<erikh>
the bot needs a threshold that says, "why you all up in my shit?" after several requests in sequence
<zzak>
corundum botsnack
<corundum>
zzak: ta :)
<zzak>
erikh humansnack
<erikh>
nom
<zzak>
zzak coffee sip
<zzak>
yayayaya
<erikh>
man I haven't opened the window all day
<erikh>
no wonder I feel like crap
<zzak>
drink moar water
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<andrewvos>
"Water considered harmful"
<andrewvos>
If someone did a blog post and the first 140 characters were any good, then everyone would believe the title.
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<Phrogz>
andrewvos: My wife once worked in environment safety for a chemical company. Therein she learned that water has a MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) because someone once died over-injesting it.
<Phrogz>
(Trying to pass a drug test, drank so much water that he flushed necessary electrolytes from body and died, or something.)
<MistyM>
Everything in moderation.
<andrewvos>
Phrogz: Can I copy and paste that? I'll be number one on hacker news.
<Phrogz>
Go ahead. It might be wrong, but go ahead.
<andrewvos>
Seriously though, that's messed up.
<shevy>
MistyM what if there is a very high level before in moderation :D
<shevy>
though I am a bit sceptical to such a story Phrogz
<andrewvos>
If you translate this into a human (where the numbers won't be exactly the same, but will be fairly similar), you can give a little over 6L of water to a 150 lb human before 50% of them will die (6 L is about 1.5 gallons). Or around 13.5 lbs of water. That's a lot of water.
<andrewvos>
Is the MS in MSNBC what I think it is?
<shevy>
"I am no expert at all, so if you die its not my fault."
<MistyM>
andrewvos: It sure is, but I don't think MS actually has any share in it anymore.
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<shevy>
Then there are statements like: "Water is considered the least toxic chemical compound, with a LD50 of 90 g/Kg or more." but I never heard of anyone applying the lethal dose to water in any way. Would be nice to see sources cited, rather than just statements done
<shevy>
I was there many years ago! kuala lumpur was a damn dirty town, it was insanely hot and humid, but penang and george town had a wonderful climate + area
<muzone>
well
<muzone>
its like their gateway to asia i guess
<muzone>
yeah kuala lumpur is damn dirty
<muzone>
but they moved the capital though, to a place called putrajaya, beautiful place
<shevy>
I heard they are doing the same in india. I forgot which town ... mumbay or something, where they wanted to raze down the slum buildings and replace them with modern buildings
<muzone>
yup, all planned
<muzone>
yeah i think i heard about that too
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<pbjorklund>
Why do I need to put raise(Exception) in parentheses when using the ternay operator? Like a>b ? raise(Exeption) : b
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<Asher>
b/c otherwise it parses ambiguously, i believe
<Asher>
tho i believe right now you're doing a > ( b ? raise( Exception ) : b )
<Asher>
pretty sure the > gets priority over the ?
<pbjorklund>
My triangle test a+b>c ? stuff : stuff works
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<Asher>
i could be wrong… i always use explicit parens to make sure
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<corecode>
hi
<corecode>
is there a standard way of padding strings?
<corecode>
say, i want to print a hex string of length 4
<corecode>
3.to_s(16) will only print '3', but i'd like '0003'
<corecode>
i guess i'll use printf
<guns>
corecode: '%04x' % n
<guns>
String#% uses all the standard printf formats
<corecode>
yea
<corecode>
that's what i ment by printf
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<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
hey corecode
<shevy>
aren't you an old-time ruby user?
<corecode>
yea, but always search for ways to improve
<shevy>
we all try :)
<corecode>
i mean, sometimes there are situations where you want to pad a string with '.'
<corecode>
what do you do then
<shevy>
you mean pad it with a certain character
<shevy>
hmm I think not with printf
<shevy>
idea:
<shevy>
string[0,0] = '.' * 8
<shevy>
and replace 8 with the amount of pads you require
<guns>
corecode: String#ljust, rjust, center
<shevy>
oh
<corecode>
guns: nice!
<corecode>
that's what i was looking for
<corecode>
awesome
<corecode>
shevy: see, always a win
<shevy>
but that pads only with ' ' or?
<guns>
shevy: you can specify the padding character as 2nd param
<shevy>
aaaaaaaaah
<shevy>
cool, learned something new thanks guns
<guns>
np
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<Phrogz>
Going a little bit crazy with Method#to_proc; is there a better way do this:
<Phrogz>
(Require all files in a directory relative to this file, hierarchically)
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<chris2>
roughly
<chris2>
Dir[File.join ...].each {|f| require f }
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<Phrogz>
Heh, didn't notice that .each{|f| require f} is significantly shorter than .each(&method :require) :)
<Phrogz>
Got all caught up in being tricky.
<Phrogz>
Similarly with expand_path. Poop; no justifiably tricky code for me.
<Phrogz>
This is why we need a special syntax for #method :)
<chris2>
meh
<andrewvos>
Which is the best linux distro? I'm thinking of going off os x, but Unity in Ubuntu pissed me off the last time I tried to switch.
<andrewvos>
I know that's subjective, but would like to hear some thoughts.
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<Asher>
why would you leave os x
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<bnagy>
ah! Cpt Troll! Good to see you again! How are Mrs Troll and the kids?
<bnagy>
desktop OSes, in order of usability - OSX, Windows, Etch a Sketch, Vasectomy, Linux
<Asher>
windows belongs on the other side of vasectomy
<andrewvos>
bnagy: I'm really not trolling
<bnagy>
windows is a great desktop OS
<bnagy>
it's just a useless dev / server os
<Asher>
in the sense the My First Sony is a great recording studio
<andrewvos>
Asher: Because I have issues with using closed sourced software in these privacy-less times.
<Asher>
meh buzzwords
<bnagy>
ubuntu
<andrewvos>
bnagy: I don't care about usability. All I need is a good terminal and Chrome
<bnagy>
use server and install xfce4
<andrewvos>
(the browser)
<bnagy>
or fluxbox or whatever that's called these days
<andrewvos>
bnagy: Ubuntu server?
<andrewvos>
bnagy: xfce is nice?
<bnagy>
yeah, anything else will drive you insane
<bnagy>
they write the desktop UIs with their feet and never use them, as far as I can tell
<andrewvos>
bnagy: I just want something like Alfred.app to launch apps
<andrewvos>
That's all really
<bnagy>
like typing 'chrome &' ? ;)
<andrewvos>
bnagy: :)
<andrewvos>
Good point Sir
<Asher>
why not use chrome os then
<bnagy>
probably not so great for dev
<Asher>
you said you don't care about usability
<bnagy>
who said that?
<Asher>
erm
<Asher>
andrewvos said that
<Asher>
sorry :)
<andrewvos>
Me
<bnagy>
he also said 'good terminal, to be fair
<andrewvos>
Yeah not sure chrome os fits that
<Asher>
heh
<andrewvos>
I want it to be 256 colour terminal
<bnagy>
so windows gets some points docked
<bnagy>
well... a lot
<Asher>
windows should never have been on the list
<bnagy>
worst terminal evar, in fact
<bnagy>
windows is a great desktop OS
<Asher>
you keep saying that
<bnagy>
and, hands down, the most secure OS on the market
<andrewvos>
bnagy: Windows makes me want to self harm
<Asher>
most secure OS on the market…
<Asher>
your'e just fucking with me now
<bnagy>
nope
<bnagy>
look me up, this is my field
<andrewvos>
ok stop trolling
<bnagy>
I am, in fact, a security researcher
<Asher>
if this is your field and that is your answer then i will stop listening to anything you say :P
<andrewvos>
Ok either way, I came to discuss what linux distribution I should use
<bnagy>
ok, what's you're candidate? :)
<bnagy>
*your
<bnagy>
I hate my fingers
<bnagy>
you might get partial points for s/390 or VMS (on the grounds that nobody old enough to know how to 'ls' cares enough to hack it anymore)
<bnagy>
linux is a fricking abortion
<bnagy>
OSX is 5 years behind everyone else, at best
<bnagy>
iOS is about twice as good as OSX, tbh
<bnagy>
which is funny
<Asher>
security on iOS is way more relevant than on OS X
<bnagy>
I agree
<Asher>
what rubric are you using to make these determinations
<bnagy>
sit a normal user in front of OS, assess ownability
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<andrewvos>
bnagy: Cool, on windows they've already installed 7 toolbars in IE.
<bnagy>
not on windows 7/8, and even if, you get not all that much
<bnagy>
it's enough to make a hacker cry, tbf
<bnagy>
plus, who uses IE?
<andrewvos>
You Mom
<andrewvos>
Your*
<andrewvos>
(not trying a mom joke by the way)
<bnagy>
my mom uses xp from like 96, she is owned 8 ways from sunday
<andrewvos>
Anyway I'm not going to argue this...
<andrewvos>
Who mentioned Ubuntu SErver with xfce, and why server particularly?
<bnagy>
me
<bnagy>
xfce is clean, gnome and kde are awful
<andrewvos>
Cool I'm going to go find some screenshots :)
<bnagy>
plus if you ever et them configure anything on your machine ever you will never be able to work out what they did or how to fix it
<bnagy>
btw, imho OSX is a legendary desktop os
<andrewvos>
bnagy: It's nice, but to be honest I just don't trust it any more.
<bnagy>
tinfoil hat? I think the days of vendor included rootkits etc that go unnoticed are behind us
<andrewvos>
And the terminal always has to be hacked to get tools working properly etc.
<bnagy>
well desktop linux for everyday use doesn't happen overnight either
<andrewvos>
bnagy: How so?
<bnagy>
well not for me
<andrewvos>
Context?
<bnagy>
need a better terminal, set up menus so they do what they should, kill crap you never use...
<andrewvos>
bnagy: What problems have you had with the terminal?
<bnagy>
nothing serious, just unprettiness
<andrewvos>
GEtting vim colour schemes working etc.
<andrewvos>
I Suppose
<bnagy>
yeah but that's a constant PITA shared across all platforms :)
<andrewvos>
Yeah
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<bnagy>
anyways, imho I wouldn't move from OSX and if someone forced me at gunpoint to make a second choice I would take ubuntu server and a hipster minial wm
<bnagy>
(despite what I said about windows, it's crap on sticks for dev)
<andrewvos>
Yeah
<bnagy>
really good for, like, playing flash out of the box etc though
<bnagy>
holy crap, linux, who knew users would want to do that? :P
<andrewvos>
meh
<andrewvos>
Appreciate that someone is fighting the battle against flash
<bnagy>
true, some porn sites are moving to silverlight now
<andrewvos>
Something else that needs to be killed :)
<bnagy>
amen
<andrewvos>
The pain of getting ubuntu dual booted on a MBA is kind of scaring me off
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<bnagy>
*&%^%# EFI
<andrewvos>
:(
<bnagy>
vmware?
<bnagy>
it's really quite good now
<andrewvos>
Well, I would rather use VirtualBox :)
<bnagy>
oracle can go and...[censored]
<andrewvos>
VMWare is just ugly though. That's why I don't like it.
<bnagy>
I never looked to see if kvm will work on osx
<bnagy>
internet says 'no'
<bnagy>
not all that surprising
<bnagy>
anyway, I look forward to using linux again, when it's finished
<andrewvos>
heh
<andrewvos>
Was just thinking about setting up a dev box with vagrant&puppet
<bnagy>
I was all excited about vagrant
<bnagy>
anyways, enough drunken trolling for me
<bnagy>
night o/ :)
<andrewvos>
night
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<shevy>
day
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<andrewvos>
morning
<shevy>
midnight
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<nofxx>
need to add a gem to a Gemfile project, but only on this deployment... was working with naive 'cat "gem 'bla'" > Gemfile , but that way I can't use --deployment in bundle and it need to reinstall everything.... tips?
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<andrewvos>
Hey, vim users... Does everyone use Command-T or is there anyhing better?
<ddfreyne>
I hear a lot of people preferring command-t to nerdtree
<ddfreyne>
so I guess it is the best
<shevy>
die, vim, die!!!
<andrewvos>
ddfreyne: I'm trying to automate a dev box in vagrant&puppet at the part about compiling command-t is a bit of a downer :(
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<andrewvos>
Hmmm
<andrewvos>
I'm trying to script vim so that it does a vundle BundleInstall... Problem is with vim -c <command> it's outputting errors and all.
<andrewvos>
Anyone know if I can keep it silent?
<rippa>
#vim
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<andrewvos>
rippa: Yeah good point thanks
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<g0bl1n>
Android test
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<andrewvos>
Human test
<ddfreyne>
Can somebody give me a hint on the argument order for ln -s? Because I ALWAYS forget it and I get it wrong so often.
<andrewvos>
ddfreyne: Oh yeah me too
<andrewvos>
Some cool sort of reminder would be great
<Telmo>
ln <source> <destination>
<ddfreyne>
destination being the new file?
<ddfreyne>
hm… new file at the end
<ddfreyne>
identical to what cp would do
<andrewvos>
ddfreyne: Yes the last one!!
<andrewvos>
ln -s : Works just like cp
<hagabaka>
but "source" is called link target
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<uniqanomaly>
here's a thought: what if you could load/unload new syntax features
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<imperator2>
i think that's what rubinius was originally planning to do with "behaviors"
<ddfreyne>
oh behave
<rue>
ddfreyne: I aliased to lnsft
<ddfreyne>
lnsft?
<Asher>
short for insufflate?
<rue>
ln s from to
<ddfreyne>
but then you need to know what "from" means
<ddfreyne>
in my eyes, the symbolic link points FROM a location to an existing location
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<manveru>
i remember it by keeping in mind that `ln -s /some/foo` will make a symlink too
<guns>
ddfreyne: The unix file commands are all consistent: cmd SRC DST. Backwards from the system calls :)
<ddfreyne>
heh
<manveru>
guns: not for tar
<manveru>
which annoys me to no end :P
<guns>
tar is an old man, so gets a pass
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<ddfreyne>
What is mixed-mode execution? interpreted vs byte-code execution?
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<rue>
ddfreyne: Context-dependent
<rue>
Could be safe + unsafe, managed + unmanaged, bytecode + jit
<rue>
Or interpreted vs. native, and so on.
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<dontbecold_>
What's the easiest method for getting a # char into a regular expression?
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<dominikh>
/#/
<dominikh>
enjoy
<dontbecold_>
Yea, the error I was getting came from a different part of the regexp, and the syntax highlighting lead me to believe the '#' char had commented out the rest of the line
<erikh>
emacs?
<dominikh>
ruby-mode has shockingly many errors, considering matz wrote it...
<dominikh>
in many cases it won't recognize regexps at all
<bougyman>
vim notices %r{} perfectly
<bougyman>
but can get confused with /#{stuff}/
<dominikh>
emacs fails on things like foo[/bar/]
<bougyman>
so I always use %{r}
<bougyman>
er %r{}
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<dominikh>
ruby-mode doesn't seem to have any support for %r{}, either
<erikh>
yeah vim pretty much wins this
<erikh>
perl too
<bougyman>
vim doesn't mind thing[/regex/]
<dominikh>
BUT emacs has the nicer syntax hl for YARD documentation :P
<erikh>
who uses yard
<erikh>
:P
<bougyman>
i view that with a web browser, heh
<bougyman>
and: we use yard
<bougyman>
:p
<dominikh>
erikh: ruby's elite, of course :P
<dominikh>
bougyman: well, you have to write it at some point :P
<erikh>
ha
<dontbecold_>
no, vim :)
<erikh>
oh man
<erikh>
after all that heckling
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<dominikh>
heckling?
<erikh>
heckling emacs
<dominikh>
oh
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<dontbecold_>
I must admit, i'm not a very good user of vim, the arrow keys are still engraved on thine heart
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<dominikh>
arrow keys, yuck!
<dontbecold_>
i tried disabling them once
<erikh>
if they work for you, great, but you'll be a lot faster if you use hjkl
<dontbecold_>
then my computing teacher told me off for yelling at my laptop
<erikh>
and w and b
<erikh>
haha
<dominikh>
that's what I did in emacs: disabled arrow keys for a couple of weeks. now I only use them when it's easier (mostly when I am one-handed)
<dominikh>
haha
<erikh>
hm
<erikh>
idea for an irc bot, something that just idles in the channel and sms's me on barewords
<erikh>
so I can disconnect from my proxy without missing all the hot nerd on nerd action
<dominikh>
sounds neat
<dontbecold_>
I kind of use both, when I'm pying ttention ill use hjkl, but if i'm not, i'll use the arrow keys, slap myself, then go back to hjkl
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<dominikh>
hopefully also not use home/end/del/pgup and co?
<dominikh>
*not using
<dontbecold_>
*poker face*
<lianj>
sometimes :P
<dontbecold_>
those are my goto keys
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<andrewvos>
dontbecold_: Disable the arrow keys.
<dominikh>
andrewvos: scroll up.
<dontbecold_>
I tried
<andrewvos>
dominikh: No
<dominikh>
why not, forgot the keys? :P
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<andrewvos>
ahhaha
<dontbecold_>
my productivity sank through the floor, it didn't seem worth it
<dominikh>
it would've risen after 1-2 weeks
<dontbecold_>
I've gotta go to bed, i'll be around tomorrow morning
<dontbecold_>
I tried for about a week, I didn't really see a difference except a feeling of resentment towards vim
<andrewvos>
dontbecold_: Don't be a pansy
<andrewvos>
dontbecold_: Disable those keys
<andrewvos>
dontbecold_: It worked for me
<andrewvos>
dontbecold_: And look at me now! King of the world
<dominikh>
and screwed in his browser's text field!
<andrewvos>
dominikh: I only disable the keys in vim
<dominikh>
yeah, but the keys you are used to will behave weirdly in your browser ;)
<andrewvos>
I use vimium
<dontbecold_>
night all
<dominikh>
Like, I still hit ^W by accident every so often :>
<andrewvos>
hehe
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