#ruby-lang on 2014-12-13 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-11-13 14:57 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com

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02:41 <RickHull> Hi, I am processing a series of arrays, and I need to track whether I've seen a given array already

02:41 <RickHull> e.g. arrays.each { |ary| puts "seen" if SEEN[ary] }

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02:41 <RickHull> in this case, storing each seen array as a hash key

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02:42 <RickHull> I don't actually need to refer to the array contents themselves, nor track anything

02:42 <RickHull> in the hash key

02:42 <RickHull> e.g. SEEN[ary] = true

02:42 <RickHull> is there a more appropriate structure for this? should I just do SEEN[ary.hash] instead of the full array ?

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02:43 <RickHull> i am concerned about the arrays themselves taking up memory, and also processing speed / operations

02:44 <RickHull> i would think ary.hash is being called internally at insertion time anyway

02:45 <micaeked> RickHull: Yep, use #hash. Also, you can use a Set instead of a Hash. Then `seen.include?(ary.hash)` to check.

02:45 <RickHull> i imagine Set uses a Hash behind the scenes anyway? semantically clearer

02:45 <RickHull> maybe quicker, maybe slower?

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02:47 <rotti_love> From Set docs: "Equality of elements is determined according to Object#eql? and Object#hash."

02:47 <RickHull> yeah, hash semantics as far as that goes

02:47 <rotti_love> damn dude you type quickly

02:47 <RickHull> i last played with Sets about 5 y ago. at that time IIRC it was implemented with a Hash behind the scenes

02:47 <RickHull> heh :)

02:48 <RickHull> ok, yeah. gonna try Set for semantics, assigning it ary.hash

02:49 <RickHull> do some benchmarking :)

02:50 <rotti_love> keep me posted on your findings!

02:52 <RickHull> will do

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03:09 <zenspider> RickHull: your code above is just fine

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03:10 <zenspider> the array is already in memory, so unless you're going over a shittonne of data, one more pointer isn't gonna matter

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03:13 <RickHull> ah!

03:14 <RickHull> i am generating the array randomly at the top of the loop

03:14 <RickHull> it should drop out of scope by the end of the loop

03:14 <RickHull> and get GC'd?

03:15 <zenspider> it doesn't matter until you measure and prove there is a problem

03:15 <zenspider> so just go for it

03:15 <RickHull> good point, i am setting up now to compare

03:15 <zenspider> not sure why you're doing a const... but I do next if seen[obj]; seen[obj] = true; do_stuff

03:15 <zenspider> don't compare now. you don't have a problem

03:16 <RickHull> I like Set for semantics, expression of intent

03:17 <RickHull> ok, so yeah, there is the obj vs obj.hash, what you're talking about

03:17 <RickHull> and Set vs Hash

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03:20 <zenspider> you're mentarbating when you could be done already

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03:21 <micaeked> zenspider: find pleasure where you can =)

03:21 <RickHull> zenspider: *nod*

03:22 <zenspider> Cult of Done

03:22 <zenspider> http://www.brepettis.com/blog/2009/3/3/the-cult-of-done-manifesto.html

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04:17 <RickHull> zenspider: https://github.com/rickhull/conway_deathmatch/blob/master/bin/proving_ground # DONE

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04:20 <pipework> RickHull: That's neat.

04:20 <RickHull> thanks! it's pretty easy to get started and fool around with (AFAICT)

04:21 <pipework> Whoa, hakiri seems interesting.

04:21 <RickHull> yeah, i got badge-fever xD

04:22 <pipework> Didn't have a test coverage badge.

04:22 <RickHull> yeah, um...

04:22 <RickHull> i don't think it will come out very good just yet

04:22 <RickHull> i just got the deathmatch modes squared away (in my head and the code the last few days)

04:23 <pipework> RickHull: Maybe it'd be a challenge to bring your publicly visible test coverage badge up to good levels.

04:23 <RickHull> i'm in polishing mode, and adding more tests is a big part of that

04:24 <RickHull> added some good ones today for deathmatch

04:25 <pipework> RickHull: It'd be awesome to make an 'mmo' that's distributed for this.

04:25 <pipework> Like an IdleRPG of sorts.

04:25 <RickHull> yeah, i'm wide open to building stuff on top

04:26 <RickHull> i gotta give a shout out to http://gameoflifetotalwar.com/ as inspiration

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04:29 <micaeked> related: http://lifecompetes.com/

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04:32 <pipework> RickHull: Wow.

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04:32 <RickHull> micaeked: cool, wasn't aware

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06:14 <RickHull> hm, i've got a bit of a stumper. npop is a hash, likely empty. npop.reduce([]] { ### blah ### }.sample # getting NoMethodError for nilClass#sample

06:14 <RickHull> er, npop.reduce([]) { ### blah ### }.sample

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06:15 <RickHull> oh, whoops, nvm

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06:15 <RickHull> stupid memo

06:16 <RickHull> i was doing memo << bar # should be memo + [:bar] ?

06:17 <RickHull> er, should be memo + [bar] ?

06:17 <RickHull> memo.unshift(bar) ?

06:18 <RickHull> er, memo.push(bar) # fml

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06:20 <micaeked> RickHull: Yep, #push.

06:20 <RickHull> #push mutates, which isn't necessary, but it is sufficient

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06:22 <micaeked> RickHull: Yep. Any of those work, as long as you return the memo from the block. #push is prefered because it returns self.

06:22 <RickHull> yeah, i guess that's better than memo + [obj]

06:22 <RickHull> avoiding object creation?

06:23 * RickHull mentarbates wildly

06:23 <micaeked> Heh.

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06:24 <RickHull> ah, it wasn't the accumulator, it was -- as noted -- not returning memo due to a failed if

06:25 <RickHull> whoa

06:25 <RickHull> mega speedup on tests xD

06:26 <RickHull> from ~850~ assertions/s to 1284 just now

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06:33 <RickHull> is there a way to do something like ary.reduce(:+) that returns 0 on an empty array?

06:33 <RickHull> i think i found it :)

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10:21 <[spoiler]> So...

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15:30 <nofxx__> Trying to find something in http://guides.rubygems.org, what's the convention for core exts? lib/mygem/core_ext/hash.rb and inside a not namespaced class Hash ?

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15:33 <yorickpeterse> nofxx__: there's no real convention for it

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15:35 <jhass> that said core_ext is something I commonly see

15:35 <jhass> since AS uses it

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15:40 <nofxx__> yorickpeterse, jhass I see, as long it's not lying in lib/. But if it's inside mygem/ should it be module Mygem; class ::Hash ? not, right? heh

15:41 <jhass> lib/mygem/core_ext/hash/my_method.rb with class Hash; def my_method; end; end; is the thing I see the most

15:41 <nofxx__> I totally disagree with core_ext anyways, expect in a case like this, it's just a CLI tool... just so you guys know

15:41 <nofxx__> except*

15:41 * yorickpeterse puts the whip down

15:41 <nofxx__> hehe

15:42 <nofxx__> thanks guys

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16:48 <epitron> nofxx__: it's actually nice to wrap your core_exts in a module, then mix it into hash

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16:49 <epitron> that way, in pry, when you "ls Hash", you can see the methods grouped together

16:49 <epitron> ^_^

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16:52 <apeiros_> it also makes it easier to figure the origin of a method (if you're not the author)

16:53 <epitron> hah, yes

16:54 <epitron> although, the method itself is always tagged with the source file that it came from

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17:18 <ljarvis> ohi

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17:28 <ljarvis> apeiros_: I think RhodiumToad doesn't sleep and knows everything

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17:28 <apeiros_> ljarvis: lurker :-p

17:28 <ljarvis> :)

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17:28 <ljarvis> I love that channel, though sometimes it makes me feel inferior

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17:31 <apeiros_> I'll probably spend a bit more time in there in the coming months

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17:51 <ljarvis> :)

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17:55 <epitron> SECRET CHANNEL

17:55 <epitron> DUN DUN DUNNN

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17:56 <apeiros_> epitron: #postgresql

17:56 <apeiros_> not secret

17:57 <apeiros_> I shall usurp all of RhodiumToad's knowledge

17:58 <matti> ;]

17:58 <matti> Hi apeiros_

17:59 <apeiros_> hi matti

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18:12 <TTilus> Finland! \o/ http://www.floorball.org/news.asp?kieli=826&id_tiedote=4210

18:12 <TTilus> ahem

18:13 <TTilus> whats the deal with merging #ruby & #ruby-lang

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18:14 <matti> ?

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18:15 <centrx> TTilus, There are no plans for that

18:15 <centrx> TTilus, They each have their own vibe

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18:19 <epitron> apeiros_: oic

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18:36 <yorickpeterse> yay I have C code that is faster than racc

18:36 <yorickpeterse> and yay I have Ruby code that is almost as fast as racc

18:36 <yorickpeterse> nay it's not yet 3x faster :<

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19:04 <TTilus> centrx: ok, good, i remember there being such plans, but it was long ago

19:05 <TTilus> yorickpeterse: your ruby parser?

19:06 <yorickpeterse> TTilus: a parser for XML, yes

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19:06 <yorickpeterse> Although I'm running tests using a simple JSON grammar

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19:10 <TTilus> parser had written in C vs. racc generated parser vs. parser hand written in ruby?

19:11 <TTilus> or s/parser/grammar interpreter/

19:11 <yorickpeterse> hand written LL parser in Ruby vs a C version vs LALR parser using Racc

19:11 <yorickpeterse> The grammar is the same though

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19:12 <TTilus> how fast you think you can go? (how much there is left to squeeze in each of them)

19:12 <yorickpeterse> https://gist.github.com/YorickPeterse/5bae466366b915608bab teh codez

19:12 <yorickpeterse> TTilus: I can move a whole bunch of stack pushing/popping out of Ruby, which is where most of the time is spent

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19:12 <yorickpeterse> but it's a bit tricky

19:13 <yorickpeterse> especially since C doesn't have vectors, so you have to use random libraries for it

19:13 <yorickpeterse> which of course don't always work, etc

19:13 <yorickpeterse> and apparently you can just stuff a VALUE in a vector (or somewhere else) in the CAPI, as then all hell breaks loose

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19:19 <yorickpeterse> I messed with C++ as well by using std::stack/std::vector, but that actually ended up being slower than the pure Ruby version

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19:34 <TTilus> yorickpeterse: thats somewhat surprising

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21:16 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: C

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21:54 * apeiros_ is currently being annoyed by launchctl & postgres

21:54 <apeiros_> might also be a problem with brew's install

21:54 <bradland> time for some log diving

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22:00 <apeiros_> I can't reliably restart postgres, I can't reliably test whether nossl connections are rejected. I can't reliably test whether my connection uses ssl.

22:00 <apeiros_> this. is. annoying.

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22:05 <bradland> apeiros: sudo launchctl log level debug

22:05 <bradland> and put on your goggles

22:05 <bradland> is it launchctl that’s failing, or is it postgres itself?

22:06 <apeiros_> bradland: I think I'll figure this part out another day. too tired right now. thanks for the log level hint, duly noted.

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