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<benzrf> zeknox: slice is the python name for that, i do not know if that is what this particular thing is called in ruby
<atmosx> shevy: wow
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<atmosx> shevy: you're going to be ritch, what exactly are your intern going to be
<atmosx> ?
* atmosx studies pharmacy and shevy is going to make intern in a pharma company!
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<xybre> zeknox: -1 is the index of the last element in an array.
<shevy> atmosx dunno yet, he is the group leader of their bioinformatics research division. it's actually collaboration with the local university (i.e. a joint building, one part belongs to the university, the other is the private area of the company)
<zeknox> xybre: that makes the most sense to me now -1 is last, and .. is everything in between
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<shevy> atmosx so I'll have to leave a good impression and don't know how yet
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<xybre> zeknox: Yep. Ruby has a native Range syntax, so you can do (1..4) to get a Range object anytime you like really.
<zeknox> xybre: love it
<zeknox> thanks guys, very helpful as always!
<ur-cong> >> "ur-cong".slice(2..-1)
<eval-in> ur-cong => "-cong" (https://eval.in/94948)
<baroquebobcat> zeknox: you can think of negative indices as arr[arr.length - n] where arr.length is elided
<ur-cong> >> "ur-cong".slice(2,-1) # i perfer this
<eval-in> ur-cong => nil (https://eval.in/94949)
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<Hanmac> shevy: yeah! new HDD was successful integrated into RAID ... now i have 1,9TB free in my RAID ,P
<atmosx> shevy: Okay, write a blog post with impressions about it.
<atmosx> shevy: my thesis, which I wills start writting next week is about sequencing current and new methods. So if you have any inputs let me know ;-)
<benzrf> ur-cong: *prefer
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<freeone3000> Hanmac: What do you do with the other four drives?
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<Hanmac> freeone3000: building C++ libs from source?
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<shevy> atmosx gah, firefox froze my system just now...
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<atmosx> shevy: get a mac!
<atmosx> shevy: you're on ubuntu right?
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<shevy> on slackware
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<benzrf> atmosx: ubuntu > os x
<benzrf> muh freedumbs
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<benzrf> man what is it with ruby users and macs i have never seen such an epidemic of apple in python
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<ur-cong> that's why i wrote this https://eval.in/94950
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<atmosx> benzrf: beautiful things get stuck together
<benzrf> bahar:
<benzrf> *bah
<benzrf> haskell now thats beautiful
<atmosx> benzrf: it's chemistry, like when Na+ finds an -OH molecule lying around
<benzrf> ruby is pleasant iunno if its beautiful
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<atmosx> I thin it is
<benzrf> if you ask me ruby fits linux better;
<atmosx> with my deep and life-long experience in programming, I can say it is.
* atmosx knows half a language
<benzrf> many ways to do the same thing, a bit chaotic, some inconsistencies, but still very nice
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<atmosx> benzrf: fits everything except windows imho. I'm equally comfortable with linux and a mac. I just prefer OSX as a DE
<benzrf> fair nuff
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<benzrf> i dislike how much of the OS in mac is not just a thin wrapper around a cli thing
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<benzrf> i.e. 'user accounts' seems to be a whole thick layer over actual unix users
<benzrf> vs in ubuntu or somethin where adduser will actually make a new option in the DM
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<shevy> benzrf the thing is you can ignore the ugly parts in ruby and just use the pretty parts
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<shevy> there is indeed a lot of cruft
<shevy> FileUtils. vs Dir. vs File (and we had FileTest too in the past or?)
<benzrf> a linux thing again ;)
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<shevy> it's the unix origin
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<shevy> because they were incompetent with GUIs, they had to work on the commandline
<benzrf> although iunno how unixy ruby is
<benzrf> what with its heaps of convenience methods
<shevy> well it really was inspired a lot by perl
<shevy> just see the $ variables it stole
<benzrf> yea
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<shevy> I hope ruby 3.0 will be cleaned up radically
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<shevy> matz never thought of a gem-like tool as part of default ruby :(
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<Hanmac> shevy tell us the truth ... you want rwx part of ruby3.0 ;P
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<benzrf> whats rwx
<benzrf> o-O
<Hanmac> benzrf: new binding for wxWidgets
<Hanmac> its self written and does not use SWIG shit
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<Fractional> Is there a way to create a hash that holds it values inside a function and keeps the value after the call?
<Fractional> Like a constant within the function that is saved in memory, if you understand.
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<shevy> Hanmac nah, the sooner the better. but admittedly, I won't have much time in the next ~5 weeks :(
<shevy> Fractional I did not understand the question
<shevy> perhaps a Proc
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<shevy> @my_proc.call(my_key)
<shevy> @my_proc[my_key]
<Hanmac> shevy: tomorrow morning i will work on the binding again, i can now without risk because my Disks are synced now
<Fractional> Like, I've a hash inside a function called age. How can I make so it holds it value over multiple calls to the same function?
<Fractional> def something age = Hash.new end something
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<benzrf> Fractional: an ivar, of course!
<benzrf> that is what they are for!
<Hanmac> Fractional: def something @age ||= Hash.new end
<Fractional> Never heard of them :P
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<benzrf> aka @vars
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<Fractional> Oh, alright :D
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<Fractional> instance var?
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<atmosx> Fractional: yes
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<atmosx> Hanmac's code creates a new @age var if the @age is not defined yet. (Hanmac is that so? I never used this convention, saw it once online iirc)
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<ur-cong> ||= assigns to the variable if the value of the variable is nil, so it's once assigned no matter how many times you call/run the code.
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<benzrf> well also if it is false...
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<ur-cong> >> puts a ||= 'ur'; puts a ||= 'cong';
<eval-in> ur-cong => ur ... (https://eval.in/94951)
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<ur-cong> >> puts (a ||= 'ur') + ' ' + (a ||= 'cong');
<eval-in> ur-cong => ur ur ... (https://eval.in/94952)
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<ur-cong> see
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<shevy> donkey cong!
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<ur-cong> donkey kong has a K not a C
<ur-cong> im-cong
<benzrf> shevy does not let things like spelling stop him
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<shevy> hey
<shevy> you write china
<shevy> not kina
<shevy> so
<shevy> you are cong, he is cong, she is cong, donkey all are cong!
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<shevy> it's monkey coding
<shevy> guess why it is called monkey patching!
<atmosx> I write Κίνα
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<atmosx> y?
<shevy> what is that
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<atmosx> china
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<shevy> ah
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<shevy> sino
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<Fractional> Time to learn about error throwing (for a thing on the website) :D
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<shevy> begin/rescue
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<Fractional> Why would they want me to throw an exception for that task?
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<Fractional> " it must throw an error in order to remind Santa." What do they mean you think?
<shevy> hmmm
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<shevy> Hanmac, help me out
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<shevy> >> "/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS/gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz".gsub(/gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz/,'')
<eval-in> shevy => "/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS/gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz" (https://eval.in/94954)
<shevy> how can I get rid of the last part? the regex seems to think that + is special character rather than part of the filename
<shevy> Fractional but you can throw specific errors via raise too
<MrZYX> shevy: File.dirname ?
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<shevy> huh
<shevy> hmmm
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<Fractional> shevy: I really do not get what they are asking me to do. I've completed everything except the error throwing =/
<shevy> weird :D
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<shevy> MrZYX now I have to figure out why I wanted to .gsub
<MrZYX> :P
<shevy> Fractional only two ways I think - raise, and throw
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<MrZYX> shevy: btw gsub takes a string too (and doesn't interpret it as a regex then)
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> >> "/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS/gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz".gsub('gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz','')
<eval-in> shevy => "/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS/" (https://eval.in/94955)
<shevy> huh
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<MrZYX> finally, you could also just #delete
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<shevy> >> "/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS/gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz".delete('gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz')
<eval-in> shevy => "UsesSRCGTKPLUS" (https://eval.in/94956)
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<MrZYX> or maybe I'm wrong on this one :P
<benzrf> ri>
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<benzrf> maaan ri sux
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<MrZYX> benzrf: use pry-doc ;P
<shevy> wheee
<shevy> I found it
<shevy> >> "/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS/gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz".gsub(/#{Regexp.escape('gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz')}/,'')
<eval-in> shevy => "/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS/" (https://eval.in/94957)
<shevy> awful, so I will use File.dirname
<MrZYX> ;D
<shevy> and comment "wtf did I want to use File.basename here"
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<shevy> oh... why the fuck... not what the fuck
<shevy> hmm
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<benzrf> is there a /good/ pathname manipulation gem
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<shevy> use Pathname!
<shevy> it sucks!
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<benzrf> fuck that ima make a good one
<shevy> YOUR FIRST GEM
<shevy> I CAN NOT BELIEVE IT :)))
<benzrf> a wrapper around Pathname maybe
<shevy> \o/
<shevy> ... benzrf is doing a gem ...
<shevy> let's dance!
<shevy> \o~
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<MrZYX> what's actually that bad about Pathname, I always forget
<shevy> \o..
<benzrf> how i make gem
<benzrf> MrZYX: it is terrible
<benzrf> nearly java-like, perhaps
<shevy> Pathname.new(x).ugly.wtf.what.is_this
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<MrZYX> okay, so nothing too real
<shevy> >> Pathname.new("http://www.google.com/google_is/toobig/stuff.mp3").basename
<eval-in> shevy => uninitialized constant Pathname (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/94958)
<shevy> >> require 'pathname'; Pathname.new("http://www.google.com/google_is/toobig/stuff.mp3").basename
<eval-in> shevy => #<Pathname:stuff.mp3> (https://eval.in/94959)
<shevy> it must be required!
<shevy> that's the first problem
<shevy> it gives back unusable shit!
<benzrf> basically it is inconvenient and verbose
<shevy> yes!
<Fractional> Woho, completed one of the tasks, yey :D
<shevy> but look at this:
<shevy> relative_path_from
<shevy> that's a method
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<benzrf> ooh handy
<shevy> IS THAT NOT AWESOME?!
<MrZYX> thing is, people tell me to use File and Dir stuff instead. And over that IMO Pathname is an improvement
<shevy> the docu even has a discalimer
<shevy> *disclaimer
<shevy> "This method has existed since 1.8.1."
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<shevy> I think File and Dir are 1000x cooler than Pathname
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<shevy> just look at your above solution MrZYX!
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<shevy> did you use Pathname or did you suggest File
<shevy> see?! :D
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<shevy> your BRAIN can not deal with Pathname!
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<shevy> it's like no neuronal cells have been reserved to refer to it
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<MrZYX> File.dirname(File.expand_path(File.join('~/whatever', File.join('something', 'else'))) vs Pathname.new("~/whatever").join('something", "else").expand_path.dirname # yeah so bad m(
<benzrf> :(
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<YOURBESTFRIEND> how can you make something like Array#pop return the object it is popping from instead of the thing it popped?
<benzrf> that looks almost like python's path manip tools D:
<YOURBESTFRIEND> (to chain more stuff together)
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<benzrf> YOURBESTFRIEND: get andand and use me
<benzrf> YOURBESTFRIEND: or use tp
<benzrf> *tap
<benzrf> but me is better
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<shevy> MrZYX no File.join! no File.expand_path!
<benzrf> hmm this does not look too bad actually http://rubydoc.info/gems/path
<shevy> MrZYX '/' works!
<MrZYX> YOURBESTFRIEND: you can't, but there probably is something nice for what you actually want to do
<benzrf> in fact it looks much like what i meant to make
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<YOURBESTFRIEND> well tap works great
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<benzrf> YOURBESTFRIEND: me is betr
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<benzrf> foo.me.bar always returns foo
<benzrf> but also invokes bar
<benzrf> on foo
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<benzrf> it is magic~
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<YOURBESTFRIEND> what's me
<benzrf> a method from andand
<YOURBESTFRIEND> what's andand
<benzrf> a gem
<benzrf> it also has andand
<benzrf> foo.andand.bar == if foo.nil? then nil else fo.bar
<benzrf> *foo
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<YOURBESTFRIEND> (￣ー￣)
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<YOURBESTFRIEND> >> '/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS/gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz'.split('/').tap { |x| x.pop }.join('/')
<eval-in> YOURBESTFRIEND => "/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS" (https://eval.in/94960)
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<MrZYX> that's almost as worse as the Regexp.escape version ;P
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<benzrf> ew
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<benzrf> why not .me.pop.join
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<MrZYX> if you'd at least did .tap(&:pop) ...
<YOURBESTFRIEND> shit
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<benzrf> hah
<YOURBESTFRIEND> >> '/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS/gtk+-3.11.4.tar.xz'.split('/').tap(&:pop).join('/')
<eval-in> YOURBESTFRIEND => "/Users/x/SRC/GTKPLUS" (https://eval.in/94961)
<MrZYX> yeah, so slightly less worse
<MrZYX> slightly
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<shevy> ack
<shevy> tap poop poop
<benzrf> shevy you must get over your fear of constructs such as this
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<MrZYX> benzrf: he has deeper problems than that, like fear of UTF-8
<benzrf> oh gosh
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<shevy> benzrf I am too old, I go with my gut feeling, instincts and my visual taste for beauty
<benzrf> unicode is simple
<shevy> I don't fear UTF-8 but it's unusable
<benzrf> you must simply discard your ideas about bytes & strings
<shevy> "abc"[1,1] <--- simple
<MrZYX> it's only unusable because people like you don't adopt and we still have to deal with all the other crap at the same time
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<shevy> so why wasn't it chosen for 1.8.x
<benzrf> yes shevy it is your own fault
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<benzrf> you lazy bum
<shevy> why did the world not crash before UTF
<shevy> why can I continue using my computer without UTF
<MrZYX> I'm asking myself that all the time
<shevy> hey if you got some killer arguments
<shevy> out with them!
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<shevy> cool
<MrZYX> can your ISO-bla-foo-crap do that?
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<shevy> nope
<benzrf> B)
<shevy> I always wanted a language with inbuilt snowman powers
<MrZYX> see
<benzrf> mine has pentagonal snowflakes
<benzrf> heresy
<shevy> WE CAN GET RID OF .png AND .jpg AND .gif!
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<benzrf> ☃
<shevy> how does that work?
<shevy> the html source shows &#9731;
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<benzrf> [3] pry(main)> ☃ = "snowman!"
<benzrf> => "snowman!"
<benzrf> [5] pry(main)> puts "hello #{☃}"
<benzrf> hello snowman!
<benzrf> magic
<shevy> wat
<benzrf> snowman is a unicode char
<shevy> hmm
<MrZYX> yeah, turns out ruby accepts unicode characters as identifiers
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<benzrf> also http://poop.la
<shevy> you could have a snowman method?
<benzrf> wait
<benzrf> o:
<MrZYX> like the special kind of spaces, like the closed ones or the non-breaking ones
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<benzrf> my bad
<shevy> benzrf WHY DO YOU SEND ME TO A DEAD PAGE
<shevy> NO YOU HAVE NO MORE KARMA LEFT FOR TODAY
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<benzrf> oops
<benzrf> poop character!
<shevy> you are in the dead intarnetz
<benzrf> dog.
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<shevy> hey guys
<shevy> what do you think about this:
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<shevy> if foo
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<shevy> do_bla
<shevy> else
<shevy> do_ble
<shevy> end
<shevy> OR (and here comes the thing...
<shevy> if foo
<shevy> do_bla
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<shevy> else
<shevy> do_ble; end # <--- there it is!
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<shevy> benzrf, comment
<MrZYX> I think it's a
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<shevy> I can't read what is between 'a' and 'idea' :)
<shevy> could be everything right now hehe
<MrZYX> another killer argument for unicode!
<shevy> good, bad ... hmm
<shevy> :(
<benzrf> hmmm
<benzrf> bbias
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<shevy> benzrf, don't you like it because of the PYTHON way?
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<NemesisD> hey guys. i was thinking that you could use Thread#value as a chea way to get parallel mapping, but i had a question
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<NemesisD> [1,2,3].map {|n| Thread.new { foo(n) }.value }, will calling value immediately there prevent them from running in parallel
<centrx> NemesisD, The documentation does say "waits for thread to complete", but I do not know myself
<NemesisD> or would i have to do [1,2,3].map {|n| Thread.new { foo(n)}.map(&:value)
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<NemesisD> i suppose i can test this with sleeps
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<NemesisD> yep. putting value in the first block call sequentializes it
<benzrf|afk> well, yes
<benzrf|afk> how else could it possibly work o-O
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<centrx> Don't mind him
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<benzrf> i would have the threads send the value back instead of the original one requesting it
<benzrf> that way the main thread needs take no special action, which would force sequentialization
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<NemesisD> benzrf: could you one-liner that. i don't see what you mean
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<benzrf> results = []
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<benzrf> [1, 2, 3].map {|n| Thread.new {results.push foo(n)}}
<benzrf> or just each actually
<NemesisD> would that work in MRI if foo does IO? i thought arrays in MRI were not threadsafe
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<nycjv321> Hi I am making a program to simulate user load and thought that using the natural logarithm of the number users multiple by some factor to sleep would be an adequate way of doing this. E.g. for i to 10 years sleep log(i) and create i years next. Does that sound right?
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<nycjv321> 10 users*
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<centrx> 10 years sounds like a long time...
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<nycjv321> sorry users* replace years with users
<centrx> nycjv321, Sure, that would work
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<centrx> nycjv321, I would suggest it might not be necessary to simulate "natural" user activity. Usually you can get by with x simultaneous users, all active at the same time
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<nycjv321> centrx: why not just curious?
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<centrx> nycjv321, Might just run the test faster
<centrx> nycjv321, If you really have a high user load, then you would expect x simultaneous users to be doing anything that you are delaying with the sleep
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<centrx> nycjv321, Sleeping may give you the false impression that you can handle more users than you can, because none of the users are "starting up" at the same time, it is always one user at a time starting up (perhaps)
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<nycjv321> centrx: ah good point.
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<h3xdump> anyone here?
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<benzrf> yea
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<h3xdump> i need json expert
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<benzrf> im ok @ json
<benzrf> well
<benzrf> inasmuch as you can be good at it
<benzrf> its just a notation
<centrx> { "json": true }
<h3xdump> is there any way to access json subobject using subkey that contains taht object ?
<benzrf> hm?
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<benzrf> can you explain better?
<benzrf> or give an example/
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<h3xdump> ok
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<h3xdump> i have large json feed contains objects as follow
<h3xdump> {"id"=>7, "buy_fee"=>0.2, "sell_fee"=>0.2, "last_price"=>310100, "currency_id"=>9, "market_id"=>28, "url_slug"=>"xpm_btc", "rate_min"=>301000, "rate_max"=>343980, "currency_volume"=>3982269061, "market_volume"=>12339588, "updated_at"=>"2014-01-25T00:03:36.815Z"}
<h3xdump> there is like 20 of them
<benzrf> that is just a hash
<benzrf> once you load json it is no longer a json deal
<h3xdump> i need easy way to get this objects by this key -> "url_slug"=>"xpm_btc"
<benzrf> you are working with hashes & arrays
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<benzrf> h3xdump: you could use detect
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<h3xdump> at the moment i do it by indexes but its a bit a pain
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<nycjv321> centrx: https://gist.github.com/nycjv321/3f2afb163fce12b152f3 how does this look for doing a logarithmic sleep?
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<centrx> nycjv321, Looks impressive
<nycjv321> centrx: really?
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<centrx> It is a good design
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<nycjv321> what does & mean in a method argument?
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<Nowaker> nycjv321: a block. normally you just "yield". sometimes you need a reference to the block so you can pass it somewhere else, etc.
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<nycjv321> ok so I've made a module (or I guess a mixin) and now I've mixed it into Integer but I can't seem to mix it into Enumerable. via include MySillyModule why is that?
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<gr33n7007h> nycjv321, because enumerable is a module not a class
<nycjv321> gr33n7007h: can you mix a module in a module?
<gr33n7007h> You can't include a module into a module no
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<gr33n7007h> That would be defeating the object
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<Lewix> nycjv321: However, you can mix a class in a module -)
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<I_Want_To_Learn_> What does self mean>
<I_Want_To_Learn_> What does self mean?
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<centrx> I_Want_To_Learn_, self is the self
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<centrx> I_Want_To_Learn_, Reference to the present class instance
<centrx> or sometimes class
<I_Want_To_Learn_> Example?
<centrx> I_Want_To_Learn_, second example in the intro at http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.0/Class.html
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<hobodave> hey guys
<hobodave> I'm spawning N threads to "race" each other to complete a task. How do I exit all threads once one returns with a success?
<bnagy> there are a few patterns
<bnagy> you can kill all the lusers
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<bnagy> or you can have all the workers periodically check a shared resource of some kind
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<bnagy> but fundamentally it sounds like bad design, unless it's for fun
<hobodave> bnagy for the former, would I just do something like threads.each { |t| t.join; exit } ?
<hobodave> this is for fun
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<bnagy> well you could, say, have a queue that gets the win. Once you get the win you just kill every thread in your worker array
<bnagy> no need to join because trying to read the win from the Queue will block
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<hobodave> I don't think I understand the concept or utility of a queue here
<bnagy> like (1..100).map {|i| Thread.new { #race; win_q.push "I AM THREAD #{i} AND I AM WINAR"}}
<bnagy> assign that array to threads, then winner = win_q.pop; threads.each {|t| t.kill}
<hobodave> ahhh
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<hobodave> pop blocks until there is an item?
<hobodave> cool
<hobodave> never used a Queue in Ruby
<bnagy> yeah
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<bnagy> I'm more used to seeing that kind of stuff in divide-and-conquer though instead of all threads covering the same work
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<reactormonk> I have a directed graph, what's a good algorithm to find all paths? starting in between or at the beginning.
<bnagy> this is a compsci question not a ruby question
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<bnagy> just google for the obvious stuff
<bnagy> recursion is an easy way, but you might blow up your stack is the graph is big
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<reactormonk> max. 4 levels deep
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<reactormonk> are there any ruby implemtations that I could go take off the shelf?
<abroco> Hello everyone.
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<abroco> I'm trying a hand at Ruby for the very first time. (I know I ought to read a book, and cover my bases, but I really just wanted to see if I could accomplish this task)
<abroco> And, I know how we all hate the idiot noob who wants to run before walking, but if someone could help me with what I'm doing wrong, I'd appreciate it.
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<centrx> reactormonk, If it is just a tree, you could use RubyTree
<abroco> The program is trying to take a combination of characters, (a through z, 0 through 9) and turn them into a permutative "handle", search Twitter if the handle is available, and report back, continually.
<abroco> I think I botched it somewhere along the lines though :)
<abroco> If someone would be so kind, it seems like I'm nearly there.
<centrx> abroco, Use Array#combination or Array#permutation :)
<abroco> What's wrong with the String#combination method?
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<centrx> abroco, What do you mean?
<centrx> abroco, I was just giving a flip answer. I assume because you are learning you want to implement it yourself
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<abroco> centrx: Yeah, but as it is, it isn't working. I get an error reflecting the `rescue`.
<abroco> centrx: It's not so much the shabbiness of the implementation (yet), but getting it right at all.
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<centrx> abroco, So you are getting an HTTPError? ("reflecting the rescue"?
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<abroco> centrx: Negative.
<abroco> centrx: syntax error, unexpected keyword_rescue, expecting keyword_end
<abroco> rescue OpenURI::HTTPError => ex
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<abroco> Oh, if that's what you meant, then yes.
<centrx> abroco, It looks like you have an extra end at the bottom of the combinations method, and an extra end at the bottom of the main function
<centrx> Though with the indentation it is hard to tell
<abroco> centrx: I'm sorry :(
<abroco> One moment. I'll try to patch it up.
<bnagy> begin; while ; rescue <- bad
<bnagy> also while 0 != 1 wtf?
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<bnagy> bro do u even loop do ?
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<nycjv321> dude I loop true
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<abroco> :\
<nycjv321> abroco: :P
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<centrx> abroco, As you can tell, there are a few stylisting changes to make it more Rubyfied, clear, and concise :)
<centrx> stylistic
<reactormonk> centrx, it's a graph.
<abroco> centrx: Yeah. I'll pick up a book once this is right. I'd imagine getting from zero to where I'm able to competently write programs of this level takes a couple of weeks.
<centrx> reactormonk, A tree is a graph :)
<abroco> centrx: Sorry, I can't seem to find what's wrong.
* abroco mumbles.
<bnagy> well the syntax error is from the stray 'while'
<centrx> abroco, It looks like open expects a block, that's one thing
<bnagy> abroco: remove the combination stuff, get it working with a single handle that you know to exist
<bnagy> then add the rest back
<bnagy> cause it's broken in like four places afaict
<bnagy> also that combinations method on String is pretty bad style
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<abroco> Heh. I should probably learn Ruby before venturing out into the wild.
<bnagy> like a) monkey patching core classes at all and b) the actual content of it
<bnagy> just use the built-in one on Array
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<bnagy> >> 'abcd'.split('').permutation.to_a.map(&:join)
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<bnagy> pff bot dead. Again.
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<abroco> Yeah, I should learn Ruby first.
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<abroco> bnagy: You can't imagine how stupid I feel knowing nothing trying to enact this. It's a travesty really.
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<abroco> I'll work my way toward it, it seems simple enough.
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<centrx> abroco, But yeah to give you a taste of how awesome Ruby is, you can rewrite this whole thing (except the error handling) as: string.chars.permutation.map { |perm| open("https://twitter.com/#{comb}") }
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<abroco> bnagy: Oh, and with your permutation sequence it only caters for same-sized-character maps.
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<abroco> bnagy: Given a "set" of characters, "abcde", I want "a", "ab", abc", "abcd", "abcde", "b", "ba", "bac", "bacd", "bacde", "c" ... "edcba"
<centrx> s/awesome/expressive
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<abroco> centrx: I know it's cool!
<abroco> centrx: But I don't know what that does, or how to even apply it to my codeset.
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<centrx> bummer
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<abroco> Thanks a lot you two. Going off to find a drawing board.
<abroco> Would be interesting to see how you'd do it, but I suppose that's cheating.
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<reactormonk> centrx, a tree is a subset.
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<centrx> Yes
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<centrx> The only graph library I found for Ruby is five years old
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<centrx> but it should be straightforward to implement a directed graph traversal
<reactormonk> RGL?
<centrx> Yes
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<centrx> "graphr", also fairly old and unmaintained
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<centrx> reactormonk, The standard algorithm is just traversing each link from each node, and marking where you have been before
<reactormonk> centrx, I think I don't have to mark if I just go full recursive
<bnagy> correct
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<centrx> reactormonk, If there are cycles you have to block the cycles somehow
<reactormonk> centrx, I'm sure there are no cycles
<bnagy> I assumed it was a DAG
<bnagy> otherwise 'all paths' is.. not well defined
<centrx> Okay then it is probably just one short line of ruby code :)
<reactormonk> well, I have multiple edges per vertice :-/
<bnagy> yeah it's really only interesting for huge graphs
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<bnagy> it should still be like paths << exits.map {|e| traverse(e)} or something
<centrx> there you go, Ruby wins again
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<bnagy> there's probably some flattening to do at some point
<bnagy> there usually is
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<reactormonk> nice way to index an array into a hash?
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<Ryan_420> Hello everyone
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<reactormonk> how do I create all combinations of true and false of array size X?
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<reactormonk> product seems to the way to go
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<reactormonk> but that only works for two elements... reduce it is.
<reactormonk> .product([true, false]).map {|x| x.flatten(1)}
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<reactormonk> ^ apply that X times
<reactormonk> not sure if that's the good solution
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<kashyap_> Heya, any hints on this failure - http://fpaste.org/71522/ ?
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<kashyap_> However, I do have bundler yajl-ruby gems installed.
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<kashyap_> AndyWojo, some version info:
<kashyap_> $ gem --version; bundle --version
<kashyap_> 2.0.10
<kashyap_> Bundler version 1.5.2
<kashyap_> (Oops, didn't mean to prompt him. Meant to write 'And')
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<s2013> uh.. anyway to parse pdf/doc files using ruby?
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<tdubya> google is your friend, friend.
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<s2013> i saw the pdf one
<s2013> how about doc
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<reactormonk> how do I include the constant namespace of a module in a block?
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<tdubya> s2013 no idea about the doc
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<reactormonk> was it __FILE__ == __MAIN__ or something similar?
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<apeiros> reactormonk: Module.nesting ?
<apeiros> the other thing is $0 == __FILE__, but that's about testing whether the current file is the script being run
<godd2> Funny I was just reading about that in teh Pickaxe Book "The constant __FILE__ and the variable $0 are often used together to run code only if it appears in the file run directly by the user."
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<reactormonk> apeiros, found it
<reactormonk> godd2, I added the line binding.pry if __FILE__ == $0
<reactormonk> ... to my test/setup.rb
<reactormonk> useful.
<kashyap_> Hien, just re-posting, in-case people joined later: Any hints on resolving this - http://fpaste.org/71522/
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<kashyap_> (Argh, meant to say Hi, damn auto completion)
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<reactormonk> uuuuuh
<reactormonk> somehow the code I'm running is too slow :-(
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<reactormonk> well, I'm generating 1352 paths here.
<reactormonk> now if I want to do that with some more stuff.... I think I'll go find a faster language
<reactormonk> rewrite the stuff sucks :-(
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> rewrites always suck
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<kewjo> /leave
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<shevy> who or what populates http://rubydoc.info ?
<shevy> there is an annoying bug, no idea who is responsible for that site
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<popl> shevy: Loren Segal and Nick Plante.
<popl> shevy: It says as much when you click the "about" link.
<shevy> wat
<shevy> oh I see
<popl> There's a link to that repo
<shevy> that site layout confuses the hell outta me, thanks popl
<popl> With a list of contributors
<popl> Dude, the about link is right there.
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<popl> I don't want to hear your excuses. ;P
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<popl> I think you smoke a little too much something or another.
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<shevy> popl I was not looking at the right upper side
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<shevy> like that link "Learn about Yard"
<shevy> I put it into the "useless area" of my brain
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<popl> pretty expansive area, eh?
<popl> :P
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<shevy> no, I focus only on what is relevant on a website in an instant
<shevy> the rest is useless :)
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<popl> ah
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<shevy> like on rubygems.org the lower area
<shevy> I never finished reading what is all available
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<shevy> Mobile Status Uptime Code Discuss Stats About
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<lxsameer> how can i load rake task from a gem in my current Rakefile ?
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<pontiki> if you run rspec, cucumber or a million other gems with rake takss, you already are
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<pontiki> all you need to do is require the rake task file
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<lxsameer> pontiki: there is lot's of rake files, i tried to use Dir.glob but it did not works. let me show some code
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<lxsameer> pontiki: http://dpaste.com/1568698/
<lxsameer> pontiki: the Dir block never runs
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<pontiki> what is the content of spec.gem_dir?
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<shredding> I have a capistrano task that does remote work on a server that is secured via port knocking.
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<shredding> Therefore I want to have a parallel thread or process or I-am-not-yet-sure that does a constant knock in a loop to keep the connection alive.
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<bobdobbs> I have vagrant installed via ubuntu's package manager, and ruby 1.9.3 installed via rbenv. When I try '/usr/bin/vagrant --version', I get this: http://hastebin.com/fuvetacuse.vbs
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<shredding> Is that a good idea to make that in a thread? If yes, how could i stop the forever-knock thead?
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<shredding> bobdobbs: What does custom_require.rb say?
<bobdobbs> what is custom_require?
<MrZYX> shredding: out of your specific domain answer: don't stop a thread externally, check a flag in the thread whether it should quit and set that externally
<shredding> MrZYX: How would one do that?
<shredding> bobdobbs: I don't know but it's where the error occurs in your error message.
<shredding> MrZYX: More specific how can i set a (boolean?) flag in a thread externally?
<MrZYX> externally = from another thread
<bobdobbs> shredding: found it. having a look through it now
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<MrZYX> class MyThread < Thread; attr_accessor :quit; def run; until quit; stuff; end; end; t = MyThread.new; t.quit = true
<shredding> MrZYX: Awesome, thanks.
<MrZYX> (more pseudo code, but you get the idea)
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<bobdobbs> shredding: error comes from line 36. looks like a path issue
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<shredding> bobdobbs: Hm.
<shredding> It works on my mac
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<bobdobbs> shredding: Hm
<MrZYX> bobdobbs: .rbenv and your system ruby (what you installed vagrant for) have distinct $GEM_HOME's/$GEM_PATH. compare gem env in both environments
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<bobdobbs> echo $GEM_PATH and echo $GEM_HOME from the command line return nothing
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<shredding> bobdobbs: Have you asked at #vagrant?
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<bobdobbs> oh, there's a vagrant channel? cool.
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<MrZYX> bobdobbs: `gem env`, it's a command you can run
<bobdobbs> if I cant nail the problem in the next 20 minutes, I'm gonna go get some sleep. I'll hit up #vagrant tomorrow
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<shredding> bobdobbs: Setting up vagrant is the easy part though, puppet is the real pain.
<bobdobbs> oh gawd. don't tell me that
<bobdobbs> woudja believe it, this is all for working on a wordpress site
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<bobdobbs> client "I need you to do HTML to Wordpress conversion. For this, I want you to install vagrant, ruby 1.9.3, node, composer"
<bobdobbs> me: "sure!"
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<LadyRainicorn> Why does Wordpress require those things?
<bobdobbs> It doesn't really. But this guys knows his stuff. I get the impression that his stack speeds up deployment.
<bobdobbs> either that, or he's just trying to be clever. And I'm going to get it all working just to prove that I'm clever.
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<MrZYX> bobdobbs: to be clever in ruby means to not mix and mash a ruby version manager and installing gems via your package manager ;)
<bobdobbs> MrZYX: No choice. Vagrant isn't available as a gem.
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<bobdobbs> older version?
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<LadyRainicorn> Clever in ruby usually means knowing when something is unnecessary.
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<bobdobbs> yeah, I think that might be a version older then the one I have to install
<LadyRainicorn> Also you can checkout from git and just use gem.
<LadyRainicorn> (or Bundler pre-2.1)
<MrZYX> anyway, don't mixing stands. Use your system ruby then
<bobdobbs> there's things I can't do with the ruby in the ubuntu repos.
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<bobdobbs> I honestly can't remember what those things are though.
<bobdobbs> probably something to do with sas
<bobdobbs> sass
<bobdobbs> LadyRainicorn: I'm using rbenv
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<bobdobbs> I know, I know, I've got a mess on my hands
<LadyRainicorn> Ah. RVM is probably easier for what you seem to want.
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<LadyRainicorn> Though what you want seems weird and since you can't explain why, I get the feelinf you've jusr got a customer who is throwing around buzzwords
<MrZYX> bobdobbs: start vagrant with your system ruby, use sass with your rbenv ruby, no problem there
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<bobdobbs> LadyRainicorn: maybe. but I get the sense that he knows what he's doing. I'll certainly find out if he doesn't though.
<LadyRainicorn> Why didn't you ask what it was for?
<bobdobbs> MrZYX: I've ripped out my system ruby to avoid conflicts.
<bobdobbs> oh, maybe that's the problem
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<bobdobbs> LadyRainicorn: good question. I can't remember.
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<bobdobbs> maybe because he's the guy with the cash.
<bobdobbs> actually, I might just talk with about this.
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<LadyRainicorn> You probably should before spending s lot of time on it.
<LadyRainicorn> It seems like an awful lot of trouble for a WP site.
<bobdobbs> yeah
<LadyRainicorn> Especially since everything you're trying to do seems totally unrelated.
<bobdobbs> I might just say something like this: setting this up on my system is a lot of work and will create chaos across my working environments. If we have to use vagrant then maybe I can't work with you on this project
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<bobdobbs> LadyRainicorn: now that you mention it, something else comes to mind.
<LadyRainicorn> Or you can just admit that you have no clue why you would be using Vagrant.
<LadyRainicorn> Becayse no sane person would know that.
<bobdobbs> yeah.
<bobdobbs> reading that actually made me laugh out loud
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<bobdobbs> I mean, now that I think about it... this is not a job for vagrant.
<bobdobbs> any half-assed host can handle wordpress
<LadyRainicorn> Yep. Or Ruby, or Node.
<bobdobbs> hahahaha
<bobdobbs> yeah
<LadyRainicorn> None of the techologies he wants are required in any way.
<bobdobbs> wytf do I need node for this?
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<LadyRainicorn> You don't. at all.
<bobdobbs> maaaaaaaaaybe there's more to it...
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<bobdobbs> actually, I don't think there is
<bobdobbs> this might be one of those situations when some guy who is really clever just uses too much clever.
<LadyRainicorn> unclear expectations = sad coder
<bobdobbs> I'll be happy if I manage to get the stack up.
<LadyRainicorn> I think your definition of clever is flawed.
<LadyRainicorn> Protip: Just set up WP and tell him you did the rest.
<bobdobbs> well, I'm kind of thinking of myself. Sometimes I apply too much clever instead of just cutting the gordian know
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<LadyRainicorn> That's the opposite of clever.
<LadyRainicorn> Anticlever
<LadyRainicorn> CLEAVER
<bobdobbs> heh
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* bobdobbs passes LadyRainicorn cleaver
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<bobdobbs> aw hell. I'm skyping with him tomo. I'll tell him where I've gotten. If he can't help me get it running, then... I dunno. I'll just tell him I can't risk messing with my system too much.
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<bobdobbs> I've got other project to work on, and I have to keep things relatively hygenic.
<bobdobbs> that means NOT mixing ruby versions
<shevy> long live ruby 1.8.7!
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<bobdobbs> quote:
<bobdobbs> This is our highly-opinionated framework for developing and deploying new WordPress websites
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<bobdobbs> It uses Puppet, Capistrano, Vagrant, and a number of other technologies for front-end scaffolding
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<shevy> isn't WordPress php
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<Bridge|> Morning All ;)
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<shevy> anyone knows if it is possible to show the content of a .rtf file or a .doc file in a ruby .cgi page? or perhaps with rails?
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<tongcx> hi guys, i'm learning ruby web development, had some experience with nodejs and django before. But I am still confused with some concepts. So what's the relationship between "thin", "rack" and "sinatra"?
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<waxjar> thin is a web server, rack is a platform to build http applications on and sinatra is a DSL that makes working with rack move convenient
<waxjar> *more
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<tongcx> waxjar: so when a request coming in, thin will process it, parse it and manage the processes, then pass it to rack?
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<waxjar> yes
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<tongcx> waxjar: why pass it to rack instead of sinatra?
<apeiros> tongcx: did you use a database independence layer in e.g. django?
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<apeiros> you know, some library which allows you to change the database your app uses without changing the code
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<tongcx> apeiros: no, mine don't
<apeiros> :-/
<apeiros> too bad. rack is the same concept.
<apeiros> it abstracts the webserver. it provides the same API no matter which webserver you use.
<waxjar> tongcx: it provides a common interface between a "rack app" (basically an object that responds to #call) and a web server
<tongcx> very nice!
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<havenwood> tongcx: (Rails Sinatra Camping Scorched NY) <--frameworks Rack servers --> (Unicorn Thin Puma Passenger Webrick Reel-Rack)
<tongcx> does middleware lay in rack? or rack app?
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<apeiros> between rack and the app
<apeiros> hence "middle"
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<apeiros> request -> webserver -> rack -> middleware -> app => response -> middleware -> rack -> webserver
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<tongcx> apeiros: very clear! does "sinatra" lay in "app"?
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<apeiros> sinatra is the app
<tongcx> app basically receives parsed request and then produce response?
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<apeiros> correct
<apeiros> middleware can too
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<tongcx> I can have several apps, right? They use the same sinatra to route the traffic?
<apeiros> i.e., middleware can "refuse" to pass on to app and return immdiately
<apeiros> you can use a router middleware to route a request to one of many apps yes.
<apeiros> sorry, got to go. cya and have fun coding ruby ;-)
<tongcx> apeiros: thanks!!!
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<tongcx> hi guys, sinatra is a dsl, but why people call it a framework? actually, what's a framework? is it the last layer in rack?
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<havenwood> tongcx: framework/dsl isn't a distinction that matters particularly
<Morrolan> Sinatra provides an environment where you, the developer, fill in some spots. Hence a framework.
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<havenwood> tongcx: You can write a pure Rack app, many folks do. Sinatra makes it more pleasant with a nice DSL. Rack is a monolithic beast of a framework.
<Morrolan> It using a DSL just makes it look more natural than if you had to write classes for each route.
<havenwood> Rails**
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<havenwood> tongcx: For example, Github has a handful of Rails, Sinatra and Rack apps.
<tongcx> i c. Can I view sinatra as just one layer in rack?
<havenwood> Not in Rack, on top of Rack.
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<tongcx> so rack pass things to sinatra, right?
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<havenwood> tongcx: Look, here is almost-sinatra: https://github.com/rkh/almost-sinatra/blob/master/almost_sinatra.rb
<tongcx> But if i have several apps share one dsl, then seems to me this dsl is like the top layer in rack
<havenwood> tongcx: Those 6 lines of code do almost what Sinatra does, it is just some nice stuff on Rack.
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<havenwood> tongcx: And here is almost-rack, it does almost what Rack does in 4 lines: https://github.com/rkh/almost-rack/blob/meister/almost-rackup
<shevy> why do you say 6 lines havenwood
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<shevy> IS IT NOT MORE LIKE ONE LINE!!!
<shevy> :D
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<havenwood> shevy: one lines with 5 ";"s
<havenwood> shevy: :O
<havenwood> tongcx: There are niceties like middlewear in Rack, and niceties like conventions for where to put stuff in Sinatra, but at the basics very simple.
<shevy> h=$u._jisx0301("hash, please")
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<havenwood> tongcx: Sinatra or Scorched aim to give just a little on top of Rack to make it sweeter to use. Rails makes many, many choices and comes with the kitchen sink.
<tongcx> havenwood: cool, thanks
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<havenwood> tongcx: with the ten lines from almost Rack and almost Sinatra you could use Webrick (the Rack web server that ships with Ruby) to serve up your app. (Don't of course ;O)
<waxjar> there is a talk that explains all the weirdness in almost-sinatra. its pretty nice
<havenwood> tongcx: Real Sinatra is only 1,000 lines of code.
<tongcx> havenwood: thanks, man, I am clear now
<havenwood> waxjar: i'd like to see that
<havenwood> tongcx: no prob
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<waxjar> havenwood: http://rkh.im/almost-sinatra
<tongcx> ah, another question, if i use unicorn, then do I have multiple copies of rack running?
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<havenwood> tongcx: You typically configure Unicorn to run each app on its own socket or port.
<havenwood> tongcx: Then use Nginx or Apache to point routes at those sockets/ports as a reverse proxy.
<havenwood> Usually a port in dev, often a socket in production.
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<havenwood> tongcx: Maybe think of Rack as just a translation layer.
<havenwood> tongcx: Try playing around with a single file Sinatra app served up on default port with Unicorn.
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<tongcx> havenwood: thanks!
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<havenwood> waxjar: thx!
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<zleslie> If I have class Foo::Bar, can I also have module Foo::Bar::Thing? Is this bad form at all?
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<banister> zleslie you can have it, whether it's bad form depends on what you're doing
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<pragmatism> I'm using 1.8.7. Why is this test assertion failing? Has my variable been lost in the block context? https://gist.github.com/dankozlowski/fae395790ce32ffd8f77
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<pontiki> just stop, please
<pragmatism> ?
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<pragmatism> Typo in gist, updated
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<Hanmac> pragmatism: he means stop using 1.8.7
<pontiki> (still a girl)
<pragmatism> no choice
<banister> pragmatism it's because you're using {} instead of do/end
<pragmatism> Really?
<banister> pragmatism alternatively put () around the method invocation
<pragmatism> How does that change scope?
<pragmatism> word
<banister> pragmatism yes, the {} will bind go ex
<banister> to*
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<banister> pragmatism it's a precedence issue, not a scope issue
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<banister> pragmatism do this: assert_raise(ex) { ExceptionHandling::ensure_safe("mooo") { raise ex } }
<pragmatism> wordah, got it
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<pragmatism> thanks banister
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<shevy> hey, 1.8.7 was the best ruby version ever
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<shevy> Hanmac will rxw work on 1.8.x? :>
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<Hanmac> shevy: when hell freeze over! Or USA is true democratic ... depend what happends first
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<benzrf> mmm i need ideas
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<shevy> for a gem?
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<benzrf> sure
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> just write something that solves what you really needed to have
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<benzrf> o:
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<shevy> benzrf aim big man
<shevy> you just jump from language to language!
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<benzrf> everything obviously useful si already made though
<benzrf> *is
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<benzrf> and im not creative enough to come up with something nobody else thought of
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<jtoy> ?
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<shevy> benzrf a lot of the software out there stinks
<shevy> the other half was abandoned
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<shevy> perl's cpan still has more than twice as many projects as has rubygems
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<shevy> especially if you remove all those fake gems
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<shevy> benzrf you could learn C and then help me write RubyOS
<benzrf> mehlah:
<benzrf> *meh
<benzrf> loonix is good enough for me
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<shevy> that's the problem!
<shevy> - low ambitions
<shevy> - no meaningful goals
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<shevy> go learn from linus when he was young!
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<shevy> start with "This is benzrf, I will create foobar, nothing big, just a hobby"
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<DaniG2k> whats the advantage of using a struct as opposed to making a new class?
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<benzrf> DaniG2k: it writes the boilerplate for ya
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<DaniG2k> benzrf: ah the attr_accessor stuff
<DaniG2k> right right
<DaniG2k> good times
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<benzrf> also init
<benzrf> DaniG2k: if you dont want the init from struct, then yes it is probably faster to just do an attr_accessor line
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<benzrf> otherwise it is p nice
<benzrf> DaniG2k: o wait i thought you were asking about extending structs
<benzrf> my bad
<DaniG2k> benzrf: initialize? isnt that the same as attr_accessor? attr_accessor creates a setter and getter, isn't that the same thing?
<DaniG2k> init = setter
<DaniG2k> no?
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<benzrf> o
<benzrf> uh
<benzrf> no, initialize is the constructor
<shevy> DaniG2k attr_accessor makes a setter and getter for the given argument
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<idiocrash> HI GUISE
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<idiocrash> Say, I'm on Mavericks and trying to install https://github.com/ssoper/summarize
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<idiocrash> 'gem install summarize'
<idiocrash> ...with sudo
<idiocrash> gives me this:
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<idiocrash> any ideas?
<benzrf> idiocrash: well, obviously you are missing a lib
<benzrf> so... install it?
<centrx> dictionary.c:28:10: fatal error: 'libxml/xmlmemory.h' file not found
<idiocrash> I have libxml
<idiocrash> ruby gem
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<idiocrash> do I need libxml C installed?
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<centrx> idiocrash, Yes, and you need the header files for it as well
<centrx> idiocrash, The libxml gem just connects to libxml
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<idiocrash> hrm...
<idiocrash> macports?
<benzrf> how about homebrew
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<idiocrash> would either work?
<idiocrash> I already have macports
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<idiocrash> ah, macports seems to work fine
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<idiocrash> now I'll be dickin around with the readability and summarize gems!
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<idiocrash> fixed, guise. Thank you!
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<idiocrash> btw, I've always used MacPorts for my needs. But, I've been ignorant of homebrew. What's the diff?
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<benzrf> idk
<benzrf> i just see people using it
<benzrf> o-o
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<farkerhaiku> howdy. I'm trying to do the Global Game Jam and I've got a twitter component using chatterbot, but it's not working for me out of the box. kernel_require.rb:55:in `require': cannot load such file -- chatterbot (LoadError). I'm afraid I'm not sure what I need to do to get it up and running and was wondering if someone could help
<farkerhaiku> I'm using ruby 1.9.3 via rvm (and .rvmrc)
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<Lewix> farkerhaiku: Did you gem install chatterbot
<farkerhaiku> that's probably it, one sec
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<farkerhaiku> Lewix, awesome, thanks so much
<Lewix> farkerhaiku: anytime
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<altin> can anyone tell me why I can't install mysql2
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<shevy> altin, depends on your system. lmysqlclient... no
<shevy> I guess you have no libmysqlclient.so file right
<MrZYX> and probably also miss the headers
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<rmroulette> if I'm trying to handle integers when converting stuff to_sym, is it better to wrap it in a rescue block or just run to_s on everything before I convert it?
<MrZYX> so let's cite the message: "Could not create Makefile due to some reason, probably lack ofnecessary libraries and/or headers."
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<shevy> benzrf, I think I found a solution with vim
<shevy> benzrf I will simply use only the bare minimum of vim
<centrx> rmroulette, What is wrong with to_sym ?
<MrZYX> rmroulette: why do you want to to_sym integers?
<rmroulette> centrx: it fails on integers
<rmroulette> MrZYX: does it matter?
<centrx> What exactly are you trying to do
<benzrf> ew
<MrZYX> rmroulette: kinda
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<rmroulette> make a hash with unique elements from an array as keys and the times they repeat as values
<rmroulette> number of times*
<centrx> Integers can be keys
<MrZYX> anything can be a key
<shevy> your mom can be a key
<pontiki> ...
<MrZYX> exactly
<shevy> pontiki wat! :(
<rmroulette> I am aware, I just thought that it was best practice to use symbols everywhere possible
<pontiki> she can't, shevy
<apeiros> rmroulette: I'd ask myself why you happen to even have once integers once strings
<pontiki> only objects within the ruby system
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<apeiros> rmroulette: sounds like you are trying to solve the symptom, not the cause
<shevy> pontiki I watched the original Tron movie!!!
<MrZYX> rmroulette: no, it's best pratice to use symbols when you need identifiers
<MrZYX> identifiers for you, not so much for ruby that is
<shevy> jeff bridges was turned into a computer object with laser!
<pontiki> rmroulette: when you are explicity constructing a hash, it is a best practice. but when you're constructing a hash from data, it's not
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<Hanmac1> shevy the orginal Tron movie was fun ... i liked the "Bit" thing ;P
<rmroulette> alright, cool. thanks for fixing my problem by fixing me :)
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<MrZYX> rmroulette: I guess you understand now why it matters ;)
<apeiros> fixing a roulette would be cheating
<pontiki> better to acquire knowledge and skill than patching a single problem
<shevy> Hanmac yea
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<pontiki> this is the reasoning people use for video game violence making people physically violent
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<apeiros> pontiki: you mean making up random shit?
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<pontiki> no, but yes
<apeiros> well, not random. shit which fits ones beliefsystem
<apeiros> system of belief?
<pontiki> that was the "but yes" part :>
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<apeiros> I love how I got better at aiming my military rifle by playing FPS shooters with my mouse
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<apeiros> it also helped a lot with learning how to breathe in order to get a perfect hit
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<altin> shevy MrZYX I'm trying to install OpenProject
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<altin> fixed the gems but when I run the script now I get other ruby errors: http://pastebin.com/WJniqJUg
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<Morrolan> Syntax error? Suggest you install the recommended version of Ruby.
<MrZYX> I think his database.yml isn't valid YAML (since I smell rails in there)
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> MrZYX you begin to sound like Hanmac
<MrZYX> shevy: you frighten me :(
* Hanmac did you play the first SoulReaver game?
<shevy> Hanmac do you like rails?
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<Morrolan> The error message does sound like something produced by a YAML parser, yea.
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<Hanmac> shevy imo Rails is like a nuclear weapon ... to big to be used ;P
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<altin> I have ruby 1.9 installed in my server
<shevy> see MrZYX? :D
<altin> seems like OpenProject is requiring 1.8.7
<shevy> wow altin
<MrZYX> altin: you're not listening
<shevy> that must be an OLD project
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<rmroulette> to those who helped me with the symbol thing: :%s/\v:(\w+)/'/1'/gc
<MrZYX> altin: syntax error. in _your_ database.yml
<shevy> rmroulette ack! a regex?
<MrZYX> is that valid ruby?
<shevy> in 3.0 it is!
<shevy> ruby 3.0 will run perl 7
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<rmroulette> no its vim for 'replace symbols with strings in file'
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<shevy> a vimster brother :)
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<MrZYX> uhm, that's not what meant, necessarily
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<altin> ok my password was right after the : with no space between XD MrZYX
<rmroulette> MrZYX: I know, but I'm talking about fixing my spec file
<rmroulette> MrZYX: so it was adequate for now until I write more tests for what I was talking about
<MrZYX> yeah, well, we can't magically see your screen and know that ;)
<rmroulette> yeah sorry, I don't use emacs so I can't do that
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<shevy> I CAN MAGICALLY SEE YOUR SCREEN!
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<shevy> AND I SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING rmroulette!
<shevy> STOP THAT!!!
<MrZYX> shevy: I knew you're working for the NSA all the itme
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<rmroulette> shevy: NO! UR NOT MY DAD!
<shevy> hey, the NSA is not nice people, I can't work for them
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<rmroulette> def a fed fur sure shevy
<Hanmac> there exist not enough money so that i would work for the NSA ... ;P
<rmroulette> you say that, but...
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<rmroulette> if someone offered me like 7 fig a year to work for them you could probably buy a lot of vaccines and malaria nets with that :\
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<Morrolan> Seven fig?
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<Morrolan> Urbandictionary offers plenty of definitions, none of which make sense. :P
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<rmroulette> a million +
<Morrolan> Ah.
<rmroulette> which to be clear, would never happen for multiple reasons, but theoretically
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<Hanmac> rmroulette: with enough money i would try to water the sahara and to "terraform" it into a green area ;P
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<MrZYX> which probably would result into a negative effect on the environment in one way or another...
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<rmroulette> Hanmac: the only way to put the mass surveilance genie back in the bottle in my opinion is to lower the bar on counter survielance tools while highering the bar on techinical literacy/ability
<apeiros> MrZYX: more likely than "in one way or another" is "in multiple ways"
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<rmroulette> Hanmac: I guess that really had nothing to do with what your saying
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<MrZYX> production isn't the problem anyway
<atmosx> rmroulette: no, I disagree, you have to make it illegal.
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<MrZYX> in the mid-term at least
<rmroulette> making it illegal doesn't work if your taking about the people who decide/enforce what is/in not legal
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<atmosx> rmroulette: that's who things work in a democracy, you have to make unwarranted surveillance illegal, which basically means that if something goes *wrong* Keith Alexander (or whoever is in charge) pays, either by being dismissed or more. If everyone pushes hard enough it will pass, the congressmen don't give a sh*t about anything more than votes.
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<atmosx> rmroulette: fighting this on technical grounds can buy you time, but it's a dead-end.
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<atmosx> rmroulette: the fact that we're having this discussion and congress is also starting to having this discussion, the NYTimes are posting one article after another saying straight out that suveillance without any warrants must end, is a huge step towards the right (privacy-aware) direction considering how these thing operate.
<atmosx> these things*
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<atmosx> rmroulette: http://socialmediacollective.org/2012/04/01/why-data-havens-dont-work/ this reading is very interesting on the subject.
<shevy> Hanmac the easiest way for terraforming is to make use of plants and trees against desertification
<atmosx> btw anyone saw that new amazon tv series called "beta" ...
<shevy> (on planet earth)
<shevy> not me, I rarely watch TV
<rmroulette> atmosx: I have the reverse opinion. I think that outlawing it is only buying you time, whereas fighting it with tech and making it as ineffective as possible is the way to go. Why trust them not to use it behind closed doors when you they aren't trustworthy to begin with?
<atmosx> shevy: I dont, I watch everything on the laptop
<atmosx> lol
<shevy> atmosx how do you have time watching TV when you have upcoming exams anyway ;)
<Hanmac> shevy thats what i meant ... plant many of them and water them until they are can supliy themself
<rmroulette> atmosx: I'll read that in a sec
<shevy> aaah I see
<shevy> Hanmac ah ok I thought you would just ship over a huge ice block and put it into the desert
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<atmosx> shevy: I don't study anymore, I gave up.. just wanna go home. I'll have the exam on Thursday but I don't care for hte result.
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<Hanmac> shevy thats another idea ... but without plats it would not work that way ;P
<Hanmac> plants
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<shevy> atmosx hehehe
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<shevy> atmosx sounds as if you are fatigued!
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<atmosx> rmroulette: because the key is to make them accountable.Once you get that, then proving that they are over-stepping your privacy is enough to toast them. Otherwise, you are just using technology.. But they are better with technology becuase they have access to the raw data (cables) and can get OpenSSL master keys and so forth.
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<atmosx> rmroulette: how exactly are you going to fight with that. Even if you have the skills (and will) to accept a life on the (digital) run and using a very specific policy to avoid online tracking and cross-checking, most people won't be able to do that. Then you'll be a minority and then an even easier target (like TOR users)
<atmosx> shevy: yeah, I'm doing here
<rmroulette> atmosx: Its not about being on the run or breaking the law, its about building secure alternatives that are good enough to be a real option to people who don't care about this sort of thing
<atmosx> shevy: ree s/doing/diying
<rmroulette> basically shifting the majority to a higher standard of evasion
<atmosx> dying idem
<shevy> atmosx but it's the last exam!
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<shevy> afterwards there is no more exam!
<atmosx> rmroulette: you mean teach everyone how to use technologies like tor?
<atmosx> shevy: yeah but I can do it later
<shevy> ah I see
<rmroulette> atmosx: no, like make tor either built in or trivially easy to use
<atmosx> shevy: I've lost 10 days here, struggling all alone... blah wasn't worth it
<atmosx> shevy: it's a 2nd seemester exam
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<atmosx> rmroulette: and what that will buy you, when you login to facebook?
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<Hanmac> atmosx: the best way against the global suveillance would be something i have seen in a cartoon ... (they called it "electric haircut") ... the best way against the hoarding of data would be a Virus/Trojaner that infect all secret agencies worldwide and publish all hidden data at the exact same time into the public ;P
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<atmosx> rmroulette: if the *enemy* is the NSA or any agency of the same statue, what exactly do you gain by using tor to tweet, facebook, write SO psts... and generally interact with others online?
* Hanmac is hearing currently: "Let it Go!" for some reason it fits ;P
<atmosx> Hanmac: hahaha the *public* can not handle such vast amounts of raw data. And why would you care anyway? :-)
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<rmroulette> atmosx: not just tor I mean. Either make secure alternatives to social networks or pressure existing ones into securing themselves by design
<atmosx> rmroulette: they can't.
<rmroulette> atmosx: elaborate
<Hanmac> atmosx: maybe i would like to see that chaos ;P ... i still have un-made popcorn available for that case ;P
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<atmosx> rmroulette: Say you're a US company and NSA subpoena you, then for National Security reasons needs access to all your raw data: You have 2 choices either you close the business (by stating that you have the NSA at yur door) or you stay silent and cooperate (having some additional gain from this... if any).
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<sweeper> I wonder if #ruby-lang gets this political. seems to happen al the time here
<rmroulette> then don't open your company in the US. I hate to say that as a US citizen, but its true.
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<atmosx> rmroulette: Now let's say that you are a company overseas and you need USA clients. You setup a server in the USA, the NSA wants access so either goes to Verisign and gets a copy of the master key and sees everything plain text or goes to the physical location and reads everything in raw format...
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<sweeper> can't have much fun with us-based companies anywhays
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<sweeper> no gambling, pyramid scams, etc
<atmosx> They have COPIES of the MASTER SSL KEYS
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<atmosx> they are diverting DNS server-requests on THE FLY
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<sweeper> master ssl keys?
<atmosx> yes
<sweeper> you do know how ssl works, right?
<sweeper> cause it seems you don't
<rmroulette> wow, was not aware of those last two 0.0
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<sweeper> lol
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<sweeper> come on dude
<sweeper> there's no master key
<atmosx> really?
<sweeper> yea
<atmosx> You mean when it's self-signed?
<sweeper> no, all the time
<sweeper> singing just proves it's a VALID key
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<sweeper> *signing
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<sweeper> but the private key never leaves your server, and is generated by YOU
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<atmosx> Awesome, then if I redirect the connectiong using a valid... key what do I get?
<atmosx> No one needs YOUR private key
<sweeper> right so they can sign the key and MITM you
<sweeper> but they can't magically decrypt your ssl traffic
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<rmroulette> so what your saying is, even if the nsa had twitters ssl keys, they couldn't decrypt your twitter traffic?
<atmosx> sweeper: Why not, they can.
<rmroulette> just trying to see if I understand this correctly
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<sweeper> if they have twitter's SSL private keys, then yes, they could decrypt it
<atmosx> sweeper: and how does the browser know a priori what's twitter's SSL cert?
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<sweeper> it doesn't, thus they can MITM
<burlyscudd> atmosx: CAs
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<burlyscudd> :-(
<atmosx> burlyscudd: there you go.
<sweeper> thus the problem wih SSL's chain of trust mechanism
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<atmosx> sweeper: yes, sure. Discussed many times on HN, that you can't ultimately trust CAs. Not because they are evil ,but because they can fail.
<burlyscudd> watch moxie's talk at BlackHat two years ago ^^
<burlyscudd> fascinating if you want to understand why SSL certs are truly fuct
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<burlyscudd> he proposes a system called Convergence
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<burlyscudd> which uses reputation trust
<sweeper> eh
<atmosx> burlyscudd: I've seen a couple of speeches by MOXIE MARLINSPIKE, he is awesome.
<sweeper> the problem is an uneducated populous
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<burlyscudd> I think this was when he was security dude for Twitter
<burlyscudd> sweeper: no
<burlyscudd> the problem is fundamental flaws in the architecture of SSL
<sweeper> well YEA
<atmosx> sweeper: Agreed, but I'd rather a politically aware populace then a technoligically aware popullace :-)
<burlyscudd> we have had techniques for awhile, I agree (if that's what you're saying) that we should be using
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<burlyscudd> and maybe that's what you mean by uneducated
<burlyscudd> pefect forward secrecy
<burlyscudd> *perfect
<burlyscudd> cert pinning
<burlyscudd> etc
<sweeper> but the COT mechanism is only necessary because people are dumb and can't be assed to do their own security
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<burlyscudd> hell Faebook didn't force TLS until after Firesheep
<burlyscudd> sweeper: what does "do their own security" really mean?
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<burlyscudd> AV?
<burlyscudd> vuln scanning?
<atmosx> sweeper: Your own security has little to do with everything really.
<burlyscudd> keeping on top of every CVE that comes out in the consumer stack?
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<sweeper> burlyscudd: no, basic stuff like "here are my trusted keys, these are the ones I trust because X"
<burlyscudd> using 1Password or KeepPass??
<burlyscudd> sweeper: most keys that the average person uses are generated automatically by the browser
<burlyscudd> do you mean like consumers or like people who hang out in Freenode when you say "people"? :-)
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<atmosx> sweeper: If Facebook and Google is forced to give backdoor access to the NSA (which they do, I think it's clear by now)... Your own security awareness can do nothing about it.
<burlyscudd> b/c I agree that like hackers and shit should be on top of where their ssh keys go and whatnot
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<burlyscudd> there's no backdoor
<burlyscudd> it's getting the keys
<burlyscudd> i promise you
<burlyscudd> they don't need a backdoor
<burlyscudd> they have the fucking traffic
<burlyscudd> in their mega datacenters
<sweeper> burlyscudd: everyone should, just like they keep track of their own house keys
<burlyscudd> they just get a FISA finding pre-warrant and get google
<sweeper> this isn't 1960 anymore
<burlyscudd> to hand over the cert for that time frame
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<burlyscudd> sweeper: every service on the web, from the important (banks, investments, medical shit) to the most rinky-dink mom-n-pop ecomm store for buying fishing lures or whatever the fuck requires you to have a password
<burlyscudd> to make an account
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<burlyscudd> it's human nature that you use the same few passwords
<Hanmac> the only way to defeat the NSA is to feed them more than they could swallow ;P
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<burlyscudd> sure people should use password safes
<burlyscudd> randomly generated 25-char plus etc
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<burlyscudd> and encrypt that key file and back it up multiply
<atmosx> I have everything if my 1Password keychain, find the key and you have my *life*
<burlyscudd> people are getting more educated about passwords
<burlyscudd> atmosx: yup
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<sweeper> yea. and they're a freaking decade behind
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<atmosx> burlyscudd: it's a double edged knife
<sweeper> at LEAST
<burlyscudd> atmosx: hopefully you can tune how encrypted that file is like you can w/ KeepPass
<burlyscudd> sweeper: idk who "they" is — we're still in the early stages of humans hanging out on computer networks en masse
<Morrolan> Probably a good time to link to the xkcd about encryption vs wrenches. :D
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<burlyscudd> so there are lots of fuckups
<atmosx> burlyscudd: I trust the guys, small firm and all. Since P vs NP/Rieman Hypothesis is not solved ... we're safe I guess.
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<sweeper> burlyscudd: dude it's been a quarter century since people started "hanging out en masse"
<burlyscudd> in real-world hacking, people aren't usually popped by bad encryption as often as stolen passwords or bad patching. but when encryption is bad, it is epically, epically bad news for whomever used it
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<atmosx> I like the quote by a mathematician "RSA is secure. If Gauss was not able to tackle the issue almost 300 years. We're safe"
<burlyscudd> sweeper: yeah for whatver value of "people"
<burlyscudd> and actually been a lot longer than that if you just want to count any ole pair of neckbeards sending each other IP packets
<sweeper> no, I mean when it became common to have AOL/compuserve/whatever, and http was a thing
<atmosx> Morrolan: still waiting for th elink
<sweeper> I mean fuck
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<sweeper> anyone could tell you that using the same physical key for everything is a dumb idea
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<burlyscudd> sweeper: lol dude regular people don't make their keys
<burlyscudd> locksmits do
<burlyscudd> experts
<sweeper> yea. but regular people know it would be bad to have the same key for everything
<burlyscudd> no one's like "hey I see you have a door here, so please fashion a key — make it a good one, because this hotel you're staying in tonight is in a shitty neighborhood"
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<burlyscudd> but you hvae that basic situation when someone's like "yo — give me some personal info that I'll store w/ my nifty, hack-filled PHP web app that fronts my ecommerce lingerie shop"
<sweeper> yea but who says "here's my house key, make my hotel room lock work with it"?
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<sweeper> "take my house key and save it back there for 'later
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<burlyscudd> that's my entire point tho really — the lock and key model is architected from the beginning in a more useful way than "think of a password"
<burlyscudd> i agree people should use password safes
<burlyscudd> that's what I do
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<sweeper> yea but nobody would be dumb enough to give some sketchy hotel their house key
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<sweeper> well
<sweeper> I say that
<sweeper> then...people :P
<rmroulette> watching that moxie ssl talk
<rmroulette> lol @ comodo
<burlyscudd> just watch out tho that if your box gets popped, the pw safe isn't too easy to crack into… :-)
<sweeper> the thermite should do the trick :3
<sweeper> two factor auth is the bomb tho
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<sweeper> too bad a central service that could provide two factor auth to web services would have the same problem: single point of failure
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<sweeper> might be a good way to get a lot of government funding tho :D
<farkerhaiku> i made an html5 rorschach image creator and can spit out the binary via a browser, but i just realized i can't capture that output in my ruby twitter bot. is there something i could use that would essentially spin up a browser to get the html5 rendered content? capybara/webkit? cucumber?
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<farkerhaiku> see http://rorschach-twitter.herokuapp.com/rorschach.html for the example output
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<anddam> hello
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<shevy> Hanmac wtf
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<shevy> I will go blind Hanmac
<shevy> so this is what you rather wanna do instead of working on rxw :(
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<Hanmac> shevy i am currently watching TV and i was in cinema today, i will work again tomorrow
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> what did you watch in cinema?
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<Hanmac> shevy i watched "frozen" with my best friend, and then i got the OrginalSoundTrack of it ;P
<shevy> never heard that
<shevy> omg
<shevy> a cartoon!
<Hanmac> no its a animation (*big difference*)
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<atmosx> Hanmac: how many hours per day you write code?
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<shevy> atmosx I combine it with different activities whenever possible
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<Hanmac> atmosx: currently i am jobless, (and last days my raid was rebuilding) but when i work on rwx, i do from raise from the bed till i fall back ;P (~8AM till ~2AM ;P )
<shevy> one area is where the computer is, the other area is where the books are
<atmosx> shevy: me too
<atmosx> Hanmac: what is rwx?
<shevy> for some reason I am much better learning from books, the things I read in a book I can remember for a much longer time
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<atmosx> shevy: you buy programming books?
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<Hanmac> atmosx: did you know wxRuby?
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<atmosx> Hanmac: hmmm it's bindings for GUI programming in ruby?
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<Hanmac> atmosx: yes, but wxRuby is dead ... and does not work with newer wxWidgets ... so i wrote my own, all myself ;P
<shevy> atmosx sometimes
<shevy> atmosx I bought some book about design patterns but I have not yet found the time to read it, I have like 30 books to read...
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<apeiros> bro: you using that nick to promote that campaign - is that a reverse joke? :)
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<bro> lol my nick isn't related, no
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<atmosx> it's just me or does anyone else find that campaign idiotic?
<cong> how do i push a gem with http sources?
<apeiros> atmosx: just you
<bro> atmosx: I do
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<bro> that's WHY I posted it here
<apeiros> bro: huh?
<atmosx> bro: I don't think anything could get more publicity than this project did, considering what she's actually offering.
<atmosx> apeiros: c'mon it's a little bit stupid
<apeiros> atmosx: what's stupid about writing a book?
<atmosx> apeiros: the target group.
<bro> apeiros: if she wasn't a female, she wouldn't even have reached $10,000
<apeiros> atmosx: so you're all "I'm not the target group, therefore I think it's stupid"?
<apeiros> bro: slippery slope
<bro> well I don't think her idea is stupid
<atmosx> apeiros: No, I'm not the target for "design patterns" book either.
<bro> I just think the pledged amount is stupid
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<apeiros> well, she asked for 10k - hardly her fault she gets more
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<apeiros> that's like that idiotic argument somebody made to justify him insulting somebody using a female nick in here - "But he/she just uses a female nick to solicit more help!"
<bro> kickstarter should put some kind of limit
<apeiros> bro: why? because it hurts your feelings if somebody gets $$$?
<atmosx> apeiros: The concept of making a programming book in ruby for kids, is stupid. If a kid wants to learn programming there's nothing stopping him today, with all the raspberrys and computers and tools flying around. It's totally unenecesary. Also a kid will probably grow out of this book quickly. Not to mention that most kids that will have access to programming at an early stage will be probably have a geeky father, who can school them easily.
<bro> apeiros: for the wrong reasons? yes
<atmosx> apeiros: imho it's pointless
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<apeiros> bro: so you're the person who determines "the only holy right and true reasons" I guess?
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<Hanmac> atmosx: https://github.com/Hanmac/rwx << you can look at the source ... i did it all myself ;P
<apeiros> atmosx: dude, then *don't f'ing buy it*
<bro> apeiros: yes, call me Bro
<apeiros> atmosx: but don't go around and shit on what others love
<atmosx> apeiros: well, I probably won't. Who exactly loves it?
<apeiros> atmosx: the author *quite likely* loves what she does. don't you think?
<shevy> cong, gem push *.gem does not worK?
<apeiros> atmosx: and 170k$ tell a story of people thinking the same, don't you think too?
<atmosx> apeiros: so... I can't state my opinion because she does love it?
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<atmosx> apeiros: exactly why I'm commenting on this, otherwise I wouldn't even bother (huh?).
<apeiros> atmosx: you can state your opinion. or you can be an ass about it. you chose the latter and it doesn't reflect well on you.
<cong> shevy, that's right
<shevy> cong hmm
<atmosx> apeiros: okay, I see what you mean. Sorry about it, didn't want to sound rude or anything.
<apeiros> atmosx: ok, thanks. glad to hear that.
<shevy> cong does it state how it fails?
<shevy> ah yes
<shevy> my mind is a bit confused, I am reading up on stupid laws right now...
<shevy> "Unable to require openssl, install OpenSSL and rebuild ruby (preferred) or use non-HTTPS sources"
<cong> shevy, yeah => Unable to require openssl, install OpenSSL and rebuild ruby (preferred) or use non-HTTPS sources
<shevy> I am unsure how to have it work without openssl, there is a channel #rubygems though
<apeiros> atmosx: just to be clear - I wouldn't by my kids such a book. for the simple reason that IMO a parent should rather take his time to teach the kid himself. that said - it might of course all go some other way and if my kid prefers to learn on his own, I'd still buy it.
<apeiros> *I wouldn't +buy+
<shevy> I usually bite the bullet when I compile ruby without working openssl, then I go into ext/openssl and rebuild from there
<atmosx> apeiros: me too.
<shevy> apeiros what if you are a bad teacher :D
<apeiros> but I'm one out of 7e9 people on this tiny earth :)
<cong> okay
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<atmosx> apeiros: hehe me too.
<apeiros> shevy: then the poor lad has to suck it up or go to bed without dinner! d'uh :D
<popl> seven-e-nine?
<popl> ;)
<shevy> DICTATORSHIP!!!
<atmosx> apeiros: also, I will not force my kid to learn programming if he/she doesn't want to.
<atmosx> shevy: democracy is such a pain..
<apeiros> popl: have we reached 8e9 already?
<shevy> atmosx k he will always say no to everything you tell your kid to do. what then
<shevy> atmosx yeah
<shevy> atmosx but as long as you can buy the legislation, it won't matter!
<atmosx> shevy: I won't tell nothing then :-P Hope to hav ea better relationship if possible
<atmosx> lol
<apeiros> atmosx: yeah. I'll try to encourage them. but I'll support them in whatever they want to do (as long as it's within laws and acceptable danger levels)
<atmosx> Hanmac: awsome project, in cpp? :-)
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<Hanmac> atmosx: yep, but i use C-macros for the EVIL! ;D
<shevy> dEVIL!
<popl> apeiros: we haven't even gotten to 80
<atmosx> Hanmac: cool
<shevy> it gots evil in its name
<apeiros> popl: ?
<popl> DUDE THE PUN IS RIGHT THERE
<popl> :P
<apeiros> too much wine or too late in the evening…
* apeiros doesn't get it
<popl> apeiros: 7e9 -> seven-e-nine -> seventy nine
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<shevy> "Devil descends from the Middle English devel, from Old English d?ofol, that in turn represents an early Germanic borrowing of Latin diabolus."
<shevy> Teufel!
<apeiros> popl: :-| ok
<shevy> oh it was a pun
<shevy> I just thought popl was drunk
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<popl> shevy: I am rarely drunk.
<popl> Which isn't to say I don't like beer.
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<popl> Just that I'm pretending to be poor so I can save money.
<popl> When I'm drunk I'll have more typos.
<popl> I am very tired though.
<atmosx> I don't like alcohool
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<atmosx> and it's strange, but I didn't like it the first time and never really tried to push myself into it.
<atmosx> I don't know, did you guys liked alcohool the first time you had it?
<shevy> popl get drunk
<shevy> atmosx hmm it depends
<popl> I'm high on life.
<shevy> stuff like vodka is killing my brain cells and my stomach so I refuse to drink it
<shevy> 1x 0.33 L beer every now and then (like every 3rd day) is ok sometimes depending on food used (bread + beer is ok, beer + sweet sugar is not ok)
<popl> Besides, you're intoxicating enough…
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<shevy> other than that no alcohol
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<atmosx> popl: what does "high on life" mean exactly?
* popl bats his eyelashes.
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<apeiros> shevy: I just bet on my regeneration ratio being higher than alcohols kill ratio
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<popl> It's an urban myth that alcohol destroys brain cells.
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<Morrolan> atmosx: Oh, sorry, I thought this one was common knowledge by now. :o
<atmosx> popl: you have degree in CS?
<Morrolan> atmosx: http://xkcd.com/538/ it is
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<atmosx> Morrolan: oh this one, yes I knew it :-)
<Morrolan> See. :)
<atmosx> hahahaha
<Morrolan> (Would have been disappointed if you hadn't!)
<atmosx> My fav is the one with the sys-admin
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<Morrolan> ;D
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<apeiros> popl: well, it damages the dendrites. so pedantic version: I just bet on my dendrites regeneration ratio being higher than alcohols dendrite damaging ratio
<shevy> apeiros yeah as long as you are young and healthy :)
<apeiros> is 53 still young?
<shevy> hehe
<shevy> well
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<shevy> there are some people who are rather fragile at 53 and some who are still strong like a bear
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<shevy> alcohol always made me tired quickly
<apeiros> depends on the amount for me
<shevy> tequila really knocks me out quickly
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<popl> apeiros: your liver would probably fail you first
<popl> That is, if you drank LIKE A MAN.
<popl> ;P
* Hanmac laughts because he neigher drinks alc nor he smokes ;P
<popl> Hanmac: That just means your sentence is longer than mine.
<apeiros> popl: how do man drink?
<apeiros> *men
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<apeiros> I dunno how men drink. I usually drink either directly from the bottle or use a glass…
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<popl> I think it involves ice and prostitutes.
<popl> At least that's what it looks like in the commercials.
<apeiros> wife sadly doesn't approve of prostitutes :(
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<popl> even if they're soley for drinking purposes?
<popl> what a prude
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<apeiros> maybe for fear of behavioral changes in me when drinking :)
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<atmosx> Hanmac: do you have sex?
<Hanmac> atmosx: what do you guess?
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* atmosx doesn't smoke or drink alc either (well I drink shots etc though)
<shevy> man
<atmosx> Hanmac: yeeeees
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<shevy> atmosx, LOOK AT THE PICTURE HE FINDS
<shevy> they make you a sex-less person in no time
<atmosx> shevy: he is pretty kinky
<shevy> Hanmac, did you show him that psycho cat that hit the eye of that girl?
<atmosx> shevy: but I think ... I had a bigger hentai collection. These Japanese dudes are by far the most twisted
<shevy> atmosx it's like an alarm clock... an alarm cat...
<shevy> yeah
<shevy> japanese confuse me a lot
<Hanmac> atmosx: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8010607104/h1CCE88A7/ << best alarmclock ever!
<shevy> I dunno what is up with them
<shevy> they are like on the extreme side
<Hanmac> shevy: and no its not japanese ;P this is a cartoon not a anime ;P
<atmosx> When I went to China it was awesome, every girl wanted to *marry me*
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<Hanmac> atmosx: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7995460608/hD9AF00E3/ << i think shevy wants that i show you this
<atmosx> And there are very beautiful chinese girls there.. Not like the ones you see in Europe
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<atmosx> Hanmac: hahha
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<shevy> atmosx how did you figure out they wanted to marry you? :D
<Hanmac> shevy: they drag him into a church or temple or something similar?
<atmosx> shevy: I didn't :-P They were asking our translator all the time.
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<atmosx> shevy: they asked "If I had children"
<atmosx> which was a translation children = married
<shevy> wtf
<shevy> are you sure it was not a prank? :D
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<atmosx> Hanmac: hahahaha no, but when we went this massage center, there were these tiny chinese girls... Really short you know? Their hands though were like princers or something
<shevy> "Look this outsider's nose is really huge, what an ugly guy." Translator: "Man, I tell you, these girls love you! They wanna marry you right away!"
<apeiros> atmosx: of course, you're a ticket to an imagined golden world
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<shevy> switzerland!!!
<shevy> rivers of schokli!
<atmosx> apeiros: No, it's no tthat. The problem with them is that they have our standards of beauty. So any European with dark hair (I think) will do.
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<shevy> they hate blonde men???
* apeiros really wants to strangle shevy for spelling it "schokli"
<shevy> hehe
<atmosx> shevy: I think blonde men are kinda *strange* to them...
<apeiros> atmosx: yeah, that too. my insanely pale skin which I hate is beauty heaven over in much of asia
<shevy> hah! swedish invasion will shock the chinese then
<atmosx> At least given the fact that the Bulgarian blonde guy didn't get any attention but he was not ugly or anything
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<atmosx> I assume that dark is closer to their color.
<atmosx> colors*
<Hanmac> atmosx: my family makes a holyday in china next month, i am stay at home for some reasons ... (maybe next time)
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<atmosx> Hanmac: can't you go?
<atmosx> Hanmac: Chinese girls are *very* beautiful.
<atmosx> Hanmac: but I don't think you're going to get laid without getting some sort of engagement.
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<Hanmac> atmosx: first i didnt know if i have freetime, than there was the choice, with my mother and friend , or with my sister, and there was no third choice
<Hanmac> atmosx: currently i dont have a problem with that i dont get "laid" ... you dont know how "lazy" i can be right? ;P
<shevy> Hanmac go to china man
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<shevy> Hanmac actually, where in china?
<atmosx> there was this translator (1 of the two) who was really awesome and she asked me the third day if I liked China. I was in shock the 1st week or 5 days.. Because it was like being in Space, everything was *Chinese*, everything was totally weird, even the food. So I said "hell no!". That was it, she was *testing* me, so 5 days later when the other translator told that she liked me (and I liked her becuase she was hot) I asked her out and she refused
<atmosx> because "I will not stay in China".
<shevy> I loved Hong Kong but hated Shanghai
<Hanmac> shevy directly shanghai ...
<atmosx> shevy: I want to go to Singapore, Shangai is awesome (Pudong)
<shevy> Beijing was funny, we saw some army guys doing some kind of tai-chi combat moves (I think it was a tai-chi form, not san-shou form...)
<shevy> atmosx ohh I was never to Singapore
<shevy> what is Pudong?
<atmosx> shevy: the ritchest district of Shangai, probably thepart you saw
* Hanmac smells that we rubyists should make a travel someday in a group across china ;P
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<atmosx> Hanmac: I would love to go to Japan (more liberal, sex-wise) and Singapore (to get new gadgets)
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<shevy> atmosx, ah I see. I was mostly near the harbour area... it felt like they copied hong kong but in an ugly way like "hey, we can build a town like the UK can do too!"
<Hanmac> atmosx: visiting japan is also on my list ... maybe i am make some kind of joptravel with my cousin
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<shevy> visiting matz!
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<shevy> european attack team - we attack with hugs
<Hanmac> hm that is not on my list, but it would still be cool
<shevy> he speaks english after all
<atmosx> Hanmac: yeah... Matz is the last I would think of, but okay
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<atmosx> I'll go with shevy
<Hanmac> atmosx: i still dream about that japan and china join forces ... combining japanise tech with china production tech ... ;P
<shevy> \o/
<shevy> they hate each other
<Hanmac> hm maybe but its still a nice thought
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<atmosx> shevy: maybe the fact that Japanese soldiers attacked them like 3 times in 1 century slaughter everyone etc has something to do with it :-P
<atmosx> that said, I'm positive that you can get a lot more sex in JP than CN
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<Hanmac> atmosx: it seems your auto-reply is "lost" ;P
<atmosx> Hanmac: oh
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<shevy> atmosx that's the excuse they use but in reality it is economic influence today
<shevy> japan is sad that china will crush them economically
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<atmosx> yes but I don't care really
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<Somelauw> Not sure, but ruby seems to have many synonyms like select/findall and map/collect. Is one prefered over the other or do you just pick one depending on your mood?
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<apeiros> people usually stick with personal preferences
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<apeiros> mine are: map, select, reject, inject
<Somelauw> do you make a style guide when working in teams?
<apeiros> I'd suggest to do that, yes
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<apeiros> we didn't do at work because we happened to have the same preferences
<Somelauw> that also explicitely mentions preferred methods
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<MrZYX> I mostly use the shorter ones, but there are a few occasions where one of the aliases might make the intent clearer (don't ask me for examples though! :P)
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<Somelauw> apeiros: are there some very common preferences for the methods?
<Somelauw> ok, you mostly prefer the shortest one
<apeiros> I'm hesitant to declare my preferences to be the common preference. I don't have numbers.
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<lagweezle> inject is a fun word ... so long as it doesn't involve me and needles.
<Hanmac> apeiros & Somelauw select and find_all are not synonyms for all
<apeiros> you "inject" an operator into a list of elements
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<apeiros> e.g. .inject(:+) turns [1,2,3] into [1 + 2 + 3] (that's how I visualize it and understand its name at least)
<Somelauw> (1..10).select {|i| Math.sqrt(i) % 1 != 0} .map {|i| i * i}
<Hanmac> Somelauw: Hash#select does return Hash, Enumerable#find_all returns Array, remind that
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<apeiros> good that 1.8 is dead. otherwise you'd had to mention that difference.
<Somelauw> inject = reduce or fold
<apeiros> foldl I think
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<lagweezle> Anyone here familiar w/Capistrano, bundler, and rbenv combinations?
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<lagweezle> Oh ... and willing to help cluebat me?
<apeiros> yeah, reduce got added later
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<apeiros> I'm willing to just bat you
<lagweezle> :3
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<shevy> Somelauw the shorter ones are better. .map beats .collect
<Somelauw> apeiros: please tell them to stop creating synonyms, i have an ocd to use one of those method names consistenly, synonyms make that harder
<shevy> Somelauw reject and select are very similar, my brain works better with reject (because I focus on like a filter, and send through it some data, and out comes only what I need, whereas with select, my brain needs to pick what I really want first, rather than be able to just discard what I won't need)
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<apeiros> Somelauw: I too wish they didn't have aliasitis
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<shevy> apeiros already created his own language ONCE
<shevy> he may do so again!
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<apeiros> for semantic reasons, ok (like aliasing == to eql? etc.) - but just to satisfy some people who might know the method under a different name from a different language? hell no!
<apeiros> make a guide or something for them
<shevy> lagweezle inject confuses me, I always think of syringes first
<apeiros> shevy: I'm still working on it
<apeiros> shevy.inject(:syringe)
<shevy> halsbe 3.0
<apeiros> wow, you remember the name
<apeiros> impressive :)
<Somelauw> shevy: select is the same as filter in scheme/haskell/python/javascript/scala, so my brain works better with that one.
<shevy> yes but only because it was such a strange name
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<shevy> it has like a guttural german sound
<lagweezle> shevy: I've got issues with needles, when they involve thoughts of them related to my skin ... Weirdly enough, I gave injections and such to my ferrets w/o much of a problem. O.o
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<shevy> eeks
<Somelauw> and then they don't offer "filter" as a synonym which is the most common word in other languages
<shevy> poor ferrets
<shevy> lagweezle do you give yourself injections too?
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<lagweezle> Aye. One of the poor guys had insulin issues post-surgery and I had to give him insulin shots every 8 hours after blood tests.
<lagweezle> shevy: no. don't think I could
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<shevy> hehe
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<pontiki> insulin shots are typicall subq
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<Somelauw> i somewhat like ruby blocks
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<shevy> Somelauw yeah? you used them in another language as well?
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<Hanmac> lagweezle: i have a problem with doctors and needles ... once i was ill and they took me into hospital (they thought it was meningitis), they took a bag of my blood out of me and then they said: "they cant threat me there, i need to travel to the next one" and then they put the blood bag on my lap (holding your own blood is a very freaky feeling) ... after 30min we was in the second hospital, but they said my blood was older than 2h they need n