<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: oh, I misread the previous message
<whitequark>
thought "dummy" meant no modem
<whitequark>
nevermind
<wpwrak>
nicksydney: you have to put "dsv" somewhere in your path. e.g., cd eda-tools/dsv; cp dsv /usr/local/bin/
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: works now...it's waiting at dsv setup BOOKSHELD
<DocScrutinizer05>
I need eagle professional, we had a pretty silly oopsie in PCB layout that I for sure had been able to catch if I were able to properly open and edit/work on the 4 sheet, 2 PCB "project"
<wpwrak>
nicksydney: yup. it's a nice display. i'm glad i found that company - the displays you get at digi-key and such often suck (pricy, sometimes with some monstrous "value-added" pcb, etc.)
<wpwrak>
nicksydney: hmm, there's that little thing called copyright, maybe you've heard of it ? :)
<wpwrak>
some companies actually bark already at "deep linking". but i choose ignore that level of silliness.
<whitequark>
wpwrak: at worst github will receive a dmca notice and promptly remove the pdf... that'll be about it
<wpwrak>
naw, let's not get down that route
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: didn't think about the copyright thingy ..oh well
<wpwrak>
"dsv" solves the problem nicely everyone has a "clean" copy, and if something really disappears for good, we can always try to bring it back to life from our local copies
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<wpwrak>
that's a biggie :)
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: this errored out .. 2013-11-29 12:08:06 URL:http://cache.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/user_guide/FRDMKL25ZUM.zip [2040082/2040082] -> ".dsv/FRDM-KL25Z-User-FRDMKL25ZUM.zip" [1]
<whitequark>
wait, this means the logger is 2.5 years old... how time flies
<whitequark>
3.5 even. oh.
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<whitequark>
oh, no, I've imported qi-hw logs from the past, so no
<wpwrak>
time travel is so confusing :)
<whitequark>
so it's just 2.03 years old
<whitequark>
still feels like a lot
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<whitequark>
so I just learned that if you get cyanoacrylate glue on your fingers and can't get rid of the nasty feeling, dremel with an abrasive disc on low speed works excellent
<whitequark>
could also use sandpaper, I guess, but this is faster and more fun
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<nicksydney>
wpwrak: my internet connection is DAMN slow today the checkout is still going on...that and also doesnt' help that i'm mirroing Android repo
<wpwrak>
wow. there isn't THAT much stuff :)
<wpwrak>
whitequark: use the one that's not sticky ? :) (liquid vs. gel)
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: too many checking out source code i guess for me :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
nonsticky glue?
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: well, it's still sticky, but it's easier to control. so you won't get it on your fingers.
<DocScrutinizer05>
OOOOH cyano ACRYLATE
<DocScrutinizer05>
also available in glass clear, for gluing glass
<DocScrutinizer05>
hardens in UV
<DocScrutinizer05>
does this maybe give you ideas?
<DocScrutinizer05>
:-D
<DocScrutinizer05>
ACRYLate
<DocScrutinizer05>
now?
<wpwrak>
3D printing ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
think of your windows in anelok
<DocScrutinizer05>
also: hardens with UV! so pretty easy to keep from hardening at all, before you're content with the application and positioning
<wpwrak>
smear superglue on them, to make them look "naturally bumpy" ?
<DocScrutinizer05>
liquids have a tendency to establish smooth surfaces
<wpwrak>
they're not *that* liquid
<wpwrak>
more like honey
<DocScrutinizer05>
and placed between two clear objects it could close the air gap and wouldn't flow away
<wpwrak>
and they react with moisture
<DocScrutinizer05>
no not all are like honey and not all react with moisture
<wpwrak>
.. and could trap air bubbles
<DocScrutinizer05>
then redo before you switch on the UV lamp
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: um, no, this one is liquid, clear and volatile (non-viscous), but UV is definitely not the trigger for hardening
<whitequark>
according to the manual it's pressure
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: UV is a special type
<whitequark>
goddamn, I tried to wash it off with water
<whitequark>
that was dumb
<DocScrutinizer05>
meh, guess why you dentist uses a UV lamp to harden your fillings
<wpwrak>
article doesn't even mention UV curing
<DocScrutinizer05>
guess what happened when it would harden with moisture in yur breath and mouth
<wpwrak>
are you sure they're not using something else ?
<wpwrak>
it would cure as well ? :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
I definitely know there's a superglue for glass that's invisible and needs "sunlight" to harden
<DocScrutinizer05>
some even say "or FL"
<wpwrak>
whitequark: no, that's actually good. that way, is hardens very quickly, which makes it brittle. comes off more easily.
<whitequark>
wpwrak: I didn't see much difference
<DocScrutinizer05>
smarter way to remove most of it is a not so sharp knife
<wpwrak>
whitequark: you probably weren't fast enough. i think you only have seconds to pull off that trick.
<DocScrutinizer05>
to brush it away as long as liquid
<whitequark>
wpwrak: I think it took me 5, max 10 seconds
<wpwrak>
hmm. maybe murphy just didn't like you :)
<whitequark>
and it was light white and matte afterwards, not glossy and transparent as usual
<DocScrutinizer05>
I think you have ~30s to use a paper or knife or something, before it hardens
<whitequark>
I have never successfully removed it with paper, even if I tried to do that immediately
<DocScrutinizer05>
yes, that happens to the water hardening stuff when enough water available
<whitequark>
it just results in paper stuck over the glue, which makes the stuff even more disgusting
<whitequark>
ew
<DocScrutinizer05>
not with the flat paper, with the edge
<DocScrutinizer05>
and fast
<whitequark>
oh
<whitequark>
I see
<DocScrutinizer05>
or snip it away with your fingernail
<whitequark>
maybe also ambient t° is a factor. it's 27° here, so it should harden quite fast
<DocScrutinizer05>
humidity definitely is a factor
<DocScrutinizer05>
unless it#s the UV type
<whitequark>
well I've no idea what humidity here is
<whitequark>
nothing to measure it with, even
<whitequark>
>Applying cyanoacrylate to some materials made of cotton or wool (such as cotton swabs, cotton balls, and certain yarns or fabrics) results in a powerful, rapid exothermic reaction. The heat released may cause serious burns,[19] ignite the cotton product, or release irritating white smoke.
<whitequark>
ooo I know what do I do with the remaining glue
<DocScrutinizer05>
glasglar, unter Tageslicht (UV) schnell aushärtender
<DocScrutinizer05>
Spezialkleber für die Klebung von Glas und Kristallglas
<DocScrutinizer05>
n8
<wpwrak>
whitequark: lemme see if i have some superglue at home ... :)
<whitequark>
absolutely nothing happens to a "100% cotton" swab
<whitequark>
but try it too, maybe some of the vendors lied
<whitequark>
hm, maybe wool will work better
<whitequark>
mmh, no wool I want to destroy
<wpwrak>
3 ml of the gel type, which i don't like anyway. and 2 ml of the liquid type. but ... 00:47 may not be the best time for some explosives experiments ...
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: interesting. so it does exist.
<whitequark>
wpwrak: meh, it won't be loud anyway...
<whitequark>
in open space
<whitequark>
it's not even an explosion
<whitequark>
the citation points to Clarke, TFE (March 2011). "Superglue (Cyanoacrylate) in the Nose"
<whitequark>
... does that mean it spontaneously combusts in contact with nose hair?
<whitequark>
I do not wish to be the one discovering this fascinating fact
<wpwrak>
hmm, i once tossed one of those small gunpowder-filled firecracker balls into the grill. the bang was deafening. also broke the ceramic tile on which it landed.
<wpwrak>
(looking for "liquid vaseline", to oil my airbrush)
<whitequark>
" Because it does not add fat or calories, is indicated as replacement of vegetable oils in low calorie diets. They can be used, eg a few drops in a salad dressing."
<whitequark>
ew, indeed
<wpwrak>
google's translations are getting pretty good
<wpwrak>
but yes, the dependencies need updating. it tries to clone it, but only far too late
<wpwrak>
interesting. i just managed to set up dependencies such that it does check out bare-metal-arm and builds things. but i have no clue why that works :)
<wpwrak>
there are some side-effects, though. e.g., "make clean" first tries to build everything. not very clever ...
<whitequark>
lol
<wpwrak>
let's pick a more pedestrian approach ...
<wpwrak>
yeah, that looks good. congratulations ! :)
<wpwrak>
now, cd ../hw and "make" that ...
<nicksydney>
ok
<wpwrak>
(in the non-IT sense)
<wpwrak>
ah, one general gotcha when it comes to things surrounding kicad: some scripts assume kicad can be controlled via command-line options. alas, that's not possible in this form with recent versions. so all those attempts will fail.
<wpwrak>
... except, that a) you should use the latest version (some file formats and file names changed), and b) don't apply the patches since they don't work
<wpwrak>
these patches would provide the command-line options. kicad nowadays has a scripting mechanism (which didn't exist back then) that could proabably be used to implement the same functionality these command-line options provide, maybe even with identical options, but that hasn't been done yet
<nicksydney>
ok we stop here first...i'm going to document the steps i did into a proper doc
<nicksydney>
:)
<nicksydney>
and once i'm done with that i want to continue and we pick it up from here
<wpwrak>
sounds good
<nicksydney>
and now time for me to do daddy duty :) will be back later tonight after doing daddy duties...hahahaaha
<wpwrak>
aha, family interrupt :)
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: hahahahah ....not only embedded has got interrupt..but this one has got the highest priority interrupt :)
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<larsc>
probably also a non-maskable interrupt
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<nicksydney>
wpwrak: i've completed the doc ..where shall I upload it to ?
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<wpwrak>
back from a catnap ...
<wpwrak>
you could clone the repo on gitorious and make a merge request. haven't used merging on gitorious. would be interesting to see how this works there.
<nicksydney>
ok
<nicksydney>
would it better text or .odt file /
<wpwrak>
oh, plain ASCII of course
<wpwrak>
the lower the barriers, the better
<nicksydney>
done..did you get merge request ?
<nicksydney>
ignote my Makefile that was included
<viric>
ucs16 with bom, the best
<nicksydney>
*ignote = ignore
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<nicksydney>
wpwrak: doing the kicad steps
<wpwrak>
thanks, got it ! need to find a way to get notifications, though. now let's see how to merge it ...
<wpwrak>
you picked version 3494. you should use just the latest.
<nicksydney>
ah you mean kicad ?
<wpwrak>
that's also why you god that kicad build problem that was fixed in 2012
<wpwrak>
yes
<wpwrak>
there've been a lot of changed in kicad in the last year. (finally :)
<nicksydney>
so shall i just do "bzr checkout lp:kicad kicad.bzr" again ?
<nicksydney>
or there is a "git pull" version for bzr :)
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: makefiles/Makefile.kicad (GERBERS): auto-choose between old and new file names (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/71ad8da
<wpwrak>
yeah, i told you about the changes on IRC. that README is still valid as far as the command-line patches are concerned.
<nicksydney>
i will make a note on the instruction doc
<wpwrak>
but anelok went ahead and uses current kicad. the command-line patches need to be reinterpreted for that. the last time i checked (some months ago), kicad wasn't ready for that. so we're in the middle of a messy transition
<wpwrak>
ah, and regarding the formatting: please make the lines no wider than 80 characters. except if it's a path/URL.
<wpwrak>
you could also trim the indentation. this sort of text is usually quite readable even with 2 or 4 spaces per level
<nicksydney>
ok
<nicksydney>
building kicad throwing few errors..fixing it
<wpwrak>
let's hope it's none of these "something wrong in a template - here are five pages of errors kinda explaining what"
<nicksydney>
haha
<nicksydney>
nope
<nicksydney>
it's bzip2
<nicksydney>
done..now compiling kicad
<nicksydney>
seems like the new kicad code download boost soure code by MD5 is mismatch .. http://pastebin.com/yLbzzkZ2
<wpwrak>
STM32F2 are more expensive than the KL2/KL25. they more powerful but also bigger - unless you get a BGA. but then, working with BGA is hairy. i.e., i can do everything at home with a QFN. for BGA, i would need multilayer PCBs and soldering would be considerably more demanding
<wpwrak>
STM32F2 have a built-in RNG, which would be very nice to have. so i'd love to revisit them in the future, for a possible 2nd generation device
<wpwrak>
but for now freescale are the most convenient choice
<nicksydney>
reading your thread about the device i was thinking what if we add bluetooth so that when it is left somewhere (when it is paired with your phone) you will get a notification about it
<nicksydney>
so it's like a notification of 'Don't leave home/office/wherever without it' :)
<nicksydney>
compiling is continuing ... man many dependencies need to be installed for kicad
<qwebirc52014>
thanks...now that everything is up and running i'm completing the docs...and will check it in
<qwebirc52014>
you mention about 80 character for the width ?
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<nicksydney>
80 for the column i meant
<wpwrak>
yup, so that it fits on standard punch cards and we don't have to buy the expensive oversized ones
<nicksydney>
punch cards ?
<nicksydney>
you lost me there
<nicksydney>
sounds like the 60 and 70s
<nicksydney>
:D
<wpwrak>
punch cards had 80 columns. that's where the standard line width comes from :)
<nicksydney>
yeah but i'm lost why you want it to fit on a standard punch cards...don't tell me people are printing on those :)
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<wpwrak>
it's the usual terminal width. if everybody adheres to the standard width, then you don't have problems with overlong lines or excessively wide windows
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: created another merge request
<nicksydney>
ok time for me to hit the bed...everything is setup locally...next step will be learning the hardware and look at the code ...will ping you tomorrow
<wpwrak>
kewl. thanks a lot ! i'll pick up the merge request in a bit
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<nicksydney>
wpwrak: morning
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: thanks for the merge saw it on the mainline
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<wpwrak>
i didn't catch that git doesn't preserve the committer on git cherry-pick -n so they all appear to be mine (unless you read the commit message). sorry about that.
<wpwrak>
a few things: does the kicad build problem from 2012 still strike ? seems that this should be long gone
<wpwrak>
also, i'd rather not have weird long paths in the instructions. instead of changing PREFIX one could just make symlinks. also, the two sets of instructions for package and tarball aren't clearly separated
<wpwrak>
and for fetching things from a neighbouring checked-out repo, we can simply use a relative path. i do that a lot already, so if someone had a different structure, nothing would work anyway ;-)
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<wpwrak>
i wonder if SDCC is still the only free choice for a C compiler than can stomach 8051