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<werdnativ> If anyone feels like running a 2-second test suite just for kicks: https://github.com/seejohnrun/ice_cube/issues/174
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<havenwood> werdnativ: 723 examples, 0 failures
<werdnativ> thanks, same here. dunno. :(
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<werdnativ> The failure seems to be repeatable on travis-ci… it's just comparing Time.local instances which is something that's done all throughout the whole test suite so I think we know how to do that by now... I'm at a loss to explain why this one is failing.
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<havenwood> werdnativ: I'd be curious to see the result when comparing #to_i.
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<werdnativ> havenwood: 1369955816 == 1369955816; I could probably cheat the test by comparing the to_s or to_i, but that defeats the point, in case there's some underlying issue.
<havenwood> werdnativ: Are they both the same class? Compare #class?
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<havenwood> werdnativ: One an ActiveRecord time or something?
<werdnativ> Yes, both are Time, I event compared class.object_id
<havenwood> werdnativ: ermagawd
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<werdnativ> must be some edge case due to environment… I tried with ENV['TZ']=UTC but no change.
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<havenwood> werdnativ: Weird. Could skip test on Travis or start an issue ticket with Travis guys and see if they can figure it out.
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<werdnativ> yeah, I might try that. I wouldn't think they'd be interested to look but it's an interesting one.
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<Nikki_L> Hi Guys, I'm playing around with Ruby, and I'm following this guide: http://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html. It showed me how to create a category, and nest items under it. How can I allow users to nest items under items automatically?
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<Spooner> Nikki_L, #rubyonrails channel is more Rails-focussed than this general channel.
<Nikki_L> Okay, thanks Spooner
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<ClientAlive> has anyone dealt with installing rvm before? I don't think anyone on #arch knows how to help me and thier wiki says something I don't quite get the rvm wiki says something I don't understand. It says: "Note: Remember to change the line [ [ -s $HOME/.rvm/scripts/rvm ] ] && source $HOME/.rvm/scripts/rvm to the system-wide location changing $HOME to /usr/local/" <- but I don't see where it tells you where to put it. https://wiki.archlinux.org/
<ClientAlive> index.php/RVM
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<havenwood> ClientAlive: You might try #rvm as well.
<ClientAlive> thx
<havenwood> ClientAlive: As an alternative, chruby is included in the AUR: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby#readme
<ClientAlive> every chanel I go to has progressively fewer and fewer users
<havenwood> ClientAlive: Haha.
<ClientAlive> lol
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<ClientAlive> it's one of those situations where ruby is a prereq for what i'm really trying to install, I go to install ruby via the preferred method, and get stuck in the mud with it.
<ClientAlive> DOH!
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<ClientAlive> havenwood: perhaps if you were to look at the line in the wiki you would understand where I have not?
<ClientAlive> are you willing to give it a shot?
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<havenwood> ClientAlive: Are you doing a system-wide install of RVM?
<havenwood> ClientAlive: (The standard install is Single-User. The Multi-User install is a system-wide install.
<havenwood> )
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<ClientAlive> havenwood: yes
<havenwood> ClientAlive: You are server admin, need multi-user support?
<ClientAlive> I was trying to but perhaps that was a mistake since I am the only admin for the system
<ClientAlive> I effed up
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<ClientAlive> now what do I do?
<havenwood> ClientAlive: I'd definitely recommend Single-User install. Do a `rvm implode` to completely remove RVM and then run the install script again?
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<ClientAlive> havenwood: are you serious? there is an "rvm implode"?
<havenwood> ClientAlive: Yup.
<ClientAlive> lmao
<ClientAlive> hilarious
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<ClientAlive> thx man - got er'
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<bnagy> systemwide rvm is the worst of all worlds
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<becom33> is there a way we can use a variable to defind a method ? for example lets say I have module and most of the module named with 'sys' like 'sys_name' 'sys_date'
<becom33> so I was wondering if we can use the 'sys' into a variable
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<bnagy> you can use send for this kind of thing
<bnagy> stub='sys_'; some_modue.send stub << 'date'
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<becom33> no I mean when ur definding the method . like when ur creating the method insted using doing "def sys_name" can we use a variable where sys is been used
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<becom33> bnagy,
<bnagy> define_method
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<becom33> I dont think I understand
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<bnagy> >> class Foo; define_method( 'fo' << 'o' ) { "FOO!!" }; end; Foo.new.foo
<eval-in> bnagy => "FOO!!" (http://eval.in/31498)
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<ClientAlive> I've never dealt with ruby before. If a document lists: ruby, jruby, rails and ruby gems - do I have to install all of them or just pick one of them?
<bnagy> you can't use ruby ( MRI ) and jruby at the same time
<bnagy> they're alternative ruby interpreters
<bnagy> rails and ruby gems are stuff that's on top
<bnagy> but you'll get gems with any ruby install, so you don't need to worry about it
<ClientAlive> so all of those things are comaparable to java (in the sense that they are an interpreter)?
<bnagy> no, just ruby and jruby
<ClientAlive> ok
<bnagy> rails is a web app framework and gems is our add-on software system
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<havenwood> ClientAlive: JRuby runs on the JVM like Java. Ruby runs on MRI, an interpreter written by the Ruby folks in Tokyo.
<ClientAlive> so it sounds like I would choose one of (ruby or jruby) + rails and ruby gems added to whichever I choose
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<bnagy> yeah, except you won't have to add gems, you'll just get it
<ClientAlive> ah
<ClientAlive> ahhh
<ClientAlive> ok
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<ClientAlive> so if installing redmine is my goal, what is the better choice for me? ruby or jruby?
<bnagy> NFI I don't do web crap :)
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<ClientAlive> lol
<ClientAlive> ok
<bnagy> either should work, ruby is probably safer
<bnagy> jruby will be faster if it works
<ClientAlive> right on man
<ClientAlive> thx
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<aces1up23> if i have a binary encoded string ex.. Its a jpg image but i also want to add regular text to the string.. I'm doing a raw http post request.. can i just use the normal string functions like gsub etc.. or is there an issue combining these two things?
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<bnagy> http will be your problem, not string manipuation
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<aces1up23> bnagy how so?
<bnagy> it doesn't like raw binary
<aces1up23> Content-Type: multipart/form-data; boundary=---------------------------20159460510645
<aces1up23> Content-Length: 31518
<aces1up23> -----------------------------20159460510645
<aces1up23> Content-Type: image/jpeg
<aces1up23> Content-Disposition: form-data; name="file"; filename="1ac616746504.jpg"
<bnagy> I presume whatever you're using to do the post will sort it out though
<aces1up23> then it sends raw binary there.
<aces1up23> along with
<bnagy> ok
<aces1up23> extra params -----------------------------20159460510645
<aces1up23> Content-Disposition: form-data; name="commit"
<bnagy> anyway, strings in ruby handle binary just fine
<aces1up23> but
<aces1up23> hrmm ok well i'm seeing an issue when using gsub.
<aces1up23> for instance i have a string
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<aces1up23> my_var ---> jpg_binary data here
<aces1up23> sorry
<aces1up23> let me get some code for ya.
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<aces1up23> bnagy if you have some suggestions would be great.
<bnagy> can you construct a small test case?
<aces1up23> i will try
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<bnagy> "aaaa%foo%bbbb%foo%ccc".gsub "%foo%", File.binread('pavel.jpeg') that works fine for me
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<aces1up23> bnagy point the image_filename to a .jpg
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<aces1up23> i ran this in irb just now.
<aces1up23> with the error.
<aces1up23> the %imagedata% ends up in the middle of the binary string loaded from .jpg after gsub operation.
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<bnagy> ohhhh
<aces1up23> i think the key is converting
<bnagy> I bet it's hitting a \1 somewhere
<aces1up23> what happens on that?
<aces1up23> yeh and i'm sure it is.
<aces1up23> as there are many of those in the data.
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<bnagy> try str.gsub( 'blah' ) { File.binread( img_fn ) }
<bnagy> that should not do any backref parsing etc
<aces1up23> in irb on windows.. the mystr and image_data is two diff encodings, image_data --> ascii8bit, mystr ---> windows1252
<aces1up23> what is backref parsing?
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<bnagy> '\1'
<aces1up23> bnagy ok i will try it.
<aces1up23> what is the function though of it?
<bnagy> so you can use the match in your replacement
<aces1up23> hrmm any reason why it puts in middle? is that just the first location of \1 prolly?
<bnagy> >> "foofaafee".gsub /f(..)/, 'g\1'
<eval-in> bnagy => "googaagee" (http://eval.in/31504)
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<bnagy> it's \0 in your case, cause your regexp doesn't have any match groups
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<bnagy> anyway, block form should sort you out
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<aces1up23> bnagy nice worked great.
<aces1up23> and I didn't know about binread.. nice and short.
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<bnagy> btw you don't need to have your read in the block - in fact it's dumb if you are replacing more than once
<bnagy> I just did it for the example
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<aces1up23> bnagy great my next question.
<aces1up23> if i just had that data in a local var.
<aces1up23> pre-reading it.
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<rgrinberg> does anyone use rubinius for anything?
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<bnagy> some people I guess, but it's still not exactly mainstream
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<eggie5> ello?
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<numberten> is there an easy way to append text to the end of a specific line of a file?
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<p1ku> has anyone used helios with an ios app?
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<pagios_> hello, i am trying to put the console output and error written into a logfile using: ruby /var/www/myapp.rb &> /tmp/output.log & for some reason the file is always empty even though the script is executed
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<atmosx> pagios_: I'm too bored to test your example. you can always use logger http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.3/libdoc/logger/rdoc/Logger.html
<atmosx> pagios_: it's a safer bet
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<ericmathison> pagios_: i'm not sure what the ampersand after /tmp/output.log is for but if i run a ruby script in a simmilar fashon as you did, i get errors messages in the log file
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<ericmathison> i put just put a syntax error in my ruby script...
<ericmathison> *i just put
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<pagios_> erichmenge: it works fine if executed from commandline, if i try to include in in crontab @reboot it doesnt output anything
<artofraw> anybody knows if memory for variables in C is allocated in the order that they're defined?
<artofraw> so if I have 2 declarations, the first one will have a lower memory address than the 2nd
<ericmathison> pagios_: oh. i see
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<pagios_> atmosx: try that if you are really bored ;P
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<stenno> good day, at the moment we are deploying a sinatra server with rake simply with 'nohup rake &'. what would be the preferred way to automate the following task: "pull from the project git repository; kill and restart rake"?
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<stenno> can i express 'restart rake' in a rake task? :)
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<apeiros> stenno: make a pidfile, send a signal (either kill directly or trap one of the user signals)
<apeiros> alternatively you can replace the process using Kernel#exec
<atmosx> pagios_: implement the logger it's easy and won't polute your stdout. I'm studying analysis of drugs :-P (Chemistry)
<atmosx> :-P
<atmosx> how's life apeiros ? :-)
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<apeiros> as always
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<apeiros> and yours?
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<atmosx> apeiros: hard week ahead, exam period.
<apeiros> oy
<stenno> ergh, freenode timed out on me
<apeiros> easy week ahead, due to 4 day week-end :)
<stenno> it seems that Sinatra::Application.run! will fail if there is already something running
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<stenno> right now my workflow of restarting the rake task is getting the pid, killing it, then starting new
<stenno> i hoped there was a more elegant method to do the same
<stenno> s/task/process/
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<catphish> does ruby buffer reads from TCP streams automatically?
<catphish> i am currently doing a lot of TCPSocket#read(1) operations
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<MrZYX> doesn't the kernel already buffer?
<yxhuvud> catphish: you can gain a lot by buffering, in certain circumstances.
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<catphish> MrZYX: the kernel does buffer, but i don't want to make a huge number of kernel calls
<catphish> yxhuvud: indeed, hence my question
<catphish> looking at it, i believe ruby does not buffer reads
<yxhuvud> dunno about read, but readlines doesn't afaik
<MrZYX> well, I'd just do a quick benchmark, read a larger chunk into a StringIO and compare it with the raw read(1)'s
<yxhuvud> (when telling readlines to get a certain amount of lines)
<catphish> MrZYX: i've just started using stringio, it seems to work
<catphish> but wondered if there was a simpler way
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<catphish> just confirmed, without buffering to stringio manually, every read operation goes to the kernel
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<catphish> i could probably extend TCPSocket#read to add a buffer
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<MrZYX> I'd rather wrap it
<MrZYX> BufferedTCPSocket
<lxsameer> hi, what does "super" keyword do ?
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<catphish> MrZYX: that makes sense too
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<catphish> lxsameer: it calls the method you're overriding
<lxsameer> linduxed: thanks
<lxsameer> catphish: hm i see, but when i use "supoer" in a method i get this error "undefined method `save' for true:TrueClass"
<bhaak> stenno: File.open("pidfile", "w") {|f| f.puts(Process.pid) }
<catphish> lxsameer: well what class are you writing the method in? and what's it's parent class?
<stenno> oh hey bhaak
<catphish> sounds like you're extending TrueClass
<stenno> i see, i see :)
<bhaak> there's also the shorter $$ for Process.pid, but that's an ugly perlism
<lxsameer> CaptainKnots: its a rails related "class RegistrationsController < Devise::RegistrationsController"
<MrZYX> stenno: bhaak: there's a File.write
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<MrZYX> handy for single line writes
<catphish> lxsameer: then the error makes little sense :(
<catphish> check the stack trace closely
<lxsameer> catphish: how ?
<catphish> what's the method called that calls super?
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<bhaak> yeah, but with File.write you need to add a newline yourself if you want one
<lxsameer> catphish: create
<catphish> lxsameer: then "undefined method `save' for true:TrueClass" is not an error with your call to super
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<catphish> it's something else, read the stack trace
<lxsameer> catphish: ok, thanks
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<MrZYX> bhaak: I wouldn't want a newline in a pidfile ;)
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<catphish> is there a way to delete characters from the beginning of a string and return them without duping the string?
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<catphish> ah slice!
<bhaak> MrZYX: the ones I have in /var/run usually have a newline :)
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<MrZYX> catphish: most core bang methods work by calling the non-bang version and replacing self
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<catphish> well that sucks
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<MrZYX> but you might be lucky about slice!
<catphish> but hopefully its done nice and fast
<catphish> specifically i'm trying to make a buffered io so that read(n) returns the first n bytes of a buffer string
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<MrZYX> I would expect StringIO#read to consume
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<catphish> i'm not sure how that works actually
<Spooner> catphish, Yeah, use StringIO instead of a regular string. It does what you want already.
<MrZYX> hm, maybe it just has an internal position pointer to make seek and rewind work
<MrZYX> nonetheless #eof? should get you along
<catphish> i thought you could seek back in a stringio
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<catphish> i don't want my buffer to get larger forever :)
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<MrZYX> yup my logic would be something like def read(n); @buffer = StringIO.new(super(@buffer_size) if @buffer.nil? || @buffer.eof?; @buffer.read(n); end (simplified, not guarding against the edge case, for example n > buffer left)
<MrZYX> huh, initialize inside read?
<catphish> that's my current scrawling
<catphish> my mistake, i haben't tested it yet :)
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<MrZYX> yeah, seriously use StringIO
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<catphish> what's the advantage to stringio?
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<MrZYX> it already gives you a #read, #rewind etc
<MrZYX> #sekk
<MrZYX> *seek
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<MrZYX> also has a #pos so you can check if bytes > size-pos and fetch a new chunk
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<catphish> also, it seems you can't "def initialize" without specifying parameters
<catphish> i thought you could and they'd be passed to super
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<catphish> but you can: def initialize(*p); super(*p);end
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<Spooner> catphish, That only happens when you specifically use super, not super()
<lxsameer> https://github.com/plataformatec/devise/blob/master/app/controllers/devise/registrations_controller.rb#L12 why does some where referred to "resource" with "self" and some where without? whats the difference
<catphish> Spooner: odd, that seems like the opposite of what i'd expect
<catphish> i'd expect super() to be an explicit "no parameters here"
<catphish> and "super" to pass them through
<Spooner> super() or super(...) give explicit parameters. super uses the same params as passed in.
<MrZYX> I'd expect them to behave the same, as everywhere else in ruby
<Spooner> It is a horrid special case ;)
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<Spooner> lxsameer, You need to use self explicitly when you are using a setter, since it would normally be interpreted as setting a local variable instead.
<Spooner> self.resource = (call #resource=) resource = (set a local var)
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<lxsameer> Spooner: what about getter ?
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<Spooner> In all other situations, however, Ruby can work out the 'self' implicitly. In getters, you are fine.
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<lxsameer> Spooner: take a look at line 12
<Spooner> What about line 12?
<lxsameer> Spooner: the is no self. and i get an error, when i add the self problem solved, any idea ?
<Spooner> You mean def self.create ?
<Spooner> (incidentally, the self in line 8 is not needed).
<lxsameer> Spooner: no "if self.resource.save"
<Spooner> That is line 15 in the file you linked.
<lxsameer> Spooner: :P sorry
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<Spooner> I can't see a reason for it not to work. What is the error if you don't use the explicit self there?
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<lxsameer> Spooner: "undefined method `save' for true:TrueClass"
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<facetoe> Is it possible to download a gem to your programs folder and require it directly?
<Spooner> Oh right. Still makes no sense though!
<lxsameer> Spooner: hmm, that's odd
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<MrZYX> lxsameer: you're editing that file? or did you copy paste the controller into your app and modify it?
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<lxsameer> MrZYX: i create a subclass and override the create method
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<MrZYX> post the whole class into gist
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<lxsameer> MrZYX: sure
* Spooner nods.
<lxsameer> MrZYX: http://dpaste.com/1199890/
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<MrZYX> looks like the super call in build_resource goes wrong, hmm
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<lxsameer> MrZYX: how
<catphish> when i create an instance of my BufferedUNIXSocket, calls to read(n) don't actually seem to go to my new method :(
<MrZYX> I dunno, it makes no sense that it works with self.
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<lxsameer> thanks guys
* Spooner looks blank too.
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<Spooner> You could maybe ask in #rubyonrails - they know more about Rails magic ;)
<lxsameer> ;)
<catphish> oh, my method is working, you just can't call puts in an IO, duh
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<MrZYX> catphish: Kernel.puts
<MrZYX> or $stdio.puts
<catphish> MrZYX: i prefer STD[IO|ERR].puts
<catphish> but yeah
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<spider-mario> $stdout and $stderr can be locally overriden, which may be useful sometimes
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<catphish> that's a horrible thing to do IMO
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<catphish> normally much better to reopen them
<catphish> but certainly possible
<MrZYX> I do see STDIO/ERR as backups of $stdio/err too, yeah
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<tomkad> I am getting 'failed to allocate memory (NoMemoryError)' when looping through large number. Can anyone help?
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<ericwood> no
<ericwood> more information is required
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<tomkad> sure, I'm trying to calculate fibonacci for the first 4 million numbers
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<ericwood> you need to give us the code
<tomkad> ok
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<tomkad> Here is the code for the fibonacci function: http://codepad.org/I0oJP0js
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<tomkad> The error is for line 15
<tomkad> *line 5
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<devnull_> hi I am sorry...what is the easier way to encode something like @input.body or force encode it I mean to UTF-8 ? thanks !
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<spcshpopr8r> hallo #ruby
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<spcshpopr8r> please help: http://pastie.org/7962807
<spcshpopr8r> seems there should be a method like Array.delete_if that returns the deleted element
<spcshpopr8r> rather than the array less the deleted element
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<spcshpopr8r> I guess, what's the idiomatic way to remove an element from an array?
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<atmosx> sounds a bit crazy to me
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<ihme-TTilus> tomkad: your problem is that you exhaust your memory
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<TTilus> tomkad: write numbers to file as you go (if you need them all)
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<TTilus> tomkad: if you need only the final value, don't push to array, but just keep the two latest numbers
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<TTilus> tomkad: this way for example http://codepad.org/E4TKWXqj
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<TTilus> tomkad: that might shed some light on the issue of exhausting your memory by "just calculating fibonacci for the first 4 million numbers" ;)
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<TTilus> tomkad: the numbers grow pretty quickly
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<darthdeus> anyone else experiencing bundler being really slow? i have a gemfile with 2 gems and it takes literally 5-10 minutes to just bundle install ... :\
<darthdeus> i've tried reinstalling bundler and also 2.0.0-p195, but still slow
<darthdeus> on 1.3.5
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<apeiros> darthdeus: try giving a version requirement
<apeiros> the narrower, the better
<darthdeus> apeiros: that's not the problem, it used to be fast about 2 weeks ago ... but since then everything is ridiculously slow
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<havenwood> darthdeus: You could ask on #bundler. Maybe check bundler issues. Haven't heard of slow bundler probs.
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<havenwood> darthdeus: Tried a `bundle --verbose`?
<workmad3> darthdeus: I assume you have a Gemfile.lock? so it's definitely not bundler resolution issues?
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<darthdeus> workmad3: yeah, it's not happening on just one app, but everywhere
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<darthdeus> havenwood: will try, thanks
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<workmad3> darthdeus: has anything networky changed? like a proxy that's starting going slow?
<workmad3> s/starting/started
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<darthdeus> workmad3: nope, i've even tried two different internet connections, it's been slow in all circumstances
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<workmad3> darthdeus: I'd follow havenwood's advice of asking in #bundler then, armed with the output of a 'bundle install --verbose'
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<workmad3> darthdeus: namely that output with a line highlighted so you can say 'it takes ages here ---->'
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<ryan_turner> Hi, has anyone here used ruby-serialport? I'm successfully writing to the SerialPort but it's not successfully reading any of hte reponses.
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<ryan_turner> Basically, I'm supposed to be able to write "FA;\r\n" and receive a response from it like "FA00014195000;"
<ryan_turner> I know it's receiving the commands I send it, as some commands dont have answers but instead just take actions, and they are responding properly.
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<ryan_turner> Is what I'm trying to do more complicated than just writing the command and then trying to read immediately afterwards to see the answer?
<apeiros> ryan_turner: I don't know ruby-serialport, but I'd try to keep reading non-blocking
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<apeiros> maybe you read before the response is available?
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<ryan_turner> It's hanging on read
<ryan_turner> I end up killing the process because it never finishes
<apeiros> how do you read?
<apeiros> do you just io.read ?
<ryan_turner> yes
<apeiros> weeeeell
<apeiros> io.read reads until eof
<ryan_turner> (this is my first time in Ruby)
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<apeiros> you need to either read a specific amount of bytes (io.read(n)), or to a specific terminator (io.gets(";"))
<ryan_turner> Ah, nice!
<ryan_turner> ; is a terminator.
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<apeiros> I'd assume that your IO is not line-buffered, otherwise gets(";") might hang too
<ryan_turner> There are only a few odd commands that are line buffered
<ryan_turner> Yay!
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<ryan_turner> The gets worked.
<ryan_turner> Thank you so much!
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<ryan_turner> Im writing an OS GTK app for remote control of a Kenwood HF radio transceiver
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<greengriminal> going through codeacademy and am stumped with doing this part of the exercise - http://i.imgur.com/boT8L1x.png someone point me in the right direction
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<waxjar> you're printing the String "$ " instead of the word (which you can get at trough x)
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<greengriminal> waxjar: so i should be doing print x
<waxjar> i think so.
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<greengriminal> thnx
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<atmosx> anyone messed up with drb-ssl ?
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<jez> are gem install issues on topic? having some issues http://pastebin.com/whxN1nsh
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<atmosx> jez: run a find to rackup
<atmosx> give me full path
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<jez> atmosx: /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin
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<atmosx> jez: ah no idea, thought you messed up the paths but they are correct or seem t be
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<atmosx> maybe using a Gemfile with your gems would help
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<jez> atmosx: it's something to do with my PATh and GEM_HOME but can't get it
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<atmosx> jez: yes… well when using system-wide ruby these sort of issues come up all the time
<atmosx> that's why people use rbenv/rvm/etc
<MJ94> hello :)
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<ryan_turner> Hi, so Im trying to use Glade and gtkbuilder to make an interface. I put a hslider on the interface and it's displaying fine, but without adding any handlers, it wont let me drag the slider at all. Is it because I need to define a range? How do I do that?
<MJ94> oh hey andrew12
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<ryan_turner> whenever I click on the slider, adjust-bounds is called. But the actual slider cannot move, and I dont understand how to pass an object to my handler so as to get or set any information about the widget.
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<atmosx> pitty that there's no gnutls gem for ruby.
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<MJ94> Is Ruby recommended as a first programming language?
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<sam113101> MJ94: yes
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<MJ94> Ruby seems similar to Python. Maybe not in its syntax, but in its uses, is this true?
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<ryan_turner> MJ94, can you help with my question?
<sam113101> they're both interpreted languages
<MJ94> ryan_turner: probably not, i'm a new programmer.
<MJ94> sorry
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<MJ94> sam113101: ah…why do they exist? what about them differ?
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<ryan_turner> Ok
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<sam113101> MJ94: what do you mean?
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<MJ94> sam113101: how are ruby and python different? are they often used for the same things?
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<Spooner> They are very similar (in complexity and performance). They just follow different idioms, so choose the one you like more. And choose Python if you like writing "self" about a billion times ;)
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<MJ94> Spooner: thanks
<MJ94> :)
<MJ94> ruby looks easier, to be honest
<andrew12> it is easier MJ94
<andrew12> it's easier for everything
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<andrew12> trust me
<MJ94> andrew12: All the "smart" programmers I know are all: Start with ASM and C++++++++ if you REALLY want to learn programming.
<andrew12> I code in binary using the emacs butterfly command
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<andrew12> MJ94: if you wanna read a book, and like laughing, I like this one: http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/
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<mjburgess> does that print book actually exist?
<andrew12> you could print it yourself
<andrew12> _why is gone though
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<Xeago> andrew12: is he?
<Xeago> _why is not around as _why
<Xeago> but he might be around
<Xeago> his sprint spooler is rather active
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<epitron> Xeago: he's still printing things?
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<epitron> i thought he did one big batch, then left
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<Xeago> epitron: last spool update was several weeks ago
<Xeago> there is a repository on github
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<epitron> Xeago: yeah, that was his "last farewell" print spool
<Xeago> I didn't interpret it as such
<epitron> he's not back, he, in his own words, was stepping into the tattered rags of his character for one last time before returning the persona to the community
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<epitron> you don't have to interpret -- he spells it out in the document :)
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<Xeago> I read it differently then :)
<epitron> misread it, is more like it!
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<callmeivan> is there a ruby gem which can download a file but can use multiple connections and specify start and end of the file to be downloaded?
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<RiftyMcF3arless> hey, everybody, lookin for a little guidance here... need to select a random record from a MySQL DB (i'm using Sequel). I'm aware of ways to do this, but with my datasets, they are insanely slow... does anybody have a good method for this, or know of any cool tips/tricks?
<callmeivan> so for example at first it downloads a 100MB file and uses 10 connections, afterwards run a check to see if the file size has increased and if it has download the new data again over 10 connections
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<r0bgleeson> callmeivan: downloads from where?
<callmeivan> http
<r0bgleeson> callmeivan: is the server going to send the file in chunks?
<r0bgleeson> callmeivan: how else can the client do this without an agreed protocol from the other end?
<maodun> I'm popening a process that prompts for input. When I read anything from that process, even just 1 byte via p.read(1), the command line shows me the process' prompt and hangs in a read until I input some text. Why is this?
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<maodun> Why am I able to see anything in the command line at all when I call p.read(1)?
<r0bgleeson> maodun: because read() blocks until the FD is readable
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<callmeivan> r0bgleeson: the client just opens multiple connections and i assume it can specify start and end (like other download accel. do it)
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<epitron> callmeivan: ruby HTTP libraries kinda suck, for the most part.. i had trouble finding a way to easily read the first few bytes of a file over HTTP :)
<r0bgleeson> callmeivan: can it? I don't know, I may not understand what you're suggesting, but to download in chunks you couldn't just re-open the same connection each time, it wouldn't work
<epitron> (without downloading the whole thing to a buffer)
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<maodun> r0bgleeson, I understand that, but read(1) shouldn't block
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<r0bgleeson> maodun: why not? is there a byte to read?
<waxjar> there's a read_nonblock
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<r0bgleeson> there's also IO.select
<maodun> r0bgleeson: well, there should be, but the bytes that should be available to read our being displayed in my terminal instead
<epitron> maodun: popen is buffered... you need to use a pty if you want to read bytes as they come in
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<epitron> or you have to wait for the popen'd process to output > 4096 bytes of data
<r0bgleeson> maodun: can you post some code?
<atmosx> anyone familiar with DRb and SSL?
<epitron> ssh tunnel? :)
<callmeivan> r0bgleeson: since other download managers can do it (without special protocols) i would assume that it is possible
<callmeivan> but i am afraid epitron is correct :(
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<apeiros_> r0bgleeson, callmeivan: you can do by using range headers
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<callmeivan> apeiros_: thanks
<apeiros_> requires that the server supports it, though.
<r0bgleeson> yeah, i knew it couldn't be done on the client alone
<apeiros_> you can potentially make things easier by doing a head request first to get the filesize. that or just to something like 1MB ranges for each process.
<callmeivan> well in that case it is my own server but i have luck with download managers on most sites
<apeiros_> anyway, I don't see how that'd be faster than a single process
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<apeiros_> with a single download
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<r0bgleeson> apeiros_: if you got the filesize, how can you "seek" without downloading the same data?
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<maodun> 'checkpoint a' is outputted, and then the terminal displays 'Enter Password' as soon as I call stdout.read(1). Then it hangs on the read
<r0bgleeson> maodun: sure, ill look in just a sec
<apeiros_> r0bgleeson: as said, using the range headers
<apeiros_> *header
<maodun> 'checkpoint b' is never outputted unless I enter something manually via the terminal
<r0bgleeson> apeiros_: oh ok, i thought you were suggesting without the server for a second
<apeiros_> no, getting the filesize just makes it easier to slice the request up
<callmeivan> apeiros_: i get slow speeds over just 1 connection but can get 10 times * (slow speed)
<apeiros_> without the filesize you're left to some standard slicing which is possibly less efficient.
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<r0bgleeson> gotcha
<r0bgleeson> thats cool to know
<apeiros_> callmeivan: you have a weird server
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<r0bgleeson> maodun: looking now
<callmeivan> digital ocean
<Xeago> might also be his isp limiting connections
<callmeivan> to europe
<workmad3> apeiros_: is having per-connection bandwidth limits that odd? :)
<Xeago> or any intermediate box
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<Xeago> workmad3: yes
<apeiros_> workmad3: since it leads to this kind of stupidities, yes
<callmeivan> no i don't think so, my provider is known not to throttle anything :)
<workmad3> Xeago: yeah, I was being a bit facetios :P
<Xeago> unless you have sites that pay per ad view
<workmad3> *facetious
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<apeiros_> iff, then you should limit bandwith per remote ip
<r0bgleeson> maodun: what is 'enter_demand' for?
<apeiros_> and even then, that only makes sense in a small set of use cases. in most scenarios you want the connection closed asap.
<maodun> r0bgleeson: sorry, that's unnecessary. that's actually what the process being called prompts for. I initially was calling stdout.read(enter_demand.length)
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<RiftyMcF3arless> essentially, what my problem is, is that i want to be able to run several instances of this application im writing. the app pulls the latest 'jobs' from the DB, and immediately changes a flag in the DB (so that row will no longer be selected). unfortunately, when you fire them up too closely, it selects duplicate records.
<RiftyMcF3arless> how might i prevent this?
<apeiros_> RiftyMcF3arless: you want to select and set the flag in a transaction
<r0bgleeson> maodun: ah i see. makes sense. does the read eventually stop blocking and return a str?
<apeiros_> though
<RiftyMcF3arless> apeiros_: pretty sure im going for something like that...
<Xeago> RiftyMcF3arless: if you are starting something new
<Xeago> have a look at resque
<RiftyMcF3arless> :(
<apeiros_> sidekiq
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<MrZYX> ^
<Xeago> or delayed_job
<maodun> r0bgleeson: no, but I know it's stuck on read because I see the traceback when I ctrl+c out
<RiftyMcF3arless> unfortuneately, Xeago, i need to stick with my current code (which is good code, anyhow)
<RiftyMcF3arless> DJ/Resque won't work well for this
<maodun> r0bgleeson: well, yes, it does actually, if I input something into the terminal and press enter
<RiftyMcF3arless> the process is not designed to be run in distinct separate jobs in that sense. it HAS to be one main program, a processor really
<RiftyMcF3arless> this processor pulls 1 "unprocessed" job at a time
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<MrZYX> sidekiq uses threads
<r0bgleeson> maodun: are you sure it doesn't write to stderr?
<MrZYX> so you could share state
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<RiftyMcF3arless> MrZYX: that might be interesting to look into for personal interest, but this is for a client,and i am finally to the point that this is working well -- im just getting past these last hurdles.
<RiftyMcF3arless> i will look into that for future reference, though
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<RiftyMcF3arless> essentially it's that i have to use ONE instance of a Watir-drivenbrowser
<maodun> r0bgleeson: I believe it doesn't - I've tried swapping out stdout with stderr in the code I gave you and I get the same effect
<RiftyMcF3arless> so jobs dont work, because you'd have 500 firefoxes running rampant on your CPU/mem
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<maodun> r0bgleeson: actually, if I don't call read anywhere at all, I still get prompted, but after it outputs 'checkpoint b'
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<r0bgleeson> maodun: you shouldn't see any output from the script though, did you try writing the password to stdin & then reading?
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<maodun> r0bgleeson: I did, and added a 3rd checkpoint to verify. it writes and then still hangs on the read
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<maodun> it writes, then outputs the prompt and hangs on the read, more specifically
<r0bgleeson> maodun: i donno. can you share the script so I can play around with it?
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<maodun> but even with no writes and no reads, it will output the prompt and hang on the read
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<r0bgleeson> output the prompt where?
<r0bgleeson> from the read?
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<r0bgleeson> you shouldnt see any output from popen3.
<maodun> so, I'm running this ruby code from the command line: ruby myfile.rb
<r0bgleeson> unless you read stdout/stderr to a string
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<maodun> the prompt is getting outputted into the terminal after I run the ruby script
<maodun> and the ruby script hangs on the prompt
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<maodun> the prompt is being generated by the shell script I call via popen3 in my ruby script
<r0bgleeson> yeah but popen3 should capture it
<maodun> I can try to work down a barebones script to give you, one minute
<r0bgleeson> you shouldnt see any output from the script
<maodun> r0bgleeson: that was my belief as well
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<maodun> r0bgleeson: hmm, I found direct ruby bindings for the library I was trying to call from the command line. I'm going to rewrite my code to use the bindings instead of mucking around with popen. thank you for your help.
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<r0bgleeson> maodun: sure. no problem.
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<SonikBoom> Is there any way to manually install a ruby gem into a closed ruby environment (that came with a SASS compiler app)
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<mzarella> i'm needing some help finding a library: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/881d723e669bc33f2e10
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<boxmein> hum
<boxmein> does bundle search $PATH
<boxmein> then
<boxmein> I mean irb
<boxmein> also what if you had the .so's in current directory
<boxmein> that's super general advice but that's all I can offer sadly :(
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