<MrGando>
banister_ also , why would you say it's almost non-idiomatic to use them (and/or) ... just curious :)
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<banister_>
MrGando: because people dont use it :)
<MrGando>
banister_ but why are they part of the language then ?
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<banister_>
MrGando: im sure every language has things that aren't used often, ruby has more than just and/or ,too
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<banister_>
MrGando: @@vars aren't used much either
<banister_>
MrGando: and i'm sure c++ has a tonne
<MrGando>
banister_ Yeah, I have a C++ background ( gamedev )
<Spooner>
banister_ : I often use and/or - just don't like &&/||.
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<banister_>
Spooner: yeah butyou're def. in the minority afaict
<MrGando>
Spooner banister_ was telling me that and/or don't follow same precedence order than && ||
<Spooner>
banister_ : @@vars are a bit diffferent, since they have been replaced with something that is massively better (class instance variables).
<Spooner>
MrGando : Indeed they don't.
<Spooner>
banister_ : Yes, I have yet to see other people using and/or, but I don't read a massive amount of other people's code.
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<MrGando>
Spooner I was wondering what are they using in a big project like rails , I haven't checked out myself ... but I would tend to think they have some coding standards there ?
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<banister_>
MrGando: srsly why is this such a big issue for u, time to move on... ;)
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<maccosmo>
they use almost everything what's possible in ruby
<maccosmo>
sometimes it's an esthetic decision
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<maccosmo>
when you use loops in a language you can choose between different constructs and sometimes it doesn't matter what you choose.
<maccosmo>
some prefer each and the other prefer for .. in
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<MrGando>
banister_ nah , it's not ... I just wanted to know :)
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<tintin>
anyone?
<Spooner>
MrGando: If you want to be "normal", just use &&||!
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<davidcelis>
MrGando: Because 'and' and 'or' still have their use.
<davidcelis>
MrGando: Sure, don't use them in boolean conditional statements, but they're nice to evaluate multiple expressions in one line.
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<MrGando>
davidcelis I see, could you give me an example of proper and/or ussage ?
<davidcelis>
MrGando: render_404 and return
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<MrGando>
davidcelis ok , I understand
<MrGando>
davidcelis that's cool :)
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<gurjeet>
I am installing redmine on a personal machine running on Rackspace.
<gurjeet>
I have got it running (CentOS 6.2) but need some help in tweaking it.
<gurjeet>
Can someone tell me how to modify apache config so that I can access my redmine installation as mydomain.com/redmine instead of redmine.mydomain.com
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<shevy>
no real idea
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<nedbat>
if I have a class Foo, and I want to make a list of class instances, as literals, is there a way other than [ Foo.new("a"), Foo.new("b"), etc..] ?
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<bradb>
%w(a b c d e f).map { |val| Foo.new(val) } might be a tad more concise
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<bradb>
unless the literals have spaces in them, in which case you'd need to use, e.g. ["foo bar", "baz"].map { |v| Foo.new(v) }
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<bradb>
you could also write a class method, e.g. Foo.multiple_new, or something, which encapsulates that
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<nedbat>
bradb: thanks, I actually need a mix of objects in the array: [ Foo.new("a"), Bar.new("b"), Bar.new("c"), ...]
<EstanislaoStan>
Hi everyone. I was wondering if there was a method that works like split does, except instead of returning an array, it returns a hash.
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<Kunda>
justsee, would i get these errors if I didn't install the 'rake' gem prior to ?
<_br_>
banister_: Asking about VMWare in #ruby makes sense yes :)
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<banister_>
_br_: #ruby can support the odd off-topic question :)
<Kunda>
_br_: mind taking a look at the 2nd pastebin link I posted ?
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<_br_>
Kunda: This line "@data = { apikey: apikey }" tell me that you are using 1.9.x syntax which is incompatible with Ruby 1.8.x. So, either run this with the ruby 1.9 version from you packet manager installed or use rbenv/rvm
<_br_>
Kunda: already did :)
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<_br_>
banister_: hope you get an answer, otherwise, did you try #vmware ?
<banister_>
_br_: of course, no answer in #vmware
<_br_>
:(
<Kunda>
oh ok..on Debian Squeeze. so i should uninstall ruby 1.8 and then install ruby 1.9 is what you're saying ?
<Kunda>
what you are offering as an option, shall i say
<_br_>
Kunda: Its kind of cumbersome with gems and different vm's on debian in my opinion. (I use it myself on a few servers) So, I would suggest RVM.
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<Kunda>
_br_, ok. I just installed 1.8 but an hour ago. So how should i proceed if I want to use RVM ?
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<_br_>
Kunda: Use the power of google :)
<Kunda>
_br_, can you help me with the search query.
<_br_>
banister_: what tool are you using anyway? VMware player?
<banister_>
_br_: work station
<_br_>
banister_: and you want to export it to what exactly? You are aware that the .vmx files by themselves are already copyable?
<banister_>
_br_: i dont know, i know nothing about vmware. Basically i received an osx vmware image from a friend, i loaded it, installed xcode on it, and now i want to send it back to taht friend. how do i do it?
<offby1>
yow
<offby1>
the main barrier will be simply: it's so damned big.
<_br_>
banister_: find the .vmx files which were created by the software and send that to your friend - done.
<banister_>
offby1: hello my emacs greybeard
<Kunda>
_br_, rvm-install is not auto-completing looks like it's not in my $PATH
* offby1
shaves
<_br_>
Kunda: there is a nice manual on that page how to do it
<banister_>
offby1: 7 gig is no big deal actually, she downloads entire series of game of thrones that are about that :)
<offby1>
I wonder if there's some clever binary-diffing tool that will let you send just the patches
<banister_>
offby1: and boardwalk empire, and so on
<banister_>
_br_: hmm, thanks, ill have a look
<offby1>
and you're willing to upload that much?
<banister_>
_br_: where are they saved?
<_br_>
offby1: unison, git annex etc. ?
<banister_>
offby1: Yeah. 7 gig is not that much in teh scheme of thines
<banister_>
things
<offby1>
seems like it ought to be easy then, as _br_ says
<offby1>
not that I've ever done such a thing
<_br_>
offby1: ah actually git bup does that. Git bup works on chunks.
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<offby1>
hm, /me needs to learn about that.
<banister_>
_br_: where would i find the vmx files? im really new to vmware
<_br_>
banister_: you configured that in the beginning when you installed the app
<_br_>
So, time for coffee bbl
<offby1>
banister_: try ``find ~/.vm*''
<offby1>
banister_: for what it's worth -- vmware is about the only software that I've _happily_ paid for
<billiamii>
Though isn't the vmx just the config file?
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<billiamii>
like, vmx for config, vmdk for the actual disk image?
<banister_>
offby1: i'm on windows 7
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<offby1>
banister_: it'll be in %USERPROFILE%, maybe "Application Data"
<offby1>
you'll find it. It'll be the 2 GB file :)
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<offby1>
_br_: bup looks _really_ slick. Do you use it?
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<recursive>
im developing on a freebsd machine a program that will be used on mac osx computers, i would like it to have a user interface, what are my options?
<offby1>
the command line!
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<offby1>
Best and most portable user interface there is.
<offby1>
I'm only 90% kidding.
<offby1>
80%.
<banister_>
offby1: do you use org-mode?
<recursive>
heh, if it were my company, that would be my choice
<RubyPanther>
I dunno why you're 80% kidding, you were 95% correct.
<offby1>
banister_: a bit, mostly for the tables
<banister_>
offby1: cool. Do you use magit?
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<_br_>
banister_: .vm*
<banister_>
_br_: do i need the .vmem file too? or can they recreate that on the other side?
<banister_>
it's an extra 2 gigs
<_br_>
banister_: sorry, no idea.
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<bradhe>
cross post from #RubyOnRails: Anyone familiar with Mongoid? What's a good way to iterate over all documents? Anything equivalent to ActiveRecord#find_each?
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<cpg>
billiamii: thanks! .. i was looking for some official definition or something
<cpg>
but i could not find it
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<cpg>
billiamii: If for some reason the previous examples seemed like great ideas to you, you’ll be thrilled to know that the splat can also be used to coerce values into arrays
<cpg>
hahaha
<cpg>
billiamii: thanks for the link!
<billiamii>
You bet :)
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<banister_>
does anyone here have a subscription to railscasts
<banister_>
?
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<_br_>
banister_: why
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<banister_>
_br_: only because it appears it may mention one of my projects, and im curious what it has to say about it
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<banister_>
_br_: you haev a subscription? :)
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<Solnse>
x-post from rails chan, everybody sleeping: I keep receiving an error "Can't convert rand to integer" and I can't find anything helpful on Google... anybody had this problem before? code is very simple: <%= image_path("thumbnails/yana#{ rand(1..8).to_s }thumb.jpg") %>
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<_br_>
banister_: you can't just buy that episode?
<banister_>
_br_: doesnt look like it, i have to buy a monthly subscription
<_br_>
banister_: have not sub unfortuantely
<banister_>
np
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<_br_>
Solnse: weird, are you using 1.9 ?
<banister_>
Solnse: rand(1..8) is only valid in 1.9.3+
<banister_>
if you'r eon 1.9.2 it wont work
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<the_drow>
Hi, I've installed puppet-module on Windows 7 b4bit but when I run puppet-module I get the folllowing error http://pastebin.com/qqeThACx
<Solnse>
banister_ thank you, it works locally, but now I'm having problems pushing to heroku, that mean I have to wait for them to go 1.9.3+?
<the_drow>
C:/Ruby193/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/puppet-2.7.14/lib/puppet/util/monkey_patches.rb:3:in `maxgroups=': maxgroups=() func tion is unimplemented on this machine (NotImplementedError)
<the_drow>
how come it's not implemented and how do I fix this?
<Solnse>
is there an alternative to rand() that works before 1.9.3?
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<shevy>
Solnse you can kinda make your own rand method
<banister_>
Solnse: yes
<banister_>
Solnse: Random.new.rand(1..8)
<shevy>
hmm that works on 1.8?
<banister_>
Solnse: require 'random'
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<banister_>
shevy: no, 1.9 series
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<shevy>
I still feel strange using 1.9.3 these days, it's like a little ruby dialect compared to 1.8.7 :)
<Solnse>
banister_: thanks, I'll try taht
<shevy>
like a german where "Und" became "Uend" banister_
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<Solnse>
banister_: fantastic, thank you for your help. it works now :)
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<the_drow>
anyone?
<banister_>
the_drow: stop using windows
<the_drow>
can't do that right now
<banister_>
then expect random breakages :P ppl dont really care too much about supporting it fully
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<the_drow>
Seriously?
<the_drow>
dafuq?
<banister_>
the_drow: Yeah, windows has never been a priority for ruby developers
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<banister_>
the_drow: it's a terrible development platform for ruby, they even have to use a non standard C compiler to even build ruby binaries
<banister_>
since visual studio can't compile c99
<the_drow>
python manages to do it just fine
<the_drow>
and I read they wanted to move to mingw
<banister_>
the_drow: python probably doesnt use c99
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<the_drow>
should I go and report an issue on this?
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<banister_>
the_drow: sure
<the_drow>
So it's a bug right?
<banister_>
the_drow: it seems like python doesnt use c99
<banister_>
the_drow: it might not be a bug, they might have decided just not to implement it for windows because it was too hard, or maybe not even possible
<banister_>
i dont know the specifics of that method
<shevy>
the_drow whoa... puppet really has a file called monkey_patches.rb ? and that file does not work on windows ?
<the_drow>
yup
<the_drow>
and no one is answering on puppet
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<shevy>
these days I tend to prefer only projects that use github
<shevy>
reporting issues is so simple there
<banister_>
the_drow: is it written in C or ruby?
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<banister_>
the_drow: why dont u look inside that method and see why it's raising the exception
<the_drow>
because I don't know ruby at all?
<yxhuvud>
best way to learn!
<shevy>
if I have to make a guess, it is plain ruby
<the_drow>
unless defined? JRUBY_VERSION Process.maxgroups = 1024 end
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<shevy>
yeah they should rescue NotImplementedError
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<the_drow>
why?
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<shevy>
because apparently it does not work for you on windows
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<shevy>
unless they stated that they do not support windows anyway
<shevy>
but in which case, you should not be using it :P
<banister_>
the_drow: shevy likes to babble :P Just file an issue
<the_drow>
They do support windows
<the_drow>
kk
<banister_>
the_drow: whether or not it's a bug at least you'll find out what the situation is
<yxhuvud>
well, if they look for jruby version, then it probably is an issue with not using jruby, and not of you using windows
<shevy>
the puppy guys seem incompetent
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<the_drow>
well after removing those lines it still doesn't work
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<the_drow>
PS C:\> puppet-module install puppetlabs/apt C:/Ruby193/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.9.1/rubygems/custom_require.rb:36:in `require': iconv will be deprecated in the future, use String#encode instead. C:/Ruby193/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/puppet-module-0.3.4/vendor/thor-852190ae/lib/thor/shell.rb:10: Use RbConfig instead of obsolete and deprecated Config. Could not load confine test 'operatingsystem': cannot load such file -- puppet/provider/co
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<shevy>
sounds like another issue to be reported
<the_drow>
crap Error: `puppet module` actions are currently not supported on Microsoft Windows
<shevy>
:)
<the_drow>
I just figured out how to get that message
<shevy>
so at least they notify users about it
<shevy>
that is nice
<the_drow>
I FUCKING HATE WINDOWS
<shevy>
it's bad, one can workaround some things though
<shevy>
I uses msys on windows (I can use all bash aliases that way) and ruby works very well on windows for the most part too
<the_drow>
Seriously all I want to do is to use puppet and vagrant so that I'll have an ubuntu machine that I can actually develop on
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<shevy>
one day we'll have a rubyOS
<shevy>
banister_ is working on that via pry
<shevy>
:D
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<markp>
is there a free pdf rendering library in native ruby?
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<raz>
anyone know if there's a way to run only a specific spec interactively with guard?
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<shevy>
class Array does not have .each_pair ?
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<shevy>
ack
<shevy>
where is .each_pair ???? seems my ruby does not have it?
<shevy>
oh
<shevy>
on class Hash
<shevy>
there it works
<shevy>
:)
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<sepp2k>
shevy: each_pair yields key-value-pairs, so it doesn't really make sense for anything but hashes. You might be looking for each_slice(2)
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<dekroning>
hi
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<dekroning>
i'm writing simple turn based game, but i'm trying to use the right name for my object. Anyone know the antonym for opponent? Somehow 'challenger' doesn't feel like the right one to me
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<CannedCorn>
i can get to author with css("feed entry author")
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<CannedCorn>
but i can't access the usr:username
<dekronin1>
oops, got disconnected
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<Kunda>
How would I go about creating a form accessible via browser that I can pass variables to this https://github.com/cyx/chimp ?
<sepp2k>
dekronin1: Can you explain the purpose of the object? I would have said friend or ally (if someone is not your opponent, he's your ally - maybe), but that doesn't seem to be what you're going for if you're thinking 'challenger'...
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<CannedCorn>
nobody
<CannedCorn>
?
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<zealinux>
In rails, How to mark a record when click delete, ex. one post, yet direct :destory
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<zealinux>
mark a record "deletion"
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<zealinux>
help me, pls
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<Spooner>
Which is what you want, I think, though it might be confusion in what you are asking.
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<offby1>
R3dy: there's also a chance that you don't have two backslashes in a row at all, despite appearances; you might have just one which is _displaying_ as two.
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<offby1>
'cuz that's how they do
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<lesnik_>
Hi!
<Spooner>
lesnik_ : hullo
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<iceslice>
HELPP gem install zookeeper issue, windows 7 64 bit, new to ruby installed ruby and dev kit, http://pastebin.com/PYvqu9h0
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<shevy>
iceslice I dont think you can find out the error from that alone
<shevy>
"Check the mkmf.log file for more details."
<shevy>
perhaps the real culprit lies in that
<shevy>
problem is that it must compile something
<iceslice>
shevy i cant find the mkmf.log file
<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
gem uses a standard way to compile and install things
<shevy>
for instance, all gems are stored in a cache/ directory, like /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/cache/
<shevy>
iceslice, what if you remove the 2>&1 from that command?
<iceslice>
from extconf.rb?
<shevy>
hmm I think so. or perhaps try to run it directly, not sure
<shevy>
I use windows only as secondary platform myself
<shevy>
in these kind of things, linux makes work really easier :)
<iceslice>
C:\Ruby193\lib\ruby\gems\1.9.1\gems\zookeeper-1.2.8\ext>./configure --prefix=C:/Ruby193/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/zookeeper-1.2.8/ext --with-pic --without-cppunit --disable-dependency-tracking '.' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
<iceslice>
same thing happens when i run it directly
<iceslice>
without the 2>&1
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<epochwolf>
tommylommykins: I think the guide says that. It's a guide, not the bible.
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<epochwolf>
bible = follow exactly (exceptions: if jewish, ignore the second half, if christian, ignore the first half, if fundamentist christian, it all applies and execute anyone that doesn't agree)
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<epochwolf>
it's hanging on stdin, waiting for input
<epochwolf>
when run in non-interactive mode, it does that
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<epochwolf>
walterheck: guessing here, but the --sh switch might kick it into the proper mode.
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<walterheck>
epochwolf: hold on, let me try
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<epochwolf>
"If standard input is not a TTY, a blueprint is read from standard input rather than created from the system. See blueprint(5) for the details of the format"
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<epochwolf>
walterheck: you're at a hackthon, stupid but working code is prefered over non-working code.
<walterheck>
epochwolf: nevertheless, 18 hours into a hackathon this is allowed :)
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<weeb1e>
If anyone here happens to work with SourceMod in C++, drop me a message. Looking for someone interested in helping build an interface for mruby which I have embedded into SourceMod.
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<epochwolf>
walterheck: Evil thought, set $PS1 before running that command.
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<epochwolf>
walterheck: depending on what that script is keying off of it might be tricked into working.
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<epochwolf>
wait, nevermind, it expects STDIN to be a tty
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<ukd1>
Is there an easy way to not return something when using map?
<epochwolf>
walterheck: /bin/bash -i "command"
<shevy>
ukd1 hardly. .map means "work on each element and then return that"
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<shevy>
%w( abc def ).map(&:size) # => [3, 3]
<banisterfiend>
ukd1: why would u not want to return something, map() is used for its retrn value, not its side effects
<epochwolf>
ukd1: you can do [].map{|v| v.size == 0 ? nil : v.size }.compat
<epochwolf>
compat removes nils from an array
<ukd1>
perhaps I'm using it for the wrong thing - I just want to loop around each item and store the result in another array, but skip some
<epochwolf>
ukd1: if you just want to remove stuff, use reject_if
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<shevy>
yeah
<epochwolf>
ukd1: that's two steps, a remove operation and a map operation.
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<epochwolf>
walterheck: crap, no ideas. :(
<walterheck>
epochwolf: in man bash I read:
<walterheck>
An interactive shell is one started without non-option arguments and without the -c option whose standard input and error are both connected to terminals
<walterheck>
(as determined by isatty(3)), or one started with the -i option. PS1 is set and $- includes i if bash is interactive, allowing a shell script or a
<epochwolf>
walterheck: okay, I need to head home.I don't plan on jumping back online but if it's an emergency, you can email me at epochwolf@gmail.com. I'll have my phone with me. :)
<epochwolf>
It should only take me 20 minutes or so to get back.
<walterheck>
epochwolf: thanks, i'll figure it out!
<epochwolf>
get back home*
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<walterheck>
thanks a bunch for the leads, I thought I was going insane :)
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<johnwarren>
Newbie question about gems and dependencies. I have installed the gem thor (0.15.2). But when I try to install the E-commerce Ruby software "spree," it throws an error about how the gem "railties" requires thor (~> 0.14.6, runtime). Wonder what I should do? Any help much appreciated.
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<Nitrodist>
johnwarren: ~> means that it requiers version 0.14.x
<Boohbah>
gem 'thor', '~> 0.14.6'
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<Boohbah>
johnwarren: in your Gemfile
<johnwarren>
Oh, OK, so mine is too new and I should revert to the older one?
<Nitrodist>
johnwarren: is there a Gemfile in the directory? you use the bundle command to automatically handle gem dependencies
<johnwarren>
Nitrodist: OK…i just installed bundler and hope this will help
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<johnwarren>
Thanks.
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<Nitrodist>
johnduhart: got it sorted out?
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* johnduhart
shurgs
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<shevy>
jondyoghurt!
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<shevy>
I want mRuby to power the rubyOS
<shevy>
Hanmac should build a C++ scaffold for that :D
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