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<akahn> what is the array method that returns an array containing the shortest unambiguous strings contained in the receiver? I'm having a hard time describing this
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<akahn> like how you can gem p returns an error with 'unambiguous matches' but gem pr executes gem pristine
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<darix> akahn: a tree structure might be better for this. but a simple solution could be
<akahn> I swear I've seen a built in method for this
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<darix> matches = cmd_array.select {|e| e =~ needle_regexp }
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<postmodern> stupid question, can you send a body with Net::HTTP::Get?
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<postmodern> lianj, awesome! thank you
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<darix> postmodern: how much sense does it make?
<darix> a server should reject get with request body anyway no?
<postmodern> darix, apparently it is allowed
<postmodern> darix, Net::HTTPRequest#request_body_permitted? exists though
<postmodern> darix, im sure not all web-servers allow a body with GET
<postmodern> darix, http spec does not disallow it though
<darix> why not use post/put where a body is expected?
<postmodern> darix, it's for the Rails RCE exploit
<darix> lighty e.g. rejects ith with 400
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<darix> postmodern: so you try to exploit things?
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<postmodern> darix, not trying, doing :)
<blazes816> haha
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<darix> so yet another script kiddie
<postmodern> darix, script kiddies can't write exploits, http://ronin-ruby.github.com/blog/2013/01/09/rails-pocs.html
<postmodern> darix, let alone exploit frameworks
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<blazes816> yeah but then you use the scripts. so script kiddie. ;)
<postmodern> blazes816, using a script i wrote, doesn't imply im a kiddie
<postmodern> blazes816, nor kid nor kitten
<blazes816> postmodern: yeah it was a joke
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<postmodern> blazes816, i guess if script kiddies write entire frameworks for their scripts
<postmodern> blazes816, would that make them astronaut engineer kiddies?
<postmodern> blazes816, *astronaut kiddie?
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<blazes816> wrong kiddie to fuck with certianly
<postmodern> blazes816, they will totally pwn you, after they get done refactoring their code for code smells
<blazes816> that's all I ask
<Spaceghost|cloud> Are we all being pedantic little pretentious twits? :D
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<Spaceghost|cloud> I hope the incoming flu epidemic stops it. http://www.google.org/flutrends/us/#US
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<zenspider> anyone here an algs wonk? I need a code review on a stable hash function impl
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<Spaceghost|cloud> zenspider: I'm not pro by any means.
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<manveru> akahn: xi ~ % ruby -rabbrev -e 'p %w[foo bar foobar duh bee].abbrev'
<manveru> {"ba"=>"bar", "fooba"=>"foobar", "foob"=>"foobar", "foo"=>"foo", "du"=>"duh", "d"=>"duh", "be"=>"bee", "bar"=>"bar", "foobar"=>"foobar", "duh"=>"duh", "bee"=>"bee"}
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<yorickpeterse> Morning
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<yorickpeterse> durrr Chronic
<yorickpeterse> Chronic.parse('01-09-2012').month # => 1
<yorickpeterse> y u use US format
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<apeiros_> especially when recognizable as iso
<apeiros_> authors region bias
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<yorickpeterse> lol ,in 0.9.0 it just returns `nil` for that date
<yorickpeterse> Time.strptime it is then
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<yorickpeterse> durrr, Time.parse does get it right
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<apeiros_> oh wait, I was wrong, that's not ISO
<apeiros_> ISO would be reversed
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<yorickpeterse> plot twist: that particular date format is part of some ISO standard
<yorickpeterse> Can't remember the exact code though
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<reactormonk> apeiros_, just use points instead of slashes, and it's non-america ;-)
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<apeiros_> yorickpeterse: curious to know. it's not part of iso8601, which is *the* date standard
<yorickpeterse> Correct, but I recall there being a different one describing it
<yorickpeterse> Also, what happened to Tk in stdlib?
<yorickpeterse> I can't seem to load it :<
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<yorickpeterse> Ah, tk wasn't installed so it probably didn't compile with it
<yorickpeterse> hrmpf
<yorickpeterse> and qtbindings doesn't compile either, that only leaves me with the GTK libs
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<manveru> always use Time.strptime
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<manveru> also there is always ffi-tk
<manveru> :)
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<yorickpeterse> My particular use case would be a campfire client. The only working one is "Pyfire" and it looks like an abortion
<yorickpeterse> it doesn't work very well either
<yorickpeterse> Problem: the GTK2 lib is meh (though it works), I couldn't get the GTK3 FFI binding to work and qtbindings doesn't compile
<manveru> ok, isn't campfire a web app?
<yorickpeterse> Yes, but the web UI is meh
<chris2> arent there campfire <-> irc gateways?
<manveru> i thought 37signals never makes native clients
<yorickpeterse> chris2: that's what I use right now
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<yorickpeterse> It's dodgy though
<yorickpeterse> It randomly breaks and results in messages being sent 20 times (to me)(
<manveru> except for mac maybe, they always get the shiny new stuff
<chris2> hmhm
<injekt> there's clients which embed a web view
<injekt> like propane and flint
<yorickpeterse> I went as far as looking into C++/Vala
<yorickpeterse> But the latter doesn't have anything related to HTTP requests as far as I can find
<chris2> their api is pretty nuts too
<chris2> uses polling...
<yorickpeterse> polling is webscale
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<yorickpeterse> hahahaa, how to improve an APIs performance: remove a call to Draper
<yorickpeterse> and it goes from 2 seconds to around 800 ms
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<yorickpeterse> Eh, 300 ms actually
<yorickpeterse> even better
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<injekt> yorickpeterse: wow wtf seriously?
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<RubyHead> 2s to 300ms? that's incredible.
<injekt> yeah that cant be just because of draper
<yorickpeterse> before: EntryDecorator.decorate(entries.where(...)), after: entries.where()
<yorickpeterse> that really is the only difference
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<injekt> yorickpeterse: file a bug
<injekt> that's retarded in so many ways
<yorickpeterse> I don't care enough about Draper to spend 2 hours debugging the cause
<yorickpeterse> I think the whole implementation of Draper (and decorators in general) is retarded
<rue|w> You’re a bad person
<injekt> you open a bug so you dont have to debug it :)
<yorickpeterse> I don't like opening bugs without at least having looked at what's going on. Might as well open one with the text "I use the Lunix, it doesn't work."
<injekt> why would you use draper in an api anyway? am i missing something?
<yorickpeterse> I didn't chose it
<yorickpeterse> * choose
<yorickpeterse> It's used to extract specific attributes from a model and display them as JSON (mainly)
<injekt> no im just curious as to why anyone would, assuming an api is just doing serialized stuff
<injekt> ah
<yorickpeterse> Personally I'd just define SomeModel#public_attributes or something like that but apparently that is a bad thing these days
<diegoviola> i'm pulling files via http and storing them in my local fs, i'd like to have a separate script watch the dir and find out when new files are dled/craeted, do i need inotify for this?
<yorickpeterse> diegoviola: If you want it to be reliable and fast, yes
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<diegoviola> yeah i'll go with inotify
<injekt> yorickpeterse: what about something like rabl?
<yorickpeterse> Never used it
<yorickpeterse> I found one file for it but haven't looked at it any further
<injekt> heh, i dont really like using views for apis but meh
<diegoviola> but is there a way to do this with ruby? without touching inotify?
<diegoviola> just curious
<injekt> diegoviola: yes
<yorickpeterse> diegoviola: polling
<diegoviola> how please?
<diegoviola> ok
<yorickpeterse> injekt: Hm, rabl doesn't look that weird
<diegoviola> ty
<injekt> yorickpeterse: yeah it's ok, i just dont like using views for apis is all
<injekt> yorickpeterse: I have written an api with it though, and it was nice
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<yorickpeterse> Not sure if I'd ever use it though, I'd like to keep the overhead of APIs as small as possible
<yorickpeterse> and you can't exactly beat the speed of {...}.to_json
<injekt> aye :)
<injekt> I have an API I built in sinatra serving around 3 million hits a day returning json, and it's had almost 9 months full uptime
<injekt> i dont maintain it anymore though
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<yorickpeterse> heh
<injekt> moved away from ruby for the new work api
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<judofyr> HEY FOLKS
<judofyr> HOW ARE WE TODAY?
<matti> HEY
<matti> WE ARE FINE.
<matti> HOW ARE YOU?
<matti> ;S
<judofyr> I'M DOING FINE
<matti> AMAING. GOOD TO KNOW.
<rue|w> HI THERE
<charliesome> hi
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<rue|w> SPEAK UP, SONNY
<matti> Now, the social protol states that we should invite you to join use for a cup of tea and biscuits.
<charliesome> HI
<rue|w> HI
* matti invites judofyr for tea and snacks.
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* yorickpeterse was about to make tea
<judofyr> oooo, tea!
<matti> yalue: Good, I will bring biscuits.
<matti> Ops.
<matti> yorickpeterse:
<imperator> where are the crumpets?
<matti> We can all seat and have a chat about life, universe and everything.
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<matti> And watch vides of funny cats on YouTube.
<injekt> hey i make the best tea around here
* rue|w brings American biscuits
* matti will bring English digestives.
<imperator> random question, any other netrunner fans here?
<matti> Random answer: no idea :)
<yorickpeterse> Ok, here's a thought I just had: Ruby devs spend more time tweaking the GC instead of writing performant code. DISCUSS!
<yorickpeterse> well, maybe I should say rails devs
<matti> LOL
<matti> yorickpeterse: I am yet to see Ruby developer who tweaks GC.
<yorickpeterse> I currently have a API call that takes 12 seconds due to the lovely 1+N problem
<matti> yorickpeterse: Most of them, especially form the Rails shop, have no idea how computer works ;]
<matti> yorickpeterse: Yet fiddle with GC.
<matti> ;p
<yorickpeterse> For every row it slaps Mongo in the face with a Diesel query, twice
<yorickpeterse> it does that around 800 times
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<matti> yorickpeterse: Fix it!
<matti> yorickpeterse: ;D
<gnufied> tenderlove: ping?
<yorickpeterse> matti: I am
<matti> yorickpeterse: Try harder!
<yorickpeterse> Though I'm not sure how to tackle the Mongo/Diesel problem since I'm not very familiar with it (yet)
<matti> yorickpeterse: Excues, excuses...
<matti> ;p
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<ericwood> zenspider: whoa, just stumbled across Wilson on github
<ericwood> you're evil
<ericwood> apparently it's 4 years old, but just made it to hacker news this morning
<judofyr> ericwood: it's pretty awesome
<ericwood> I need this in my rails apps, should speed things up a bit
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<judofyr> ericwood: ehm…… :P
<ericwood> although I'm doing JRuby, so I need a version that does straight up JVM bytecode
<judofyr> ericwood: ByteScript
<ericwood> BiteScript?
<ericwood> oh goodness
<ericwood> that's pretty awesome, actually
<ericwood> JVM bytecode is pretty straightforward
<judofyr> ah, yes, bitescript
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<ericwood> for school at one point I had to write a haskell program that read in JVM bytecode and spit out modified code which printed stuff whenever functions were called
<ericwood> needless to say, doing bit operations in Haskell and converting between types is a nightmare...
<ericwood> would've been easy in C :P
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<judofyr> I know pretty much nothing about the JVM bytecode :)
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<ericwood> judofyr: probably for the best
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<judofyr> ericwood: but I would imagine that Haskell would handle the modifications of the instructions themselves pretty good? with ADT and pattern matching?
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<ericwood> judofyr: most likely; I was short on time so I did a pretty hack job of it...the actual reading of the bytecode and converting it to useable data was really tricky
<ericwood> Haskell and IO are like oil and water :P
<ericwood> Speaking of haskell and ruby, apparently you can do _ for "don't care" things
<injekt> zzak: lol did you see nobus reply regarding irb history?
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<judofyr> dude, we need documentation for IRB. or at least .irbrc
<injekt> yeah
<yorickpeterse> And not have people change its default behaviour without proper notice
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<ericwood> there's practically nothing out there on .irbrc stuff
<injekt> well technically yhere is
<injekt> all the IRC.conf stuff is documented in lib/irc.rb
<injekt> irb*
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<injekt> little people know you can invoke new sessions with the context of other objects
<injekt> `irb "foo"; reverse #=> "oof"`
<banisterfiend> injekt: doesnt work on immediates though for some reason
<injekt> banisterfiend: on immediates?
<banisterfiend> injekt: irb 5
<banisterfiend> or irb :hello
<injekt> ah
<injekt> yeah
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<ericwood> is there a REPL bot in here like there is in #ruby?
<ericwood> >> puts "hello"
<injekt> ericwood: no
<ericwood> awww :(
<injekt> because people would spam the crap out of the channel with it
<banisterfiend> ericwood: #ruby-lang is a pretty conservative channel ;)
<ericwood> idk, #ruby is more mainstream I think and they don't have a problem with it
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<injekt> more mainstream?
<lianj> == more drama?
<judofyr> injekt: they would?
<andrewvos> they?
<judofyr> (spam)
<judofyr> hm
<injekt> judofyr: i dunno, but it's a possibility
<judofyr> maybe I should join #ruby for a few days
<judofyr> see how it is on the "other side"
<injekt> zenspider said he wouldn't have one anyway
<ericwood> they're well-behaved I think
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<lianj> eval.in and ideone.com are great for pasting and running ruby code
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<lianj> although they all fail at require and IO, like most irc repls, so they become less useful for most pastes
<dominikh> injekt: why am I not surprised
<injekt> about what?
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<dominikh> that ill-chosen method name :P
<injekt> :)
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<banisterfiend> chris2: ping
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<banisterfiend> or anyone who knows about bacon
<banisterfiend> how do i assert on an exception error message?
<banisterfiend> lamba { blah }.should.raise_with_message =~ / / ??
<banisterfiend> should.raise(IndexError).message.should.match(/out of array/)
<banisterfiend> oh found it: ^
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<banisterfiend> that's pretty slick
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<zzak> injekt: different nobu, but yah. i was about to reply
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<zzak> theres a bunch of new docs for IRB in 2.0
<zzak> i need to add this stuff about completion and history tho
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<injekt> zzak: ah ok
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<chris2> Banistergalaxy: pong
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<andrewvos> Why are people whining about that order dependent method in minitest only now? It has been there a while!
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<injekt> who's whining?
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<andrewvos> injekt: Just noticed on twitter
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<rking> What's the nice way to say something like: h = {x:1,y:2}; h2 = h.dup; h2.delete :x; h2
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<ryanv-raptor> h2 = h[:y]
<ryanv-raptor> or perhaps i'm missing the point
<ryanv-raptor> (no pun intended)
<rking> Well, yeah
<rking> h = {x:1, …}
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<ryanv-raptor> ah, didn't think it would be /that/ easy
<rking> Hehe
<rking> What I want is the opposite of .merge
<ryanv-raptor> well, you could simplify it a little
<ryanv-raptor> h2 = h.dup().delete(:x)
<ryanv-raptor> maybe?
<ryanv-raptor> it's still not all functional and pretty though
<rking> That returns the thing deleted.
<rking> Which is often handy, but not this time.
<ryanv-raptor> oh damn
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<rking> h = {x:1,y:2}; h.dup.tap{|h|h.delete :x} # also works, but I'm not sure if it's even an improvement.
<ryanv-raptor> h2 = h.reject {|k,v| k == :x}
<ryanv-raptor> maybe
<ryanv-raptor> unfortunately the more descriptive "keep_if" only operates on the hash itself
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<rking> ryanv-raptor: Ahh, yep. #reject is better.
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<cirenyc> If I have to dates, say "today" and "yesterday", what is the best way to create a new date range or start/end dates that include both?
<cirenyc> Take the 4 dates as an array, sort, then take the first/last value?
<rking> cirenyc: That sounds like a not-bad way to do it.
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<cirenyc> rking: Okay, thanks. I am thinking about avoiding multiple API calls for "today" and "yesterday" data sets.
<cirenyc> Hoping to say "give me everything that falls into either date range, then handling sorting them on my own.
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<rking> dates = [ Date.today, Date.today-3, Date.today+2 ]; Range.new *dates.sort.values_at(1, -1)
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<rking> cirenyc: You could define a method like class Array; def range_of_extremes; Range.new *sort.values_at(1, -1) end end
<rking> Or just:
<rking> Range.new *dates.minmax
<manveru> defining methods for something that simple...
<manveru> minmax is nicer :)
<rking> I much prefer it to the "bag of snippets" approach.
<rking> That's the Perl way, what with the snippets.
<cirenyc> yeah, forgot about minmax
<manveru> defining methods everywhere is asking for trouble
<rking> What trouble, exactly?
<rking> That somebody *else* defined Array#range_of_extremes, and made it mean something else?
<manveru> yeah
<rking> Totally doubtful. But anyway: Refinements are coming, so we can finally put methods where they belong.
<manveru> also the kind of trouble AS causes
<rking> But s/trouble/niceness/ also
<manveru> people requiring AS just because they get used to a method or two
<manveru> refinements are still a long way away
<manveru> well, useful ones, anyway
<rking> Meh. I think it's a more interesting experiment to define methods on the places they really belong.
<manveru> Range::of_extremes maybe?
<rking> So like, Range.of_extremes [1,-1,2] ?
<manveru> i guess
<manveru> no need to have an array for that
<rking> I'm Ok with that, because it's a sort of hybrid that does stuff with Arrays and with Range
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<cirenyc> rking: Something like this look good? https://gist.github.com/f5ae6bdf7416ab470da2
<cirenyc> will need to do similarly w/ weekly, monthly, and yearly time spans, but that basic idea
<cirenyc> Actually, wouldn't need the sort w/ minmax
<rking> Right
<rking> See, this doesn't have enough weight for a class, to me.
<rking> But the names are not clear enough.
<rking> Hrm, maybe not re: names
<cirenyc> rking: Yeah, you might be right re: class.
<rking> Hard to say. It might be one of those things where I do this then revisit after sleeping on it.
<cirenyc> specifically re: class or the start/end values to include both date ranges?
<cirenyc> rking: My motivation for small simple classes, even w/o much weight, is for easier testing and single responsibility
<rking> cirenyc: Just whether I like the locations + names of classes + methods.
<rking> I get you re: single responsibility, but a class without even one 'self' call is just a namespace.
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<rking> s/'self' call/instance method call/, I mean.
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<cirenyc> hrm, okay
<cirenyc> rking: I'll have to think about it some more.
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<sush24> hi.. Net::IMAP::Envelope has a methods .date it probably fetches the date string from the request. Is there a robust way to parse it to a date and time object? with proper timezones
<rking> sush24: Wellll, dates are messy almost without fail, but Date.parse the_str should give you a start.
<sush24> rking, it only gives date
<sush24> not time
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<sush24> Date.parse("Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:44:24 -0700")
<sush24> this a sample request
<rking> DateTime.parse "Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:44:24 -0700"
<rking> But no guarantees about formats. You'll have to examine the protocol (both the standard and the IRL deviances) to determine if you'll get something that DateTime will always .parse
<sush24> rking, almost, timezone?
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<rking> sush24: It takes that into account.
<sush24> irb(main):016:0> n = DateTime.parse "Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:44:24 -0700"
<sush24> => #<DateTime: 2012-08-11T12:44:24-07:00 (982460529/400,-7/24,2299161)>
<sush24> irb(main):017:0> n.strftime('%H:%M:%S')
<sush24> => "12:44:24"
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<rking> [14] pry(main)> str = "Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:44:24 -0700"; d1 = DateTime.parse str; d2 = DateTime.parse str.sub '700', '800'; d2 - d1
<rking> => (1/24)
<rking> You'll have to come up with a solution to timezone output, definitely.
<sush24> rking, thanks
<sush24> i'll see what sorts of sample string I have
<sush24> Wed, 19 Dec 2012 00:02:17 -0600 (CST)
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<rking> Is equuivalent to the same with sub ' (CST)', ''
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<sush24> I guess need to use regex
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<sush24> (GMT) (CST) etc etc
<rking> No, I mean the DateTime.parse ignores that
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<rking> It's redundant against the -0600
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<rking> I'm not sure what's supposed to happen if you say "-0600 (GMT)"
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<apeiros_> tenderlove: ping - Kernel#y no longer being there - intentional or oversight?
<zzak> apeiros_: require 'psych/y'
<apeiros_> zzak: aaaaw… 1.8 that came without additional require :-/
<apeiros_> zzak: thanks!
<zzak> np :)
<apeiros_> zzak: um… require 'psych/y' # !> LoadError: cannot load such file -- psych/y
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<apeiros_> neither 'yaml/y' or 'y'
<zzak> hrm
<zzak> which version of psych / ruby?
<zzak> it was just recently added
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<apeiros_> zzak: 1.9.3-p362
<apeiros_> I've added it to my pryrc
<apeiros_> it's not hard to write after all :)
<zzak> apeiros_: without latest psych gem, you need to just require 'psych'
<zzak> or ruby 2.0
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<apeiros_> um, no
<apeiros_> $ ruby -v -rpsych -e 'y "foo"'
<apeiros_> ruby 1.9.3p362 (2012-12-25 revision 38607) [x86_64-darwin12.2.1]
<apeiros_> -e:1:in `<main>': undefined method `y' for main:Object (NoMethodError)
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<zzak> weird
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<zzak> oh
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<zzak> because ::IRB
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<tenderlove> apeiros_: this is probably super lame
<tenderlove> but you could do (in pry)
<tenderlove> ::IRB = true
<tenderlove> then load yaml
<tenderlove> (as a work around)
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<apeiros_> lol? it detects IRB and only defines Kernel#y in irb?
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<apeiros_> patently evil! :)
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<apeiros_> do we need a new universal global/constant? RUBY_REPL
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<tenderlove> apeiros_: ya. :(
<tenderlove> I didn't want to monkey patch y all the time
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<tenderlove> so it uses IRB to detect the repl
<tenderlove> (which was a mistake)
<zzak> ruby -v -e 'module IRB; end; require "psych"; y [1, 2, 3]'
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<apeiros_> well, I understand the motivation
<apeiros_> outside of repls, Kernel#y is probably not of much use
<zzak> yarly
<apeiros_> (though, I still rely on `p-debugging` far too much)
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<cirenyc> What is the best way to sort a group of objects based on 2 conditionals?
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<cirenyc> For instance, if I have a = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6] and I want to apply an "even" rule and a "less than 4" rule to get two separate arrays.
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<apeiros_> cirenyc: #partition
<cirenyc> apeiros_: the problem with partition is that each element could be true for both rules.
<cirenyc> any other way than to iterate over the array twice checking for each rule?
<apeiros_> cirenyc: um, you do know boolean arithmetic, like 'and', yes?
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<apeiros_> nothing stops you from testing 2 conditions in the partition block…
<cirenyc> right, understand that.
<epitron> he wants duplicates in both arrays
<cirenyc> but that still gives me two arrays, right, one with values that pass...ones that don't
<cirenyc> *one with values that don't, I mean
<cirenyc> epitron: yes
<epitron> partition makes mutually exclusive sets
<apeiros_> cirenyc: aha, that wasn't clear (to me) from your description
<epitron> cirenyc: if you only wanna do one pass, you gotta use each and append to arrays
<epitron> if you want to do two passes, use select twice
<apeiros_> I read it as "one set containing all even and <4 values, the other the rest"
<cirenyc> apeiros_: fair enough, sorry about that.
<apeiros_> I don't think there's a readymade method for that
<cirenyc> okay, thanks.
<epitron> cirenyc: option 3: multiselect(*procs) :)
<apeiros_> I'd probably partition twice and union the results
<epitron> which you'd have to implement on Enumerable
<apeiros_> though…
<apeiros_> I think the result will be the same as with partition
<apeiros_> ah… meh
<epitron> i wonder if you could have it return an array of enumerables...
<apeiros_> duplicates
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<epitron> *enumerators
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<epitron> i don't think it's possible to return an array of (lazy) enumerators and have it do one-pass over the array
<epitron> that would require some tricky machinery
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<apeiros_> tenderlove: btw., what's up with those ! in YAML emitted by psych? e.g. "---\nfoo: ! 'bar'"
<tenderlove> apeiros_: it's probably a bug
<tenderlove> but it's syntax to indicate a string literal
<apeiros_> ok, I assumed that. but when/why do you use it?
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<setamagiga> Hi there :D can someone tell me the ruby equivalent to bytearray(length)? thx
<setamagiga> (its python btw)
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<andrewvos> Your name is python?
<setamagiga> yes for sure, what else would it be?
<setamagiga> but i think i got it already, i can just write the data byte for byte
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