Topic for #ruby-lang is now Ruby 1.9.3p0: http://ruby-lang.org | Paste >3 Lines of Text on http://pastie.org
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<rue> The prouper spelling is moustache!
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<cornholio> test
<rue> Nope,
<rue> It looks li
<rue> I've seen a cuto
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<andrewvos> wut
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<rue> :)
<rue> Um, you guys noticed there's a fuckload of full-length movies on YouTube?
<andrewvos> rue: Umm, I was just watching some weird animated 90 minute thing. Found anything good?
<rue> Just came across Saving Private Ryan, all of Band of Brothers…
<rue> Saw 3D
<andrewvos> Hah. It's a trap?
<rue> Dunno
<rue> But I'm Flashgotting some stuff ;)
<andrewvos> Whoa
<andrewvos> rue: The entire movie is there :|
<rue> Exactly
<rue> I hope google's not tapping IRC before I find some more good stuff :P
<andrewvos> Leon!
<andrewvos> This is so weird
<andrewvos> Something must be broken
<rue> Yep
<rue> I wonder how the movies got there to begin with
<andrewvos> rue: They seem to be of Russian descent.
<andrewvos> So maybe the copyright department is on holiday or something.
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<rue> Could be, or someone found a hole to exploit
<andrewvos> Or the world just got awesome
<rue> There's comments on some from 10+ hours ago
<andrewvos> rue: Or everyone just stopped being bitches and accepted the truth http://torrentfreak.com/swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal-111202/
<rue> Ha
<andrewvos> rue: One of them is from August.
<andrewvos> rue: Wait, so streaming movies that are copyrighted is a felony in the US right?
<rue> I dunno
<rue> Watching the stream isn't :)
<andrewvos> rue: Or is that for companies that stream the movies. Can't remember.
* andrewvos is never going to live in the US.
<rue> This one's coming down over 8 MBps o.o
<rue> Wonder if there's some local peer storage
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<andrewvos> rue: ^
<rue> I'm watching TF3
<andrewvos> There's a Hackers 2?
<andrewvos> WTF
<andrewvos> rue: tf3?
<petercooper> in Hackers 2 they hack the Fender
<injekt> *cringe*
<injekt> you guys are up late
<injekt> or early
<rue> Late
<andrewvos> It's 4 here :|
<injekt> andrewvos: that's what I meant
<andrewvos> Meh
<injekt> 4 for you and petercooper
<injekt> and.. 5/6? for rue
<rue> 6
<petercooper> as late as a British train
<andrewvos> petercooper is a Brit
<injekt> yes
<rue> andrewvos: Transformers 3
<injekt> I'm back in the land of brit on monday :)
<andrewvos> Nice
<rue> The winter war movie's up there too
<injekt> yeah, visiting family for xmas
<andrewvos> Winter war?
<andrewvos> injekt: Awesome. I'm visiting family in California for christmas. Can't wait to leave this country.
<injekt> andrewvos: haha
<imperator> andrewvos, where do you live now?
<injekt> andrewvos: Not gonna lie, I'm looking forward to leaving once I'm there
<andrewvos> imperator: Wandsworth
<imperator> what country?
<injekt> lol
<rue> Wandsworth, Germany
<andrewvos> imperator: Oh,England.
<petercooper> a.k.a the place with the imax
<andrewvos> petercooper: There's an IMAX here? I don't do much in Wandsworth, other than leave to other places :)
<imperator> can't wait to get back to cctv? gotcha
<petercooper> actually, from google maps it looks like it's no longer there
<rue> Oo, Spy Kids 4
<petercooper> but it's been many years since I've been in that area :)
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<injekt> petercooper: the one near waterloo? that's the only imax I know about
<andrewvos> I had a presentation by the company I was working for at the time in that IMAX.
<injekt> thing is mahoosive
<andrewvos> Yea
<rue> I don't understand it. There's no (obvious) sign of hackage, comments from weeks ago &c. What happen, youtube?
<andrewvos> rue: It's as if everything they turned off after copyright requests has just been turned back on.
<andrewvos> Which means they still storing these videos, and therefore are breaking the law.
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<andrewvos> This is great.
<rue> See how long it lasts…
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<headius> zenspider: ping
<andrewvos> Right I'm watching Leon and falling asleep. Thanks for this Internet! xxx
<headius> someone should update the topic...it still says 1.9.2
<injekt> no it doesn't oO
<headius> oh, the chanserv notice does
<injekt> ahh
<headius> ChanServ: [#ruby-lang] Ruby - The programming language, http://ruby-lang.org | Ruby 1.9.2 is out | Read http://ruby.stadik.net/ | Paste >3 Lines of Text on http://pastie.org
<injekt> drbrain: ^
<headius> and pastie...nobody uses pastie anymore
<injekt> hah, you'd be surprised
<petercooper> though, to be fair, it's true, ruby 1.9.2 is still out
<injekt> I much prefer gist, though
<headius> gist is the way
<petercooper> I use pastie quite a bit (as well as gist)
<injekt> I use the gist plugin for vim, so never use pastie myself
<petercooper> pastie for throwaway, gist for stuff I want to keep around
<petercooper> otherwise i'd clog up my gist with random nonsense
<injekt> petercooper: psh, gist -a
<injekt> no excuses!
<petercooper> which does?
<injekt> anonymous
<petercooper> why isn't that feature on the web?
<shevy> hehe
* imperator uses pastie
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<injekt> petercooper: I guess it just doesn't use your creds, maybe they should add a 'delete after x' or something
<injekt> I dont know, pasting stuff into online forms is so last year
<petercooper> Ah cool, hadn't noticed you could post gists without being logged in before
<headius> I use gist command
<imperator> what's the advantage of gist over pastie?
<injekt> that's what we're talking about, headius :D
<headius> imperator: revisions, comments
<headius> more syntax support
<injekt> multiple files without extra formatting
<headius> yeah
<headius> and then it gives you an embed html to inline it into a page
<headius> much better stuff than pastie
<headius> anyway, nite nite
<injekt> I like that as a user, you can star gists as favorites, like tweets, too
<imperator> oic
<injekt> that's dope
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<shevy> gisted tweets?
<injekt> what?
<rue> shevy: Starred gists.
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<shevy> hmmmmm
<shevy> michael jackson dancing on gists
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<amh345> hrm. using net/ftp, how can i open/define a directory to upload to? i can only seem to upload to the root dir.
<imperator> cd to it first?
<amh345> not sure how. trying to find some information. what i have is http://pastie.org/2963147
<amh345> i figured it out
<imperator> yay!
<amh345> it worked a little different than i was thinking.
<amh345> is there a solid way to find out if the upload was successful?
<amh345> compare local size with remote size?
<imperator> i would think the method would fail
<imperator> but, you could double check i suppose, sure
<amh345> is .size the most accurate way to get the file size? local.size == remote.size?
<shevy> amh345 I would not know of any other way than File.size to get the size of the file
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<bnagy> imperator: ping
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<ik_5> hello
<ik_5> does anyone have experience with soap4r ?
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<imperator> used it to interface with sympa a while back, but i wouldn't consider myself an expert
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<ik_5> imperator, i have a method that contain 2 parameters, but ruby want only one. have you encountered something like that ?
<andrewvos> ik_5: Maybe you need to use a hash?
<ik_5> andrewvos, the first parameter is a hash, the second is "int" in the wsdl
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<ik_5> i tried to make it as one big hash, but the server did not like it
<andrewvos> ik_5: What are you trying to do?
<ik_5> andrewvos, to talk with a C# server and send it methods (functions) and get answers back
<andrewvos> ik_5: And you don't want to use c#
<ik_5> andrewvos, can't use it. the client side is actually php, but i frist try to make it work in ruby, because on both languages there are problems with the soap (but different ones)
<andrewvos> ik_5: You can do what you want with plain ruby, if you can work out what xml to send.
<ik_5> andrewvos, regarding soap the only xml i'm willing to send, is the xml of death :)
<ik_5> i don't know how to structure the xml :(
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<andrewvos> ik_5: Use SoapUI or something to work out what to send.
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<imperator> friggin netsplit actually froze my irc client
<imperator> never seen that before
<imperator> looks like we lost a bunch
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<andrewvos> meh
<andrewvos> still lots around
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<ik_5> they update the servers, and a lot of net-splits
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<andrewvos> ik_5: Use SoapUI or something to work out what to send.
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<andrewvos> ik_5: ^ before you lost connection
<ik_5> andrewvos, just installed it :) thanks
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<pbjorklund> How can i assert that "a" is > "z"? Tried assert assigns(:products).first[0] > assigns(:products).last[0]
<yxhuvud> uh, "a" is < "z"
<imperator> seems a strange assertion
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<pbjorklund> Oh well, thats a silly typo of me. Still the problem is that I get undefined method '<'
<imperator> then you don't have the object you think you have
<pbjorklund> Oh, forgot about irb. Should have just done a few runs in there to figure out that "" actually has <
<pbjorklund> imperator: Exactly. Sorry for bothering.
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<imperator> np
<ik_5> when soapui and soap4r have the same returns, i know that my side is ok :)
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<shevy> hmm ... how to do conditional includes? 'include Foo if defined?(Foo)' ?
<apeiros_> sure
<apeiros_> include is just a method, after all
<shevy> kk thx
<imperator2> buggery.rb
<imperator2> oops
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> secret_plan_to_kill_imperator_and_seize_power.rb
<imperator2> :-P
<apeiros_> obviously he has been already killed once…
<apeiros_> after all, he's already the second…
<shevy> damn zombie powers
<shevy> lately I watched Invasion of the body snatchers again
<shevy> they are also zombies! though spawned through a plant
<shevy> I also watched the original one a few years ago, it's really ripe with anti-communism messages :)
<imperator2> shevy, except they do talk a little bit at various points
<shevy> ah yeah
<shevy> the average zombie tends to moan and growl
<shevy> it simplifies dialogue options greatly though
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<bnagy> I thought the bodysnatchers did that inhaling shriek thing
<imperator2> they do that too
<imperator2> depends on the version, though
<bnagy> I wonder if you get paid by the actors guild as having a line for 'urgggh'.. I bet not
<imperator2> i dunno, isn't that all kristen stewart does in twilight? :-P
<bnagy> not seen it :>
<imperator2> i saw 30 minutes and gave up; may as well have been a zombie movie for how boring it was
<bnagy> I actually read the books
<bnagy> gave me a fascinating insight into american culture
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<imperator2> oh dear
<shevy> I can proudly say that I never watched Twilight!
<imperator2> bnagy, dare i ask what insight you gleaned?
<shevy> haha
<bnagy> 90% of them are retarded?
* apeiros_ wants people to watch japanese 'heidi' films to get an insight into swiss culture…
<bnagy> like srsly... if that not only sells but has a cult following...
<apeiros_> bnagy: that's more than the 80% I'd give the world overall…
<bnagy> it's not even the content of the books, it's the fact that they're popular
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<bnagy> although the tropes are pretty hilarious
<imperator2> bnagy, well, we're talking movies aimed mainly at the teenage girl crowd
<shevy> apeiros_ are these on youtube?
<deryldoucette> imperator2++
<shevy> I only remember the main theme
<imperator2> i don't think your average adult american likes those movies
<apeiros_> shevy: no idea
<apeiros_> I only know that there's a japanese 'heidi' tv series
<apeiros_> and that it's supposedly popular
<deryldoucette> they are not an indictment of american culture. nor are they to be read as a view into american culture. its aimed as fanatasy reading for teenage girls.
<deryldoucette> big deal
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<deryldoucette> wow people make big deals out of everything and read so much into stuff
<bnagy> uh huh
<imperator2> i learned everything about swiss culture from The Third Man :-P
<bnagy> 'nothing I don't like reflects on US literary culture'
* deryldoucette rolls his eyes and ignores the ignorant
<rippa> Sturgeon's law
<apeiros_> imperator2: I don't even know what that is…
<bnagy> 'ow these eggs are BIG'?
<deryldoucette> rippa: pretty much
<imperator2> apeiros_, old movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv1QDlWbS8g
<bnagy> oh wow, 'ignorant' this is priceless
<bnagy> oo oo, so what _should_ I be reading, deryldoucette?
<bnagy> what's the literary window into the american zeitgeist?
<imperator2> too much cultural diversity for that to be easy to answer
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<manveru> imperator2: the third man, isn't that playing in vienna?
<tbuehlmann> correct
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<jkyle> how do I uninstall all gems installed by bundler
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<rue> You'd think that'd be supported, but then it's Bundler
<jkyle> for realz?
<andrewvos> bundle clean?
<rue> Guess you can list and remove, and then use a gemset next time
<andrewvos> rm -rf
<rue> Why isn't clean listed in help?
<andrewvos> rue: Cause it doesn't exist
<rue> Logical
<andrewvos> rue: Take it you don't like bundler?
<rue> I think I can just rest my case
<erikh> ha
<erikh> I think the next version will be worth enjoying
<andrewvos> rue: There's nothing better though?
<erikh> it's definitely nice for chef
<jkyle> I think I did create a gemset, I have this (for example): ~/.rvm/gems/ruby-1.9.2-p290@redmine/gems/rails-2.3.5
<andrewvos> jkyle: rvm gemset clean
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<jkyle> no clean method, maybe rvm gemset delete redmine@1.9.2-p90?
<jkyle> or clear?
<andrewvos> jkyle: Yeah somethin glike that
<jkyle> I have to admit, managing these things in ruby is a skill in itself
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<erikh> understanding your toolchain is just as important as understanding the language
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<erikh> you'll find C is much, much more involved
<rue> Also not having a sucky toolchain
<andrewvos> Make something better then.
<jkyle> I come from c++
<erikh> I'd argue bundler is just a product of its environment
<jkyle> amongst others
<erikh> but I don't want to offend anyone
<jkyle> sure, c/c++ is more involved...but it's c/c++ :P
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<jkyle> not a big woop, really. every language has its warts :)
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<shevy> WHAT
<shevy> RUBY HAS WARTS
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> in ancient times, we had no rvm, no rubygems, no bundler
<shevy> I liked the old days
<shevy> except for rdoc frames. I always hated them
<erikh> heh
<erikh> and to think
<erikh> rvm uses "dinosaur tools"
<jkyle> when I was using ruby last, there were no gems or bundler. but I remember gems being more of a pain then hehe
<andrewvos> surely
<shevy> I wonder why matz didn't think of any gem-like functionality in the past
<erikh> I kind of miss setup.rb
<shevy> :)
<erikh> I think a jar-style approach would be better anyhow
<andrewvos> erikh: Really?
<erikh> you get bundler for free more or less that way
<jkyle> though, seems like a wart that could use some burning. serves as a barrier to entry
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<andrewvos> erikh: I suppose jars are nice in their implementation.
<andrewvos> Well, in their usage I mean.
<andrewvos> Just put some jars in a directory.
<erikh> right, you just need suitable tooling to create them
<rue> I never liked the random scattering of jars, though.
<erikh> you could still have "gems" but have tools to install them into jars
<rue> I don't think rbx's .rba functionality has kept up to date
<erikh> I started playing with an idea like that
<erikh> gem -> jar
<erikh> download the gems, unpack them into a dir, jar the dir
<andrewvos> So there's nothing that offers a `require "gemfile.gem"` functionality?
<erikh> not really
<erikh> ruby just doesn't work that way under the hood
<andrewvos> erikh: It could though.
<erikh> e.g., it's not like perl's `use`
<erikh> eh, monkeypatching makes that hard
<erikh> (or java's `import` for that matter)
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<jkyle> I think if the language has issues with tight coupling to gem versions, baking a solution into the language isn't a bad thing
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<andrewvos> This looks very useful http://jondot.github.com/moxy/
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<jkyle> so, I deployed a bundle based app, but the deployment didn't update the gems with the new Gemfile reqs
<andrewvos> jkyle: You need to bundle update
<andrewvos> jkyle: Wait, are you distributing a Gemfile.lock?
<jkyle> it's n the repo, so delete lock then update?
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<ryanf> you don't need to bundle update if you changed the reqs in the gemfile
<ryanf> just bundle install
<ryanf> and it'll relock automatically
<jkyle> k
<jkyle> I figured it out, I'd committed but not pushed and it pulls from the main repo
<ryanf> you probably don't want to delete the .lock since it will still be controlling the deps that didn't change in your gemfile
<ryanf> ah
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<andrewvos> Anyone here using chrome?
<andrewvos> When you open up chrome, there's the "most used" sites. Have a look at the bottom of the squares. Chrome seems to associate each site with a single colour.
<href> it's from the favicon
<andrewvos> That is pretty damn cool
<href> yeah :)
<andrewvos> href: Did not know that.
<andrewvos> href: Thanks!
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<jkyle> I added actionview, '2.3.14' to my gemfile, when I try to 'bundle update' it throws the following error: Could not find gem 'actionview (= 2.3.14) ruby' in any of the gem sources listed in your Gemfile.
<andrewvos> jkyle: Maybe it doesn't exist
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<jkyle> looking into that, I thought the active* gems were version pegged to rails
<ryanf> they are
<ryanf> you might need action_view though
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<ryanf> nope, neither. hmm.
<ryanf> maybe it's inside actionpack? I forget
<ryanf> yeah
<ryanf> it is
<ryanf> you have to install actionpack and require action_view
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<jkyle> ok, got it
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<max1971> ciao
<max1971> list/
<max1971> list!
<lianj> .reverse
<max1971> list\
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<shevy> lol
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<andrewvos> Intersting
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<shevy> Intersting sting sting me too!
<shevy> andrewvos I WANT YOUR BABIES
<lianj> too late, Apple owns them
<andrewvos> shevy: Why now?
<shevy> andrewvos dunno, I don't like Sundays
<shevy> nothing ever happens on Sundays
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<andrewvos> shevy: Indeed.
<andrewvos> I've just been having a giant hangover and looking through reddit.com/r/wtf
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<andrewvos> gem list --local | wc -l
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<ryanf> haha wow
<ryanf> andrewvos: that's what gemsets are for
<andrewvos> ryanf: When using a gemset bundler is still slower than just running the command.
<andrewvos> ryanf: Oh wait. I suppose if I use gemsets I don't need bundle exec right?
<ryanf> yeah that is true
<ryanf> at least it helps to avoid it
<ryanf> what would be awesome would be something that was like bundle install but also removed gems that weren't in the gemset
<ryanf> uh in the gemfile I mean
<ryanf> then you really wouldn't need bundle exec
<andrewvos> ryanf: Well, just clean the gemset first?
<ryanf> as it is, if you accidentally install a higher version of a gem than the one in your .lock, you will get fuckups without bundle exec
<ryanf> yeah
<ryanf> in practice it's usually fine
<ryanf> just annoying once in a while
<andrewvos> ryanf: bundler slows down my tests runs too much though.
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<ryanf> you mean using bundle exec?
<ryanf> but anyway gemsets and bundler are orthogonal.
<ryanf> except in the sense that using gemsets makes you less likely to need bundle exec
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<andrewvos> ryanf: I do mean using `bundle exec`.
<andrewvos> ryanf: You know what? I'm going to stop using bundle exec for a while. I'll let CI handle possible integration issues.
<andrewvos> Having a slight pause between test runs really pisses me off.
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