю?
<whitequark>
"бессмыслица" (senseless stuff) is quite literary and isn't encountered often in speech
<whitequark>
viric: hm
<wpwrak>
so if you think "it makes no sense", it literally makes no sense in your mind
<wpwrak>
of you think of a dog, so you hear some faint barking from between your ears ?
<wpwrak>
s/of/if/
<qi-bot>
wpwrak meant: "if you think if a dog, so you hear some faint barking from between your ears ?"
<wpwrak>
grr
<wpwrak>
that was without /g !
<whitequark>
viric: kind of
<viric>
I didn't understand a word about the dog
<whitequark>
same here
<whitequark>
that just made no sense
<whitequark>
*ahem*
<viric>
:)
<larsc>
I see the dog
<whitequark>
viric: yes, I think that "не понимаю" might well map to "makes no sense"
<whitequark>
but the reason is unclear to me
<viric>
for me, "to me" is very important
<viric>
like you used here "unclear to me"
<viric>
without it, sounds to me very pretentious
<viric>
I've to do some effort to avoid offension.
<viric>
language nuances.
<viric>
these things may start wars.
<viric>
:)
<wpwrak>
(dog) the - currently challenged by scientific discoveries of the last millennia - idea that, when you think of something, the very object manifests itself in your head. in the case of "makes no sense", your brain would therefore assume the configuration of making no sense. qed.
<whitequark>
hm, I'd never distinguish between the latter two
<viric>
hm I seem to recall an article about that
<whitequark>
maybe because "clear" is always subjective
<viric>
I remember a story about a CCCР diplomat, and "не понятно"