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<h0rrorvacui> doesn't meshnet do something similar to MARS
<ddd> i think so
<benzrf> ddd: another amazingly cool feature of Io is that it has futures that /turn into the result/
<ddd> project meshnet right?
<benzrf> kind of like perfect proxies
<ddd> has futures?
<benzrf> futures?
<benzrf> maybe promises?
<benzrf> idk the proper terminology ;p
<KK4MGV> the mars i linked to is the simulator for an awesome game where two people write assembly programs that get loaded into the simulator vm at random offsets in the same address space and try to get the other program to execute an illegal instruction
<ddd> example?
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<benzrf> like an object that represents an async computation
<benzrf> i.e.
<ddd> KK4MGV: lol yeah totally different MARS
<benzrf> foo = background_http("google.com")
<benzrf> foo.done? => false
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<benzrf> foo.wait => blocks until done
<KK4MGV> still interesting too though
<benzrf> foo.get => html content
<benzrf> now imagine if foo actually /changed its value to the html content/ when it was finished!
<ddd> thats a hell of a lot more simplistic than doing it in ruby!
<ddd> yeah
<benzrf> oh that was an imaginary example of how you might do it in ruby
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<ddd> i was thinking you were referencing a prebuilt method that did async http work
<benzrf> ah
<ddd> and simply by making foo an object of that type you got all the trimmings
<ddd> thus the 'turning into the result'
<ddd> ok gotta feed these dogs before they drive me nuts. bbiab
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<KK4MGV> aww crap, doing a gem update broke my rake
<h0rrorvacui> doesn't dart have futures?
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<KK4MGV> was any backwards compatibility dropped in 1.8 -> 2.0?
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<canton7> KK4MGV, do a 'gem update' as well as a 'gem update --system'
<KK4MGV> rephrased: can i just scrap my system's obsolete ruby install and replace it with 2.0 and expect all the things written for 1.8 to still work
<canton7> KK4MGV, a couple of minor things
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<h0rrorvacui> KK4MGV why don't you get a ruby version manager and try it out
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<KK4MGV> oh, good idea. i wasn't aware that existed
<h0rrorvacui> if it doesn't work just use the rvm, rbenv, or chruby to change to a prior version on your system
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<h0rrorvacui> ddd knows a lot about rvm
<h0rrorvacui> :P
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<h0rrorvacui> I prefer chruby myself. They all have their uses.
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<KK4MGV> i feel like http://xkcd.com/353/, except s/python/ruby/g
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<benzrf> KK4MGV: ruby-five
<KK4MGV> \o
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<benzrf> o/
<KK4MGV> <3
<benzrf> :D
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<h0rrorvacui> or high five ruby style?
<ddd> h0rrorvacui: i'm on the rvm project. probably why i do ;)
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<benzrf> h0rrorvacui: the latte
<benzrf> r
<h0rrorvacui> ddd yeah seems like KK4MGV's problem is a good fit for rvm and gemsets
<h0rrorvacui> though bundler + chruby might be sufficient as well
<KK4MGV> did 1.8 -> 1.9 break backwards compatibility?
<KK4MGV> cause i'd gladly scrap outdated stuff
<ddd> think all of 1.8 is EOLd now.
<KK4MGV> so is my OS :)
<ddd> is 1.8 even getting security updates anymore?
<h0rrorvacui> It has a lot of differences that I'd be surprised if it didn't
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<ddd> XP? ;)
<KK4MGV> no, osx 10.6
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<KK4MGV> we're 10.9 now
<h0rrorvacui> so I'd say yeah its not backwards compatible
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<ddd> hmm, thought it was only 10.5 that was EOLd didn't know they'd done .6 too
<KK4MGV> i keep up with the CVEs and stuff and patch stuff myself
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<KK4MGV> half my /usr has been replaced by now
<ddd> yea was my lack of info. thought .6 didn't eol til july
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<h0rrorvacui> In my experience it just depends how lucky you are if its backwards compatible
<ddd> only reason i'm not on a MBP anymore is my wife's pugs frying mine by pissing on it.
<KK4MGV> :D
<ddd> friend of mine was awesome and gave me a Thinkpad X131e to work on so I at least have something
<KK4MGV> nice
<ddd> ~$4000 down the tubes. will cost about $1250 to fix (USD)
<KK4MGV> my next laptop will probably be a thinkpad, they last forever and have decent driver support for *nix
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<ddd> yeah even the camera is supported out the box on most distros
<ddd> thats usually by the wayside.
<RubyPanther> That was true even with my first thinkpad in 1999
<h0rrorvacui> Have you seen the new mac pro?
<ddd> they use the bcm driver for the wifi but i can deal with that
<ddd> h0rrorvacui: yeah, but the memory is hardwired, non upgradable and i don't like that
<ddd> wife was going to get me a new model, but i told her i want my other one repaired. early 2011 model
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<ddd> had all the trimmings. didn't have the retina display though. just the hi res anti glare. retina came out about 6 months(?) later
<KK4MGV> woah now, you're using an obsolete currency. surely you mean ฿1.729 (BTC)
<Nilium> Last I checked, the memory in the Mac Pro was upgradeable.
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<KK4MGV> :P
<h0rrorvacui> it is...
<ddd> Nilium: not on the newest models supposedly.
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<h0rrorvacui> stupid apple and its naming, I think he ment macbook pro
<ddd> yeah
<ddd> MBP Macbook Pro
<Nilium> ddd: Maybe you were thinking of the Macbook Pro?
<Nilium> Well, retina MBP.
<ddd> thats what i said
<h0rrorvacui> I'm talking about this https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/
<ddd> Oh the mac pro desktop
<ddd> no i meant the MBP
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<ddd> macBOOK pro
<KK4MGV> lol, is the new mac pro smaller than the mac mini?
<Nilium> I have a retina MBP with 16gb of RAM. I don't foresee wanting more memory for the duration of its life.
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<h0rrorvacui> No but it looks like a turbine
<KK4MGV> hehe
<h0rrorvacui> so it trumps everything
<ddd> yeah I had 16GB in mine too
<h0rrorvacui> :P
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<ddd> funny thing is, this Thinkpad X131e can support up to 32GB of RAM, but it only has a 1.2GHz CPU lol
<ddd> amd e-300
<h0rrorvacui> I wonder how much a maxed out mac pro would cost?
<KK4MGV> ooh! a non-intel machine!
<KK4MGV> h0rrorvacui: idk, let's find out...
<Nilium> Which isn't to say I wouldn't like more memory, I haven't actually had to make much use of page files, so it's questionable if it would serve any purpose
<ddd> h0rrorvacui: in 2011 when I got mine, it cost me roughly $4000 with the applecare
<ddd> so about 3700 wo AC
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<h0rrorvacui> 12 cores with 64 gb of memory
<ddd> mmmm
<h0rrorvacui> lol thats got to be awesome
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<ddd> i'd love a laptop with 12 cores and 64GB RAM :)
<h0rrorvacui> I'm still going on about the desktop
<ddd> hahah, i don't do desktops anymore
<h0rrorvacui> Well you're missing out
<KK4MGV> woah, wtf! they make you pay $3000 more for the 12 core xeon?
<ddd> i've my xbox360 when I want to play games. I do college and business on the laptop
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<ddd> h0rrorvacui: naa for my own particular needs a desktp isn't needed
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<KK4MGV> woah, they make 1tb SSDs now!?
<ddd> yeah
<ddd> they hve for some time now
<KK4MGV> TIL /me lives under a rock
<ddd> hehe
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<Stevo123> price is still high
<h0rrorvacui> where are you seeing the price on the 12 cores?
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<h0rrorvacui> I only see the 6 core one
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<Stevo123> but its disruptive innovatiion
<ddd> that was what I wanted to do with my MBP. I wanted to remove the superdrive, get one of the internal trays and keep the 500GB HDD for storage, and get a 1TB SSD for the system
<h0rrorvacui> ahh I see you clicked on one and upgraded
<KK4MGV> yep
<KK4MGV> so fully maxed out, without a display, keyboard, mouse, software, etc., is just shy of 10k
<KK4MGV> rediculous
<h0rrorvacui> so 10k
<h0rrorvacui> I want it
<h0rrorvacui> :P
<KK4MGV> i don't!
<h0rrorvacui> I'ma write santa
<KK4MGV> for that money i could build something way better
<h0rrorvacui> Yeah
<KK4MGV> *way* better
<h0rrorvacui> Time to go on a 10k shopping spree on newegg/tigerdirect/amazon
<KK4MGV> hehe
<h0rrorvacui> see whats I can do
<KK4MGV> people still use tigerdirect?
<ddd> oh yeah
<h0rrorvacui> I do :(
<ddd> but *I* use newegg more
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<h0rrorvacui> I use newegg because of the bundle deals
<h0rrorvacui> but sometimes tiger is cheaper on a select item
<ddd> i'm just old and set in my ways hehe
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<Stevo123> anyone do any sort of time tracking on projects with GitHUb?
<Stevo123> like track your time in issues or commits?
<ddd> nope. i use freshbooks for that
<KK4MGV> h0rrorvacui: <buys graphics card for $100 -- comes with $240 worth of games -- sells games -- buys rest of computer> ?
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<ddd> pivotal tracker for stories, freshbooks for time tracking and invoicing, github for repos
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<KK4MGV> Stevo123: i hacked up a horrible system using taskwarrior, but i wouldn't recommend it
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<Stevo123> But i am looking for some use cases of how other people use GitHub for Time Trackiing
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<ddd> woohoo! someone forgot to hide the peanuts on me! (still in their shells) I can haz peanuts!
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<Stevo123> or at least project management
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<h0rrorvacui> KK4MGV yeah something like that
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<KK4MGV> Stevo123: nifty graphviz flowcharts :)
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<Stevo123> omnigraffle
<KK4MGV> hmm
<Stevo123> manual
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<Stevo123> not all of it is built yet or in the format that it will be in at the end of dev
<KK4MGV> what's that graphical tool you're using to inspect commits?
<Stevo123> what do you mean?
<Stevo123> you mean the data in mongo?
<KK4MGV> oh
<Stevo123> Robomongo
<KK4MGV> is that mongo? okay, nvm
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<KK4MGV> i thought it was some git inspector thing
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<KK4MGV> my next question was how you were attaching other fields to commits, but yeah, that makes more sense
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<Stevo123> does not just have to be a commit
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<Stevo123> works with Issues Comments and Tasks in Comments
<Stevo123> and Milestones
<Stevo123> milestone is just for budgets
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<Stevo123> Know of any Repos that currently do time tracking in some way?
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* KK4MGV does not
<Stevo123> If you come across any please send them my way
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<Stevo123> I think it fills a large niche but would love to see some people currently doing time tracking in some way
<goleldar> Anyone know how to write an rspec to test whether a controller is forcing ssl?
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<KK4MGV> all the freelance devs i know use their own servers (because they don't trust github to keep things secure/private/etc.)
<Stevo123> fair enough
<h0rrorvacui> bitbucket has free private
<Stevo123> if you need private and you can't afford $7 a month it probably does not need to be private
<h0rrorvacui> I can think of a lot of things that are better in a private repo
<Stevo123> (but thats just my two cents)
<h0rrorvacui> Some of my dotfiles have sensitive things in them
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<h0rrorvacui> There are a lot of things you can use a private repo for free for.
<Stevo123> :) the stuff I was talking about it targeted towards the people that use the Issue Tracker
<KK4MGV> they already have their own infrastructure, and want to keep everything under their exclusive control, so they see no reason to want to use github
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<Stevo123> Commits is just a side feature. But typically would be better to have time committed to a issue rather than individual commits
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<KK4MGV> true, especially if you want to mark incremental working periods on the same thing and aren't a fan of incomplete-commits
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<KK4MGV> (for people who squash commits before committing to master)
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<KK4MGV> and don't want the trouble of rewriting public history
<Stevo123> correct. None of that should ever happen
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<h0rrorvacui> I'm a bit ignorant of time tracking in the corporate setting but I'd find it a bit invasive and don't see the point.
<h0rrorvacui> Is it not results that matter?
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<Stevo123> I come from the same type of enviroment
<Stevo123> BUT
<KK4MGV> h0rrorvacui: while i agree, many (imo suboptimal) employers do not
<h0rrorvacui> I remember management classes that had some similar suggestions
<Stevo123> you got to look at the different types of companies and structures
<Stevo123> Cost Recovery
<Stevo123> Departments wanting to know what is taking up the resources
<Stevo123> PMs that want to improve performance
<h0rrorvacui> I see good point.
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<Stevo123> Managing multiple teams with a specific budget
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<Stevo123> Dev shops that sell their time
<h0rrorvacui> Just can't trust them to not meddle with personal work habits.
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<Stevo123> The idea is to not break the habit of working with Git or GitHub but rather augment with a little syntax
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<KK4MGV> Stevo123: have you looked at supporting gitlab too? i have the impression that it's rather common in the corporate setting, and that the type of company who would want to run an internal github-like service would also be the ones tracking hours
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<KK4MGV> government contractors come to mind
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<KK4MGV> and it's already built on rails, so (i'd imagine, however i really have no clue) that integration wouldn't be too painful
<Stevo123> The code can technically support any service
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<Stevo123> The biggest challenge has always been the Syntax / Standards to Time track
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<Stevo123> I think i have come up with a pretty good balance
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<Stevo123> so for something like GitLab would not be a problem but there are some man hours involved to get it working as the all of the Fields need to be remapped
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<Stevo123> But the principal is base is all there
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<Stevo123> But the base is all there
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<benzrf> haha i just implemented haskell-style pattern-matching recursive map using my pattern matching thingy
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<benzrf> it's completely pointless and barely usable but SHIT YEAH I FEEL LIKE A METAPROGRAMMING GOD
<benzrf> owo
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<benzrf> thats probably also because of using Io
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<pawprint> hey, would anyone here happen to be attending the SF rubywhitebelts meetup today?
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<kookari> Hey there
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<kookari> quick rack question; what is being called to the method `each`
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<kookari> when the last argument of the [status, header, response] is being processed
<kookari> in particular i'm referring to http://railscasts.com/episodes/151-rack-middleware
<kookari> and the curious definition of the each block there
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<kookari> any help would be very much appreciated!!!!!
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<pipecloud> kookari: That's really old.
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<benzrf> hello cj__
<benzrf> hows it goin
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<rien> folks, how do you deal with the untestability of classes with many tiny functions that don't receive parameters (they operate on ivars)?
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<benzrf> rien: why not instantiate them
<rien> because they needs way too much stuff to be instantiated that aren't needed by the particular method I'm troubleshooting (this is a troubleshooting issue, I just used testing in the example above to illustrate the problem)
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<benzrf> rien: this is why state is bad
<benzrf> :-
<benzrf> D
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<rien> benzrf: you don
<rien> benzrf: you don't need to convince me, but what literature do I point to for a coworker that can't see that his methods with no parameters are really bad?
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<rien> usual literature is too generic and doesn't address the specific disadvantage that using ivars and no parameters in akin to programming with global vars in smaller environments
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<bnagy> it is nothing like that
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<benzrf> bnagy: lies
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<bnagy> using ivars is idiomatic ruby, if your testing approach makes that awkward then your testing approach is what's broken
<benzrf> OVERUSING them though
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<bnagy> if it's useful object state then it should be in an ivar
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<rien> I really dislike this "oh this is idiomatic here" line of thinking. I'm not travelling to a country and mingling with the natives. I'm trying to right robust code that is readable and changeable.
<bnagy> I mean, yes, assigning an ivar that will only be used once as an endrun around having a method with params is stupid
<benzrf> well, ivars are really just global state but isolated to a section of the program
<rien> "this is idiomatic" is not different from "this is our culture/dogma/way we do thing so shut up"
<bnagy> but so are lots of things
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<jacobsmith> anyone here able to offer some ActiveRecord advice? #rails is a bit dead at the moment (:
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<bnagy> rien: in OO, objects have state. That's what ivars are.
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<bnagy> saying it's "really bad" and "like using globals" is just completely counter OO
<bnagy> so yes, OO is "how we do things here"
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<benzrf> the thing is that global state can be useful if you can properly control it
<benzrf> and objects are a really good way to do that
<rien> so I should accept a paradigm that encourages state just because the language I use at work is more geared towards OO?
<bnagy> in what way is object state global state?
<benzrf> ok global is probably the wrong term
<benzrf> nvm, forget i said anything
<benzrf> rien: OOP is _all about_ state...
<bnagy> like I don't go into #haskell and tell them they're insane for hating state, every language has an idiomatic approach
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<bnagy> yes, you can definitely have too much of it, even in a pathologically OO lan like ruby
<bnagy> but you know, when in rome
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<bnagy> tbh you could make a solid argument that if your class _doesn't_ have any ivars then it shouldn't be a class
<benzrf> well that is my normal way of thinking about things
<benzrf> i thought that was taken for granted...
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<bnagy> because you know, make it a module
<benzrf> a method is only a method if it refers to the object it is Inoperable
<benzrf> *in
<benzrf> otherwise there is no point to it being inside an object
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<benzrf> and you are just adding needless complication
<benzrf> otoh given ruby's terrible namespacing issues, maybe stateless objects are a good way of namespacing
<bnagy> "terrible"
<rien> benzrf: I try to make all my classes start like this: class Blah ; class << self ;)
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<benzrf> ew
<benzrf> seriously ewww
<benzrf> somebody should make a tool that profiles the classes instantiated in a ruby program and recommends which classes should be turned into modules
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<rien> I understand your reaction, but let me say that I'm just using ruby at work because people before me chose to.
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<rien> I'd never use a language without typechecking for serious development
<benzrf> oh no I enjoy ruby
<benzrf> i just dislike using classes as method containers
<benzrf> when modules are EXPLICITLY FOR THA
<benzrf> t
<rien> oh no I enjoy it too, it's so comfortable to code in. I just dislike what OO begets (...eventually, ivars being abused as if they were global variables)
<benzrf> 'comfortable to code in'
<rien> benzrf: regarding Modules vs class, maybe I should start using modules instead. the point is I just need a namespace and I'm not concerned with other details.
<benzrf> nice
<benzrf> thats basically a perfect summation of what ive found nice about ruby
<benzrf> rien:
<benzrf> >> Class.superclass
<eval-in> benzrf => Module (https://eval.in/82341)
<rien> TIL :)
<benzrf> a module is literally a class in every way except that it cant be instantiated
<benzrf> they are how mixins work
<benzrf> classes cannot multiply inherit, but you can include multiple modules into em
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<bnagy> it's more like the other way around ( a class is a module in every way except )
<benzrf> mm good point
<bnagy> ie a class is a special module
<benzrf> rien: anyway, one approach to namespace management is to store all of your methods in modules
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<benzrf> then you can 'import' them by including/extending
<benzrf> rien: Class#include drops a module's methods into a class, Object#extend drops them into an object's singleton class
<rien> benzrf: you've convinced me, I'll start using modules
<benzrf> o/
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<rien> =)
<benzrf> this is one place where i really really like python
<benzrf> benzrfs_python_import_system_rants += 1
<benzrf> => 27
<dangermik> hey. is this the right place to ask for help with a gem issue?
<bnagy> maybe?
<bnagy> it's definitely a good start
<dangermik> I'm on Windows (I know, I know), trying to install the zookeeper gem
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<dangermik> I've got devtools installed
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<dangermik> I've tried 1.9.3, 2.0.0, and 2.0.0 64-bit
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<dangermik> every time it complains that it can't run "./configure
<bnagy> do other cext gems work?
<dangermik> yeah
<dangermik> for example, json works, even with --platform=ruby
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<benzrf> dangermik: <caps><% generate_windows_rant %></caps>
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<dangermik> I know, I know
<dangermik> I forgot the power supply for my mac and I'm using my mother in law's machine
<bnagy> might just not work ever. Depends how it's set up?
<bnagy> is there a jruby version? If so, use that :)
<dseitz> quick, get this man a charger asap :)
<bnagy> windows / devkit is a pain :<
<benzrf> dangermik: why not ssh to your personal dedicated server
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<benzrf> my last laptop's charger totally broke towards the end
<dangermik> my personal, dedicated what now? I have no such animal in my zoo.
<bnagy> I don't have any windows vms with MRI anymore, sry
<dseitz> quick, reboot and bootstrap arch onto the box
<benzrf> the bit where the cable -> laptop exited the brick had its little conical cover slip off
<dangermik> my mother in law is going to LOVE arch :)
<havenwood> dangermik: how about a Vagrant box, i've heard it works with win
<benzrf> then it became frayed
<benzrf> and then i had to electrical tape it together to get current flowing
<benzrf> that was funq
<benzrf> *fun
<dseitz> get her a nice tiling WM hehe
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<havenwood> dangermik: yeah, Vagrant does support Win64
<dangermik> vagrant is an interesting option. I really was hoping to just make the damned thing work. maybe I should just give up on that.
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<dangermik> maybe I should just code to zkruby and duck the issue entirely
<havenwood> dangermik: Grabbing a nice Fedora, Arch or openSUSE box sounds pretty lovely to me compared to dealing with Win gem support: http://www.vagrantbox.es/
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<havenwood> dangermik: or like bnagy suggested you could JRuby on Win
<havenwood> dangermik: i'd say get a linux/bsd box and don't look back :P
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<havenwood> nice FreeBSD vagrant boxes too
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<bnagy> far as I know you're going to have to get your unix on to play with zk anyway
<dangermik> in this fun process I set up zk on this machine.
<dangermik> it actually will run on Windows, as will zkCli
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<bnagy> anyway, gtg have lunch, family are looking grumpy
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<dangermik> I have servers. I just need the darned client!
<bnagy> apparently there's some thing tomorrow
<dangermik> thanks for your help
<dangermik> hahahah
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<dangermik> I'
<dangermik> I'm going to give jruby about 10 minutes then I'm going to move over to linux
<dangermik> it installed! a miracle
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<dangermik> also, for those who care, you can get it running by installing the java version of the gem:
<dangermik> gem install zookeeper --platform=jruby
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<dangermik> all my problems are solved - I can run under ruby or jruby, through the "zk" library or without it
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<dangermik> good bye and thanks
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<dseitz> awesome good work
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<pontiki> hallo rubyists
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<xar-> anyone have experience with octopress and switching from rdiscount to kramdown coderay? i did a rake generate and am getting an error I don't know how to resolve.
<pontiki> sadly, not me
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<pontiki> i couldn't even say jump in to #octopress as that place is like a wasteland
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<pontiki> i am in there, tho, if you want to chat about it, xar-
<xar-> yea I'm there, it's barren lol
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<xar-> this is what i'm getting: http://dpaste.com/1520821/
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<pontiki> so what is at line 46, column 9 of _config.yml?
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<xar-> use_coderay:true
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<xar-> hmm i think this environment is sensitive to the lack of whitespace between the directive and the boolean, let me adjust
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<xar-> yup that was it!
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<pontiki> wow
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<pontiki> sure enough
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<pontiki> >> p YAML.load("key:value")
<eval-in> pontiki => uninitialized constant YAML (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/82354)
<pontiki> feh
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<pontiki> >> require 'yaml'; p YAML.load("key:value")
<eval-in> pontiki => (https://eval.in/82355)
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<benzrf> try just the yaml.load
<benzrf> leave off the p
<pontiki> >> require 'yaml'; p YAML.load("key: value")
<eval-in> pontiki => (https://eval.in/82356)
<benzrf> >> 3; 4
<eval-in> benzrf => 4 (https://eval.in/82357)
<pontiki> >> require 'yaml'; YAML.load("key: value")
<eval-in> pontiki => (https://eval.in/82358)
<benzrf> >> require 'yaml'; YAML.load("key: value")
<benzrf> ???lag
<eval-in> benzrf => (https://eval.in/82359)
<benzrf> oh
<benzrf> how strange o-O
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<pontiki> all right, i don't know what's going on with that
<pontiki> >> true
<eval-in> pontiki => true (https://eval.in/82360)
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<pontiki> >> require 'yaml'
<eval-in> pontiki => (https://eval.in/82361)
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<pontiki> it's the require
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<pontiki> $ ruby -e 'require "yaml"; puts YAML.load("key:value"); puts YAML.load("key: value");'
<pontiki> key:value
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<pontiki> anyway
<pontiki> {"key"=>"value"}
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<pontiki> space is required
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<benzrf> pontiki: protop: -ryaml
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<xar-> yea, i've never used ruby, but octopress is alluring
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<benzrf> *protip
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<robertjpayne> Is it bad to use objects as keys in a Hash? I need to sort of use a hash as a map table between two sets of objects (websocket to client)
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<benzrf> robertjpayne: you cant use anything BESIDES objects as keys in a hash
<robertjpayne> benzrf: I know but I wasn't sure if it's bad practice to key stuff by complex objects vs simple strings/symbols
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<benzrf> often, i think
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<pontiki> benzrf: i know it
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<pontiki> i just wanted to replicate what i was trying to do with eval-in
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<benzrf> ah
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<benzrf> hello charliesome
<benzrf> thx for the bot
<charliesome> benzrf: howdy, np
<charliesome> >> "o" + "/"
<eval-in> charliesome => "o/" (https://eval.in/82367)
<charliesome> >> puts "is pretty rad, just fyi. "
<eval-in> charliesome => is pretty rad, just fyi. ... (https://eval.in/82368)
<charliesome> ah damn i hoped that would get rid of the =>
<benzrf> >> "o/".chars.inject {|acc, char| char + acc}
<eval-in> benzrf => "/o" (https://eval.in/82369)
<benzrf> shit
<benzrf> >> "o\".chars.inject {|acc, char| char + acc}
<eval-in> benzrf => /tmp/execpad-9d44372b910c/source-9d44372b910c:6:in `raise': exception object expected (TypeError) ... (https://eval.in/82370)
<benzrf> ff
<benzrf> >> "o\\".chars.inject {|acc, char| char + acc}
<eval-in> benzrf => "\\o" (https://eval.in/82371)
<benzrf> ;_;
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<charliesome> hehe the bot is pretty dumb
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<charliesome> it just wraps code in that template which will show exceptions
<charliesome> so it's not very resilient to syntax errors
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<benzrf> btw i put ruby eval into my bot and I used your template
<benzrf> so thanks for that i guess o:
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<bricker`LA> Is there a better way to get the filename without extension than `File.basename(file, ".*")` ?
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<pontiki> not that i've seen, bricker`LA. what's wrong with doing it that way?
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<bricker`LA> pontiki: nothing, just making sure I'm not missing something obvious
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<mr_snowf1ake> hey guys, would some of you mind doing an experiment for me?
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<mr_snowf1ake> this is a little system i wrote where when you write commit messages in git, it posts to twitter http://git-hook.mrsnowf1ake.com/
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<mr_snowf1ake> I'd like to see how it helps publicity for projects that you guys are working on
<pontiki> c'mon man
<pontiki> dark red on black?
<pontiki> i can't even read that
<mr_snowf1ake> ooh, sorry, i'll fix tht
<mr_snowf1ake> *that
<mr_snowf1ake> what color on black do you think?
<mr_snowf1ake> gray?
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<pontiki> don't use dark red at all as a text colour
<mr_snowf1ake> should be fixed now
<pontiki> just make it mono font, no colours
<Asher> the little block of black is like staring into the light and then trying to read something in the shadows
<mr_snowf1ake> alright, i'll get rid of that
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<mr_snowf1ake> there we go
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<bricker`LA> expected #<File:/var/folders/cm/tjtdp16j2ml_46knxw8n6vw00000gn/T/open-uri20131224-27865-13jot3o> to be a kind of File
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<bricker`LA> :(
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<bricker`LA> :c
<bricker`LA> :C
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<Hanmac1> bricker`LA: show me a gist of your code or it did not happen ;P
<bricker`LA> Hanmac1: It's showing as `#<File: ...` but `file.class` is Tempfile
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<bricker`LA> I thought that would pass, now I see I was wrong.
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<bricker`LA> I should be checking that it's an IO anyways, because it's using open-uri which I think returns different objects depending on the size of the response (StringIO or Tempfile)
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<robertjpayne> Is there something similar to chomp but would apply to beginning of string?
<Hanmac1> there was a ticket about that on bugs.ruby-lang.org but the site is currently broken
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<bricker`LA> Hanmac1: yeah I think I read it there last time I was working with this
<bricker`LA> robertjpayne: lstrip if you just need to remove whitespace, otherwise you need String#sub
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<Hanmac1> just test if the object response to #read / #write or other classes you need, if yes than its File/IO-like enough
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<bricker`LA> apparently Tempfile does not inherit from IO
<bricker`LA> thanks Hanmac
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<Hanmac> StringIO doesnt too
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<bricker`LA> Now I'm just sad
<bricker`LA> what have you done to me Hanmac
<bricker`LA> Hanmac: you've ruined my christmas eve
<emocakes> happy xmas bricker`LA
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<bricker`LA> emocakes: thanks you too
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<bricker`LA> Hanmac: nice. I was looking at something different
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<bricker`LA> I remember a problem where the file wasn't closing automatically and turning my computer into a heater
<bricker`LA> can't recall exactly the circumstances
<Hanmac> shevy: look at the game title: http://i.computer-bild.de/p/649/5417649_800_600_m.jpg
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<mr_snowf1ake> Hanmac, is that real? Because if it is, I think I may need to purchase a 3DS......
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<Hanmac> mr_snowf1ake: yes it is! ;P there was also a game before for normal DS "Adventure Time: Hey Ice King! Why'd You Steal Our Garbage?!"
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<mr_snowf1ake> Hanmac: looks like I'm saving up :P
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<Hanmac> mr_snowf1ake: i played the game before its a nice action rpg ... just image how AWESOME it is! you can fight against Marceline in her Dæmon form! ;D
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<mr_snowf1ake> Hanmac: I don't think I can handle it... It just sounds way too mathematical!
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<Hanmac> Pah! Rhombus!
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<shevy> Hanmac you find so many strange pictures
<shevy> and I just woke up
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<shevy> Hanmac but in regards to dungeons, I always wondered why there were dragons in them... and also how they got into it through tiny doors...
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<Hanmac> shevy i think they where put inside the dungeons as eggs
<shevy> ah
<shevy> evil
<shevy> now I understand why they are so grumpy, all they wanna do is get out of there but they can't :(
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<SergeyPenkin> What is rbenv and how to install it. I am a newbie in ruby, please do not throw feces at me.
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<shevy> rbenv is a way to manage ruby installation
<shevy> "Use rbenv to pick a Ruby version for your application"
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<khismetix> What am I doing wrong here ? http://pastebin.com/w9qPTx5m
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<khismetix> getting this error : http://pastebin.com/srdns8gk
<havenwood> khismetix: Filter.call(a,&n)
<khismetix> :) ok .,thx!
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<khismetix> havenwood : why can't I use … Filter.call(a,&{ |b| b.even? })
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<khismetix> just curious
<khismetix> it blows up as well
<khismetix> your solution is fine where I assign the block to a Proc
<havenwood> khismetix: Filter.call(a) { |b| b.even? }
<khismetix> Filter.call(a, { |b| b.even? }) (without ampersand) doesn't work either
<khismetix> ah
<khismetix> just wrapping my head around block syntax
<khismetix> I see so a naked block like that shouldn't be part of params
<havenwood> indeed
<khismetix> function params, I mean
<khismetix> ok
<khismetix> cool
<khismetix> takes a bit of getting used to
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<benzrf> sup yo
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<shevy> hey benzrf
<shevy> you keep on coming back
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<shevy> like a boomerang
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<benzrf> boomerang would be a good name for a library of some kind
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<kure> Hey guys, anybody here uses Wordpress? I've recently made this gem that makes posting on Wordpress{.org,.com} blogs easy - quickpress. Check it out! http://quickpress.alexdantas.net/
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<shevy> wtf
<benzrf> i should make a hem
<benzrf> *gem
<shevy> must be an advertizer
<kure> What?
<shevy> oh nevermind
<shevy> I skipped the word "gem"
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<shevy> kure it got to me because wordpress is written in php
<kure> It also seems suspicious enough
<kure> shevy: It uses Wordpress' XML-RPC api, posts from outside
<shevy> well there is a link after all
<shevy> eeeeks
<shevy> XML
<shevy> :(
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<kure> It's one of the worst documented APIs ever, official docss are so confusing
<shevy> benzrf see, kure wrote a gem already... where is your first gem man
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<shevy> yeah kure, the official ruby docs stink
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<kure> thank god for ruby though, couldnt be nicer
<kure> shevy: nope, not rubys'! Im talking about wordpress' XML-RPC
<benzrf> it def could
<banister> benzrf for the record ruby doesnt really have constants either
<benzrf> ruby has serious issues maana
<benzrf> *maaan
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<benzrf> banister: ruby doesnt allow dynamic reassignment of constants which imo is the only difference between a var and a constant
<benzrf> any non-dynamic reassignment can be easily and automatically refactored into multiple vars
<benzrf> so if that's all that's available, constants are basically constants
<shevy> benzrf yeah that one is weird
<banister> benzrf yes ruby does, it just requires different syntax. There's nothing really const-like about constants, IMO it's a misnomer. What's interesting about ruby 'constants' are their look-up rules, that's it
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<shevy> >> class Foo; Abc = 'Hi'; Abc = 'there'; def test; puts Abc; end; end; Abc.new.test
<eval-in> shevy => /tmp/execpad-81a4bbf518c6/source-81a4bbf518c6:2: warning: already initialized constant Foo::Abc ... (https://eval.in/82568)
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<benzrf> banister: what do you mean it requires different syntax?
<benzrf> can you show me please
<shevy> >> class Foo; Abc = 'Hi'; Abc = 'there'; def test; puts Abc; end; end; Foo.new.test
<eval-in> shevy => /tmp/execpad-80a62e78deea/source-80a62e78deea:2: warning: already initialized constant Foo::Abc ... (https://eval.in/82569)
<banister> benzrf const_set
<shevy> man...
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<shevy> this bot totally sucks
<benzrf> oh weird
<benzrf> ...still constants :P
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<banister> benzrf no
<shevy> ok that's it
<benzrf> if it can only be done thru reflection then it's not a basic feature
<shevy> I am going to file an issue at bugs ruby lang
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<benzrf> i.e. private methods can still be called from outside
<benzrf> doesnt make them not private
<benzrf> because the only way is through reflection
<benzrf> constants behave like constants, just because they can be reflectively reassigned does not make them something else
<shevy> so what is constant about a constant that can be changed
<benzrf> shevy: you cannot *DYNAMICALLY* change a constant
<benzrf> the only changes you can make are ones that could be refactored into multiple vars by a machine
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<shevy> I think that is not true
<benzrf> ?
<shevy> ABC = 5; def lala;Object.const_set 'ABC', 6; end; lala;ABC
<shevy> what is ABC now
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<benzrf> did you read anything i just set
<benzrf> *said
<benzrf> 11:37 < benzrf> if it can only be done thru reflection then it's not a basic feature
<Hanmac> benzrf what about const_missing ? ;P
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<shevy> you said I can not dynamically change a constant
<benzrf> 11:37 < benzrf> if it can only be done thru reflection then it's not a basic feature
<benzrf> 11:37 < benzrf> i.e. private methods can still be called from outside
<benzrf> 11:37 < benzrf> doesnt make them not private
<benzrf> 11:37 < benzrf> because the only way is through reflection
<benzrf> 11:38 < benzrf> constants behave like constants, just because they can be reflectively reassigned does not make them something else
<banister> benzrf you can reassign them outside of method definitions, and the distinction between "reflection API' and ruby core features is slightly artificial in a ruby as dynamic as ruby
<banister> in a language as dynamic as ruby*
<benzrf> hmmm
<benzrf> that's true...
<benzrf> *the latter point
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> test
<shevy> am I still connected?
<benzrf> no
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<lxsameer> how can i execute a shell command interactively ?
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<mr_snowf1ake> lxsameer, what are you trying to run interactively?
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<mr_snowf1ake> oooh you mean from within ruby?
<lxsameer> mr_snowf1ake: yeah
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<mr_snowf1ake> lxsameer, you can use popen3
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<lxsameer> mr_snowf1ake: ok tanks
<lxsameer> *thanks
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<mr_snowf1ake> lxsameer, use it like this: Open3.popen3(cmd, opts) { |stdin, stdout, stderr, wait_thr| stdin.puts 'stuff to send to command'; exit_status = wait_thr.value; }
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<lxsameer> mr_snowf1ake: thanks
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<s2013> how can i get the first date in computer time or whatever
<s2013> like Date.beginning_of_time or something
<s2013> i think it was in 1970 or something
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<apeiros_unid> s2013: Time.at(0)
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<s2013> thanks
<apeiros_unid> but that's not "the first date", it's just the origin, you can have Time.at(negative_number)
<Hanmac1> so there is a time before time? ;P
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<benzrf> so i was thinking
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<atmosx> If you're an electron time is non-existent (so is space)
<benzrf> parser combinators are cool for making parsers
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<benzrf> what if you made something similar, but the objects generate text instead of parse it
<benzrf> serializer combinators, even
<Hanmac> >> Time.at(-(10**40))
<eval-in> Hanmac => -316887385068114309645621034627737-01-19 07:13:20 +0100 (https://eval.in/82576)
<benzrf> or something, idk
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<KK4MGV> benzrf: you mean like http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/?
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<benzrf> looking...
<benzrf> heheh
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<benzrf> KK4MGV: well you know parser combinators, right?
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<KK4MGV> never used/wrote one, but yes
<KK4MGV> so kinda
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<benzrf> so I was thinking about generator combinators
<benzrf> like, they read from the input object and write to output
<benzrf> or something o_o
<benzrf> so objects composed from other objects can be turned into output by composing generators for their parts
<benzrf> ... something like that
<benzrf> i feel like there's an idea for a template system here or something
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<benzrf> yeah... you write a bunch of smaller templates/generators that can be parameterized
<benzrf> then you can compose them to make pages
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<benzrf> has this been done already
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<benzrf> hmm
<benzrf> so if you map generators to objects
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<benzrf> you can directly attach your models to your view
<benzrf> s
<benzrf> or something
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<andyd> <p class="small"><%= truncate (job["note_text"], :length => 10 ) %></p>
<andyd> docs are suggesting that this is legal ERB
<andyd> but I get SyntaxError at /
<andyd> /home/andy/src/prospecting/web/views/index.erb:21: syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ')' ...t(( truncate (job["note_text"], :length => 10 ) ).to_s); @_o... ... ^ /home/andy/src/prospecting/web/views/index.erb:21: syntax error, unexpected ')', expecting keyword_end ...text"], :length => 10 ) ).to_s); @_out_buf.concat "</p>\n" ... ^
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<andyd> any clues ?
<benzrf> why are you using ':foo => bar' instead of 'foo: bar'
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<arclitgold> happy holidays all!
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<atmosx> hm I need to build software for medical offices
<andyd> benzrf: I don't know, but when i try that way instead, I get the same Syntax Error
<atmosx> and pharmacies
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<benzrf> huh
<benzrf> atmosx: so?
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<atmosx> benzrf: too much room for innovation there
<benzrf> hm
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<atmosx> I need to build something for me the to-be-mine pharmacy and then package it and sell it.
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<andyd> i also get a NoMethodError whene trying <p class="small"><%= job["note_text"].truncate(10) %></p>
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<atmosx> andyd: 'job' doesn't work apparently
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<atmosx> or it's not the type of method you expect
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<atmosx> err s/method/object
<andyd> it's a string
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<andyd> Which is why i am so confused. :-)
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<atmosx> you sure?
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<benzrf> hey, in pry what's the key to redo the last line
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<shevy> atmosx cool. in ruby? or do you have to use something like java or C
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<atmosx> shevy: Ruby and probably some C.
<shevy> nice
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<shevy> make sure to tell how things went in 6 months :-)
<atmosx> shevy: mixing arduino + web services
<atmosx> sure heh
<atmosx> :-)
<shevy> aruino? isn't that a mini computer?
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<shevy> +d
<atmosx> yeap
<atmosx> I need to create a series of devices that read data, like height, blood pressure etc. You can find sensors these days
<atmosx> hight, weight (digitals) .. etc
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<atmosx> Now I'm testing OpenEMR. I could write modules for this system, which is OS and has already a full (almost bloated) medical record system... but I don't like the interface and that fact htat uses PHP
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<shevy> hehehehehe
<shevy> so you finally made it into PHP!
<shevy> :)
<atmosx> No I wont
<shevy> benzrf, go help atmosx and become a php master
<atmosx> I can write something more specific myself, given enough time
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<benzrf> ew
<benzrf> php is freakin gross
<benzrf> its a giant mess
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<shevy> a guy from #emn complained that they now show white pages rather than errors
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<shevy> in php
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<shevy> apparently they changed $this->type() to $this->getData() or $this->getDataType()
<shevy> so if old code uses ->type() still, a white page will be displayed (lol)
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<mjc_> heh
<shevy> I think in ruby we had #id once
<shevy> then it was changed to #object_id
<shevy> or was it #type ?
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<mjc_> #id -> #object_id
<benzrf> >> 3.type
<eval-in> benzrf => undefined method `type' for 3:Fixnum (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/82617)
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<shevy> >> "abc".id
<eval-in> shevy => undefined method `id' for "abc":String (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/82619)
<shevy> that was so great to type back in the ancient days
<shevy> so neat... so short
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<mjc_> except when you actually didn't want object_id heh
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<benzrf> in ruby do colons do anything besides symbols & hash literals
<mjc_> double colon for namespaces
<benzrf> right
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<Hanmac> 18>> "abc".id
<eval-in> Hanmac => /tmp/execpad-3fc8f85dc75c/source-3fc8f85dc75c:2: warning: Object#id will be deprecated; use Object#object_id ... (https://eval.in/82629)
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<mjc_> benzrf: also ternary operator
<mjc_> foo == bar ? "foo does equal bar" : "foo does not equal bar"
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<benzrf> oh right
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<shevy> does python not make use of colons?
<benzrf> it uses them for slices
<benzrf> and dict literals
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<mr_snowf1ake> shevy, this might have already been mentioned, but colons are used in function declarations in python, ie. def foo:
<shevy> ah yes
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<rawGem> anyone know by my "b" key would not work in irb?
<rawGem> ...or rails console
<benzrf> ??
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<benzrf> why are you using irb?
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<rawGem> why not?
<benzrf> pry4lyfe
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<rawGem> compatible with rails 4 ruby 2?
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<rawGem> nvm
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<shevy> rawGem the b key works in my irb
<shevy> perhaps you have a dirty keyboard!
<shevy> get rid of the food leftovers
<Hanmac> rawGem: #rubyonrails
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<shevy> or #rubyhippies
<rawGem> I get the error noise, and works fine elsewhere
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<rawGem> Hanmac: I'll try that channel, but sometimes they like to flame. wanted to try here first.
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<benzrf> hey
<benzrf> isn't there a dsl for html or something
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<Hanmac> benzrf: nokogiri ?
<benzrf> no, for generating it
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<Hanmac> Nokogiri::HTML::Builder
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<benzrf> hmm
<benzrf> ohcibi:
<benzrf> *oh
<benzrf> i just wrote the same thing without realizing it
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* Hanmac knows what you want, without realizing it
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<benzrf> well
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<benzrf> MY version does not require a prefix
<benzrf> AND it's only like 70 lines
<benzrf> so there
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<benzrf> so i was thinking about generator combinators or something
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<benzrf> so a generator is an object that takes an object and spits out a string
<benzrf> then you can combine them
<benzrf> like parser combinators in reverse
<benzrf> maybe
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<benzrf> so then you could do something like
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<benzrf> if 'User' contains #address and #title, then you could make a user renderer with something like
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<benzrf> user_renderer = combo(address: address_renderer, title: title_renderer)
<benzrf> idk
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<benzrf> ruby's hashes are ordered, right?
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<kure> by defaut? no
<benzrf> hmm
<benzrf> [1] pry(main)> def foo *args; args; end
<benzrf> [3] pry(main)> foo a: 1, b: 2
<benzrf> => [{:a=>1, :b=>2}]
<benzrf> [5] pry(main)> foo b: 2, a: 1
<benzrf> => [{:b=>2, :a=>1}]
<benzrf> ??
<kure> > def foo *args; args; end; foo a:1, c:2, b:3
<kure> >> def foo *args; args; end; foo a:1, c:2, b:3
<eval-in> kure => [{:a=>1, :c=>2, :b=>3}] (https://eval.in/82645)
<kure> >> def foo (*args).sort; args; end; foo a:1, c:2, b:3
<eval-in> kure => /tmp/execpad-0f442c8c7dbc/source-0f442c8c7dbc:2: syntax error, unexpected '.' ... (https://eval.in/82646)
<kure> oops
<kure> def foo *args; args.sort; end; foo a:1, c:2, b:3
<kure> aagh, whatever
<alexherbo2> how convert named capture groups to hash?
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<alexherbo2> s/hash/hash list/
<alexherbo2> to convert the first match to hash, i use:
<alexherbo2> matches = self.match text
<alexherbo2> Hash[ matches.names.zip matches.captures ]
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<alexherbo2> i would do the same with scan
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<devdvd> Hi all, having a problem that seems kinda strange to me. Using Ruby 2.0.0p195, here is the gist https://gist.github.com/devblueray/8118180 The problem is when I call the script with -s domain.com it works just fine but when i call it with -s www.domain.com it errors out on line 32 saying undefined method `-' for nil:NilClass
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<devdvd> actually, i think i figured it out
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<shevy> benzrf I am bored
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<benzrf> shevy: arent we all
<shevy> :(
<shevy> I dunno... I already wrote some ruby code, but now coding disgusts me
<benzrf> shevy: did u see my pattern matching thing
<benzrf> 'coding disgusts me'?
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> code is awful
<benzrf> o:
<shevy> I can't see it anymore
<benzrf> huh
<benzrf> learn haskell
<benzrf> its nifty
<shevy> my math is very limited
<benzrf> you dont need math for haskell
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<benzrf> just dont expect to write actual programs in it until you know it pretty well and you should be ok
<benzrf> for example if you want to write a program that does anything when run instead of just a library of functions, youll either have to use features that you dont understand at all or else you cant do itamaryu
<benzrf> *when you are a beginner
<benzrf> *do it
<shevy> so in other words
<shevy> you must be clever to become productive in haskell
<shevy> now you see why php is a success
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<shevy> if php would not be so ugly and disgusting... :(
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<benzrf> what i was saying was actually
<benzrf> you have to know haskell fairly well to do I/O in it
<benzrf> you can barely know it and still write some useful functions
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<mr_snowf1ake> benzrf, haskell seems to have quite the cult following, but i have never really heard what exactly it is that people like about it.
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<benzrf> it has uniquely awesome features (for a mainstream language)
<benzrf> mr_snowf1ake: what do you know about it
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<mr_snowf1ake> only that i have some friends who swear by it and that it's functional.
<benzrf> it is PURELY functinoal
<benzrf> *functional
<mr_snowf1ake> yes
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<mr_snowf1ake> sorry, that's what i meant
<benzrf> as in, every function is referentially transparent
<mr_snowf1ake> alright
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<benzrf> as a result, the language is universally non-strict
<benzrf> which is pretty nifty
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<mr_snowf1ake> so what's better about haskell than other purely functional languages?
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<benzrf> well, afaik it's the only really mainstream one
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<benzrf> do you know any others?
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<benzrf> mr_snowf1ake: ?
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<YOURBESTFRIEND> WHAT ABOUT LISP
<benzrf> (defun foo () (princ "not pure!"))
<YOURBESTFRIEND> WHAT ABOUT ERLANG
<mr_snowf1ake> benzrf, not off the top of my head. but some languages have pure subsets
<benzrf> hmm, true
<shevy> ruby needs to include erlang concepts
<shevy> immortal, networked, failsafe objects
<benzrf> anyway, haskell uses an extended version of hindley-milner iirc
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<benzrf> which means that even though it is 100% statically typed, 95% of types can be inferred
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<mr_snowf1ake> huh
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<benzrf> and it supports polymorphism through typeclasses, which are a bit like java's interfaces
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<mr_snowf1ake> alright
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<benzrf> pretty much the only time types cannot be inferred is if you have a value whose only inferrable attribute is that it is an instance of a typeclass
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<benzrf> which is rarely an issue in real programs
<benzrf> usually just in snippets entered into the REPL
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<benzrf> it has curried functions and craploads of HOFs, which work AMAZINGLY well together
<mr_snowf1ake> huh
<benzrf> ive found it to be spectacular for bottom-up design
<h0rrorvacui> All of that is great but how do we convince people it helps meet deadlines and makes for better software?
<mr_snowf1ake> oh, also, i recall one other thing.... someone told me that runtime errors are pretty much not a thing in haskell
<benzrf> they occasionally are
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<benzrf> but usually just if your program is poorly designed
<mr_snowf1ake> alright
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<benzrf> haskell is 100% purely functional, which means there are no exceptions or anything
<mr_snowf1ake> yeah
<benzrf> so the only kind of runtime error that you're likely to see outside of I/O code is a pattern failure
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<benzrf> and those should not be an issue unless you're abusing ADTs
<benzrf> most other errors are type errors, which are caught at compile time
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<benzrf> haskell has pattern matching which is pretty awesome also
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<benzrf> mr_snowf1ake: are you familiar?
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<shevy> I swear mr_snowf1ake must be as clueless about haskell as me
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<benzrf> in general, it is excellent at data manipulation, and program flow can be more easily represented as data than data as program flow
<mr_snowf1ake> shevy, you're right.
<benzrf> mr_snowf1ake: do you know bout pattern matching
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<mr_snowf1ake> benzrf, about pattern matching in haskell?
<benzrf> yeah
<benzrf> not to be confused with regexes
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<mr_snowf1ake> hmm
<benzrf> it's kinda like regexes
<benzrf> but it operates on every kind of data and is better-defined
<mr_snowf1ake> oh, i see
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<benzrf> anyway
<mr_snowf1ake> so it's kind of a more general alternative
<benzrf> not exactly
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<YOURBESTFRIEND> it's like a more powerful switch
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<benzrf> it's also bit like list assignment, but it works for every kind of data
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<benzrf> and it can be used to check matches as well as unpack
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<benzrf> example:
<benzrf> given this type decl:
<benzrf> data Tree = Leaf Int | Branch Int [Tree]
<benzrf> you can write a function to search a tree for values like this:
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<benzrf> contains (Leaf x) value = x == value
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<mr_snowf1ake> oooh i see, that's pretty cool
<kooper> I tried earlier with no luck. I'll try again...
<benzrf> contains (Branch x children) = x == value || any contains children
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<benzrf> the two definitions are merged into one function
<kooper> In IRB, I get the error beep when I press the "b" key. Any ideas?
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<benzrf> the type of 'any' is:
<benzrf> any :: (a -> Bool) -> [a] -> Bool
<benzrf> it takes a predicate over type 'a' and a list of a's and returns a bool
<benzrf> you can practically tell what it does just from its type
<benzrf> that's another neat feature of the type system
<mr_snowf1ake> huh
<benzrf> there's a site called hoogle where you can put in types
<benzrf> and search the stdlib and stuff
<mr_snowf1ake> oh i see
<benzrf> so if you wanted 'any' but didnt know the name, you could figure out that that would be its type
<benzrf> then hoogle it
<benzrf> :D
<benzrf> also notice that I wrote no types for my definitions of contains
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<benzrf> but haskell would still understand em
<mr_snowf1ake> yeah
<benzrf> and could derive the type as 'Tree -> Int -> Bool'
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<h0rrorvacui> benzrf chill don't blow a gasket over haskell, quick someone change the subject or we may not cool the reactor!!!
<h0rrorvacui> :P
<benzrf> heh
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<h0rrorvacui> nah haskell is awesome
<benzrf> oh wait crap that function is incorrect
<atmosx> crap
<benzrf> w/e I could easily amend it
<benzrf> actually let me show you how id do that
<benzrf> > contains (Branch x children) = x == value || any contains children
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<benzrf> notice that the type of any takes an 'a -> Bool', but the type of contains is 'Tree -> Int -> Bool'
<benzrf> not 'Tree -> Bool'
<benzrf> look @ this
<benzrf> if I flop the argument order
<benzrf> contains value (Branch x children) = x == value || any contains children
<benzrf> then the type is now 'Int -> Tree -> Bool'
<benzrf> contains value (Branch x children) = x == value || any (contains value) children
<benzrf> the type of 'contains value' is 'Tree -> Bool'
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<benzrf> currying :D
<mr_snowf1ake> hmm
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<mr_snowf1ake> anyway, thanks for the brief tour benzrf :) maybe it's about time for me to learn me a haskell for greater good.
<h0rrorvacui> benzrf you read http://createyourproglang.com/ ?
<benzrf> fug yeah
<benzrf> h0rrorvacui: no :|
<benzrf> although i did implement a shitty tiny lisp a while back in haskell
<benzrf> it had true lambdas though which was a pain
<ddd> Ruby haskell Io.. what's next? Go? ;)
<h0rrorvacui> YEAH
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<h0rrorvacui> Go is my new love affair
<ddd> h0rrorvacui: oh boy. Definitely forgot the coolant for the reactor
<ddd> and now, I've lit another one!
<ddd> sheesh
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<benzrf> ddd: ive already done python dont forget that
<benzrf> h0rrorvacui: pfft this site looks dumb
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<ddd> hahaha
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<h0rrorvacui> yeah the site is stupid
<h0rrorvacui> the book is alright but its short
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<benzrf> livescript >>>>>>> coffeescript anyway
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<mr_snowf1ake> dart
<h0rrorvacui> I've not given dart much attention
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<benzrf> screw dart livescript is whur its at
<ddd> i checked in just to see how folks were doing, and i come into a full on froth-at-the-mouth language party! hahah
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<benzrf> aint no party like a language party
<ddd> lol
<h0rrorvacui> ddd ruby enthusiasts are language enthusiasts
<benzrf> i kinda want to attend a conference/convention/whatever but there is probably nothing near me :[
<h0rrorvacui> I'm finding Rust is fun too.
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<mr_snowf1ake> i go to a huge C school... people there even hate C++ for being too high level.
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<ddd> h0rrorvacui: there's enthusiasm, and then there's Quick! Get the heart paddles! I think we've moved past the 'enthusiasm' ;)
<benzrf> curly braces give me java flashbacks though DL
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<benzrf> mr_snowf1ake: anyway check out the standard definition of map in haskell
<ddd> ok, i put the hospital and chopper on standby. continue frothing :)
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<benzrf> map f [] = []
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<benzrf> map f (x:xs) = (f x:map f xs)
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<h0rrorvacui> benzrf #haskell exists yet you don't on that channel?
<h0rrorvacui> whats up with that :P
<benzrf> but then im the one who knows nothing so i dont get to lecture people
<benzrf> :<
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<benzrf> theyre all talkin about lenses n bifunctors n shit
<benzrf> the fuck is a bifunctor
<h0rrorvacui> you should idle it man :P
<benzrf> i dont take log
<benzrf> s
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<mr_snowf1ake> benzrf, it's math :P
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<benzrf> bah
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<h0rrorvacui> I want another new mainstream language. I'm routing for Rust but I'd be happy with Go.
<benzrf> *rooting
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<benzrf> ;p
<benzrf> i really really like ruby
<benzrf> and a lot of it is matches my ideal language
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<benzrf> but god does the rest cheese me off
<h0rrorvacui> tahnks
<h0rrorvacui> :P
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<mr_snowf1ake> my issue with ruby is that it doesn't have much traction in the scientific community
<mr_snowf1ake> so it doesn't have many libraries useful for that kind of thing
<h0rrorvacui> Jag kan stava
<mr_snowf1ake> but apart from that, it's awesome.
<h0rrorvacui> Ruby is just good to look at and I have to do a lot of looking so thats why I'm here.
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<benzrf> i feel like backcall syntax would be awesome in ruby
<benzrf> and an argless version also
<krainbol1greene> Radar: Hey, so do you have any examples of the slow schema thing?
<benzrf> maybe i could make something that does disassembly and converts that
<krainbol1greene> And are backups the only drawback?
<benzrf> i wonder if anybody would use it >_>
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<mr_snowf1ake> benzrf https://github.com/auser/backcall :P
<benzrf> O:\
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<benzrf> um this is not what i meant
<mr_snowf1ake> i haven't looked at it so it might be terrible but who knows
<benzrf> backcall was the name i stole from livescript
<mr_snowf1ake> ahh
<benzrf> it is basically a rip off of the backwards arrow from haskell's do notation
<benzrf> ish
<benzrf> the idea is that you can do this:
<benzrf> foo <- bar(3)
<benzrf> baz
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<benzrf> and it will be translated to
<benzrf> bar(3) {|foo| baz}
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<benzrf> so if you have super nested callbacks that will undo it
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<benzrf> or even just slightly nested
<benzrf> it just looks more elegant~
<benzrf> :y
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<mr_snowf1ake> yeah...
<mr_snowf1ake> hmm... do you guys run into the problem of getting confused between languages sometimes?
<benzrf> occasionally
<mgberlin> when defining a method for a class, why would you use self.methodName?
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<benzrf> mgberlin: 'def foo.bar' adds the method bar to foo's singleton class
<benzrf> mgberlin: in a class block, self is the class being defined
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<mgberlin> so whats the difference between class Tile; def self.create
<mgberlin> and just class Tile; def create
<canton7> Title.create vs Title.new.create
<benzrf> def normally defines a method in the class body you're currently in
<benzrf> oops
<benzrf> mgberlin: when I say 'def foo', foo becomes a method for instances of the class im in
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<benzrf> mgberlin: when I say 'def bar.foo', foo becomes a method on the object bar, and just bar
<benzrf> mgberlin: unless something else is also using bar's singleton class for some unholy reason
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<mgberlin> so i'm looking at http://dave.burt.id.au/ruby/sokoban.rb
<mgberlin> why would he use def self.create instead of just def.create?
<benzrf> mgberlin: def.create doesn't mean anything
<benzrf> do you mean def create?
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<mgberlin> ohyeah typo
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<benzrf> def create will add the method create to instances of the class youre in
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<benzrf> so if you're in the class def for Tile
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<benzrf> instances of Tile will get the method create
<canton7> mgberlin, notice he does 'Tile.create'. So his 'create' method is called on the Tile class, not an instance of the Tile class
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<mgberlin> benzrf: so if I do example = Tile.new then it wouldn't work to do example.create?
<benzrf> right
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<benzrf> at that point in the code, self refers to the class Tile
<benzrf> so 'def self.create' defines the method create on the object Tile
<mgberlin> but what does it mean to create a class?
<mgberlin> i understand creating an instance of one
<benzrf> don't ask me
<benzrf> im not reading the code
<benzrf> maybe it's like .new?
<benzrf> notice that Tile.new is not making a new class
<benzrf> it's making a new instance of Tile
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<benzrf> maybe Tile.create creates an instance of Tile
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<canton7> it's a factory method. Tile.create can return a new instance of a Wall, Floor, Storage, etc
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<mgberlin> is a "factory method" a thing I could read about, or just something you made up?
<benzrf> a factory is something that returns new objects
<mgberlin> NM, found on wikipedia
<benzrf> based on its arguments
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<mgberlin> very cool
<mgberlin> okay, i think i can figure out what's going on now, thanks people.
<benzrf> np
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<canton7> be careful not to over-use factories (java went down that route), but they are the perfect fit for some scenarios
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<benzrf> :D
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<h0rrorvacui> I hate F# I don't see why someone would use it over say haskell.
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<benzrf> h0rrorvacui: did u see my link
<benzrf> :>
<h0rrorvacui> yeah awesome
<benzrf> ikr
<benzrf> i wonder how it handles genuine cases of <- though
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<jxport> Why does it say things like, "can't convert FixNum into String" - but it has a .to_s ?
<benzrf> because if it did it automatically then you could get subtle bugs
<benzrf> values should be the type that they are, not another one
<benzrf> if you have a number, dont store it as a string
<canton7> PHP does that conversion automatically (called 'weak typing'). It causes all sorts of pain. Ruby's strong typing is far, far, preferable IMO
<h0rrorvacui> PHP is a poster child for wrong :P
<benzrf> php is p much the only language i will dump on unconditionally
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<h0rrorvacui> Although now that I look at it PHP is finally fixing what I hate about it so maybe I should try it out and see if I still hate it.
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<jxport> benzrf: Java and .toString
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