apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<xarc> hi, i am having issues with builder gem
<xarc> i installed it but the program that depends on it does not it see it installed
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<xarc> i meant bundler
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<apeiros> xarc: you'll have to provide more info than that
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<xarc> apeiros: I got that issue resolved but i am having problems installed ruby-xslt, http://pastebin.com/EiFpJSud
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<seydar> what's the recommended way to do custom logging in rack?
<havenwood> xarc: sudo yum install ruby-devel
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<xarc> havenwood: it is already installed
<xarc> Package ruby-devel-2.0.0.353-20.el7.x86_64 already installed and latest version
<xarc> Nothing to do
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<havenwood> xarc: oh, xml2-config
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<havenwood> xarc: i guess that'd be: sudo yum install libxml2-devel
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<xarc> havenwood: same error
<xarc> that did not solve the issue :/
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<havenwood> xarc: sudo yum install libxslt libxslt-devel
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<xarc> havenwood: thanks
<havenwood> xarc: you're welcome
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<Guest8101> Is anybody here?
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<womble> No.
<apeiros> he's gone
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<womble> I know.
<[spoiler]> Who's gone
<centrx> anybody?
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<womble> Elvis.
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<klmlfl> I am trying to understand why Ruby allows this syntax '+somemethod+' within a string. Can someone help? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/153939a7a3d254a469e0
<apeiros> klmlfl: it's not within a string
<apeiros> 'I *really* like ' # string ends at second '
<jhass> klmlfl: That's using the String#+ method two times, it creates one string out of three
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<apeiros> and then it's just what jhass said.
<klmlfl> oh wow, you're right! thanks!
<jhass> note that we prefer to use "string #{interpolation}"
<apeiros> jhass beat me to it
<klmlfl> Yea, me too.
<klmlfl> i totally do too
<jhass> and snake_case for variable names
<apeiros> and proc over Proc.new
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<klmlfl> wait, i think i messed up.
<apeiros> you need " for #{}
<apeiros> and you missed doYouLike ;-)
<jhass> and do_you_like ;)
<klmlfl> yea
<apeiros> and Proc != proc
<klmlfl> i'm confused on one thing.
<apeiros> so close, yet so far :D
<klmlfl> what's up with Proc vs. proc?
<apeiros> Proc is a constant. proc is a method.
<apeiros> in most programming languages, case matters
<jhass> now there's only plenking (so you're good) :P
* apeiros tries to remember the language where `FooBar` and `foo_bar` and `FOO bar` would all be the same thing…
<jhass> apeiros: I was about to ask :P
<jhass> let's just claim VBScript does
<apeiros> nice! somebody else than me knows plenking!
<apeiros> jhass: I only remember that there is one
<klmlfl> apeiros: does that syntax make sense?
<apeiros> initially I found the idea repelling. but I'm not so sure anymore whether it's a bad idea.
<jhass> well, was it a good idea for filesystems
<jhass> I say no
<apeiros> klmlfl: yes, idiomatic ruby now IMO
<klmlfl> the proc is still confusing to me.
<klmlfl> I thought proc was an object.
<klmlfl> therefore proc.new
<apeiros> proc {} returns a Proc
<klmlfl> or Proc.new
<klmlfl> but now its just proc
<apeiros> proc is Kernel#proc method
<apeiros> Proc.new is equivalent to proc
<klmlfl> ok
<jhass> def proc(&block); Proc.new(&block); end;
<jhass> think of it as an alias
<zenspider> is't both, or all... and yes, it is a confusing mess.
<zenspider> don't forget lambda :/
<zenspider> and ->
<zenspider> and fuck me
<apeiros> -> and lambda are equivalent
<zenspider> I wish we'd collapse to just 1
<apeiros> but Proc.new/proc are not equivalent to lambda
<zenspider> I don't care
<apeiros> zenspider: agreed
<zenspider> I only want one entry point
<zenspider> we can pass options to have stupid differences in semantics
<zenspider> lambda(:return) { ... }
<apeiros> I also wish for a unified eval
<zenspider> or something
<klmlfl> ok thanks
<jhass> and Proc.new captures a block, so proc/Proc.new aren't the same either, just helps to think about it that way
<klmlfl> is it weird if i use proc.ew?
<klmlfl> .new
<klmlfl> helps me understand it better.
<jhass> proc { } is _a lot_ more common
<apeiros> klmlfl: it's fine if you use Proc.new
<jhass> but it's fine, yeah
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<klmlfl> until i get more familiar with the shortcut stuff, i would like to use proc.new
<apeiros> interesting. the C implementation of proc and Proc.new differs
<klmlfl> but im still quite confused about proc vs Proc
<jhass> Proc.new, case matters. Make it a habit to be pedantic about it when it comes to programming ;)
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<klmlfl> Proc.new - right?
<apeiros> Proc.new additionally invokes rb_obj_call_init. I assume that only matters for subclasses of Proc, or if you monkey patch
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<klmlfl> cool
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<seydar> this is seriously driving me nuts
<jhass> good
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<seydar> how can i do custom logging for rack and NOT have commonlogger?
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<jhass> don't add the middleware?
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: :D
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<ljarvis> heh
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