<lucianosousa>
djapo: bundle take care about this, but, you look if the gems you are using are compatible. I always lock my gems on Gemfile doing like this: gem ‘name’, ‘~> version’ to freeze gems on versions I know works fine
<djapo>
hmm, i just uninstall everything in my bundle and tried reinstalling everythin .. didn't work http://dpaste.com/22FN8Y6, looks like i have to version lock them to something that works .. hmmm
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<Lemur>
All significant rails projects are one `bundle update` away from dependency hell.
<djapo>
why, what makes them so fragile?
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<djapo>
so what version of compass works with the latest sass?
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<axepyre>
Why do I have to put a ! at the end of gets.chomp.capitalize
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<havenwood>
axepyre: You wouldn't.
<axepyre>
I'm doing a course on codecademy and I kept getting an error because I never put !
<Rakko>
that would be counterproductive
<axepyre>
"The next line might look a little strange, we don't assign the result of capitalize to a variable. Instead you might notice the ! at the end of capitalize. This modifies the value contained within the variable answer itself. "
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<havenwood>
axepyre: a method ending in a bang signifies it does the same thing as the method without the bang except it modifies the receiver
<havenwood>
axepyre: so `x.capitalize!` instead of `x = x.capitalize`
<axepyre>
oh
<havenwood>
axepyre: but you'd never do it with `gets`
<havenwood>
axepyre: only with a variable referencing what was captured with `gets`
<Sirupsen>
havenwood: I think the convention is that the bang method is "more dangerous"; it doesn't necessarily imply mutating something
<Sirupsen>
But in a lot of cases that's "more dangerous" :-)
<Sirupsen>
So you should never have a bang method without a non-bang counterpart
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<havenwood>
Sirupsen: Danger!
<Sirupsen>
havenwood: hm? :-)
<havenwood>
aye, i suppose Kernel#exit! doesn't mutate anything
<Sirupsen>
yeah
<Sirupsen>
same in Rails, where you have save! that raises an exception, instead of just returning false
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<havenwood>
i don't think i like the use outside of mutating/non-mutating though
<havenwood>
was glad when Celluloid dropped the bang in favor of chaining #async
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<axepyre>
I'm having a blast learning programming but it can be a little confusing for me at times. Thanks for the help guys
<manacit>
:)
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<manacit>
good luck!
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<benzrf>
bye
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<agent_white>
Sup doods
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<ScroopyNoopers>
hi agent_white
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<rx47>
will anyone be interested on writing ai for pacman and ghosts with a (wanna be) easy interface? all original rules respected
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<rx47>
I meant on ruby, of course, that's the point of asking here
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<Rakko>
are you asking for someone to collaborate with you?
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<rx47>
Rakko, errr not mainly, I have this a more or less advanced, just asking for people who would like to use it
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<rx47>
this more*
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<Rakko>
oh, sounds interesting
<rx47>
I also planned on using some kind of online connection so that two people in diferent computers could use it, but I may have to switch something a bit
<rx47>
I'm currently not doing it that way, but for local could be good
<rx47>
well, I'll post it here when I have it somehow usable
<rx47>
I'm currently with navigation maps for easy pathfinding, I think it could be fun!
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<apeiros>
agent_white: that's about in-code comments
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<agent_white>
apeiros: I thought that is what this was about?
<apeiros>
IMO in-code comments are a smell
<apeiros>
agent_white: method documentation is not in-code comment, no
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<agent_white>
apeiros: Oh I thought we were talking about in-code comments...
<agent_white>
welp.
* agent_white
shuffles to the door
<sevenseacat>
theres different requirements - one person might want to know how to use the method, another might want to discover why the method is doing something unexpected - the first can be done with comments, the second is usually by looking through the code
<apeiros>
maybe I'm mistaken, though. I only skimmed the backlog.
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<apeiros>
sevenseacat: depends a bit on what you consider "unexpected". a well defined method shouldn't really be able to do something unexpected. but I've come to realize that things I consider natural and to be expected are totally baffling others :)
<sevenseacat>
:P
<apeiros>
that said, I'd love if people (me included) better documented the exceptions a method can raise
<apeiros>
too many (falsely, IMO) consider exceptions not to be part of the method signature
<sevenseacat>
i will admit that i write very little documentation, but then again i write a lot of bog-standard rails apps that dont need it
<sevenseacat>
'this is a controller. this is a model' how about no
<apeiros>
sevenseacat: yeah, I won't go out of my way to document a controller either
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<apeiros>
models and service objects are probably the closest thing to library code in most of our rails apps
<apeiros>
(and those we actually do document)
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<FarLight>
lol looking at some of my comments I suppose I could stand to trim them a bit
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<FarLight>
# Only look up user if the user id is an integer. If not flash a notice and redirect to the relevant page.
<FarLight>
# +is_number?+ is an extension of the String class.
<sevenseacat>
the fact that ruby encourages short sharp methods means that if you're going to document every single one of them, your documents will far outweigh the code
<FarLight>
if user_id.is_number?
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<apeiros>
sevenseacat: if you write an essay for every method, sure :)
<apeiros>
sevenseacat: also docs should go through less churn than code
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* Hanmac
smells rails shit in the air
<sevenseacat>
;)
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<FarLight>
Hanmac dont like rails?
<apeiros>
s/dont like/hate/ # more like it
<FarLight>
What's wrong with it?
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* sevenseacat
gets popcorn
<FarLight>
ha I'm new to both rails and ruby I don't have any agendas
<sevenseacat>
rails is just one application of the language
<apeiros>
s/application/framework/
<sevenseacat>
no, i meant application, as in 'this is a way you can apply the language'
<FarLight>
You feel it is stealing the show a little bit?
<apeiros>
rails has its bad parts. but given that any sufficiently complex piece of code will have that, rails is actually relatively well written.
<Hanmac>
since they dont get "kibibyte" right, a standard more than ten years old, then maybe doing stupid things with date and time stuff (that does confuse newbs, because rails did forget to warn them to learn ruby first before learing rails), then the fuc with "present?" because they are to lazy to check for nil, then this thing with is_number? ... i am 100% sure it does not have a option for hexadezimal and also no option fo
<FarLight>
I wrote the is_number? thing, and I don't know what hexadezimal is so you're probably right
<FarLight>
haha
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<FarLight>
oh hexadecimal
<Hanmac>
also there is a regexp class for some non-default digits: /[[:digit:]]/.match("\u06F2") # U+06F2 is "EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC DIGIT TWO"
<FarLight>
That is very good Hanmac
<FarLight>
very complete
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<pontiki>
ah, daybreak over the swamp
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<Giddeon>
I built a simple gem that has a file called runner in the bin/ directory. On my development machine, I can cd into the bin directory and run ./runner and everything works great. However, I'd like the bin file to be executable as soon as the user installs the gem. Ideally the user could just type "runner" and my file would execute no matter the directory. Can someone point min the right
<Giddeon>
direction?
<pontiki>
read guides.rubygems.org
<pontiki>
make sure you have the gemspec right
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<Giddeon>
thanks pontiki
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<shevy>
Giddeon for global gems this should be trivial
<shevy>
the problem is, if you specifically do ./runner it assumes to work in the current directory, everywhere
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<apeiros>
Giddeon: I sure hope you haven't called your executable "runner". that's a far too generic name.
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<wasamasa>
roadrunner is less generic
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<ctcg>
I'm getting the error "msg: Failed to find required executable gem" when attempting to install the compass gem using vagrant/ansible. See these screenshots:
<ctcg>
also when i run "which gem" manually, it tells me that the gem executable is in /opt/vagrant_ruby/bin/gem which I suspect is the issue.
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<ctcg>
How can I update it to look for the executable here?
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<doub>
can i return anonymous values from a script i "load"? ie. without storing them in globals
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<Mon_Ouie>
No, you can use eval instead of load though
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<banisterfiend>
Mon_Ouie 'alut
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<Hanmac>
hey, need nice gem for ORM stuff that can be nicly integrated into existing class stucture ... (prefered as include not as inherit from a model class) try to add more save features for my datastuff ... currently marshal and xml are prefered and supported ... try to add db interface too
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<nobodyzzz>
datamapper?
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<Hanmac>
hm ok i will look at it
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<startupality>
I am having troubles switching from rvm to rbenv, I did all the implode rvm, homebrew install rbenv… on OS X Mavericks but I run into problems when trying to do bundle install, here is an example http://pastie.org/9409499
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<startupality>
maybe someone know what is the case?
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<Hanmac>
startupality: did you read the messages at the end?
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<startupality>
Hanmac: Make sure that `gem install pg -v '0.17.1'` succeeds before bundling. ?
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<startupality>
Hanmac: yes I tried doing that but it doesnt help
<Hanmac>
and? what does happen?
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<startupality>
I think this should be here “Your user account isn't allowed to install to the system Rubygems.” when using RBENV
<startupality>
*shouldnt!
<startupality>
nothing happens
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<startupality>
i succeeds installing the gem
<startupality>
but when I run bundle install it asks me for password again
<Hanmac>
startupality: "--system" <<<<<<<<<
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<startupality>
and that should not happen with RBENV
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<startupality>
Hanmac: bundle install --system ?
<Hanmac>
you said bundle install --system ... so maybe it does try to install for system?
<startupality>
It does the same
<startupality>
It is same like bundle install
<Hanmac>
startupality: bundler also has its own channel #bundler maybe they are more helpful?
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<startupality>
Hanmac: Ok I ll check
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<startupality>
but I though it might be often that people switch from rvm to rbenv
<TomyWork>
what's the standard database interface used in ruby? basically the equivalent of jdbc
<Hanmac>
imo OSX is the main problem with that ...
<Hanmac>
TomyWork: hm imo that depends ... if you use Rails you have ActiveRecord ... if not you hay have datamapper
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<TomyWork>
Hanmac thanks, i'm actually looking for a puppet module, so i just need something i can google for :)
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<Pumukel>
Hi i have a problem install some gems on a server that sits behind a proxy, even if i change http-proxy in .gemrc or via gem sources from https to http i get an Net::HTTPServerException 403 Forbidden HTTP tunneling, what could I do to solve this?
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<GlenK>
hi, I'm having trouble understanding why I'm getting inside the else clause here: http://fpaste.org/119531/
<shevy>
I've noticed this accidentally, as on my laptop there is currently only ruby 1.9.3 from ubuntu, and the ruby parser screams and breaks down the moment it sees %i
<GlenK>
when I print out my bmi variable it looks fine.
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<shevy>
GlenK what is line 2
<GlenK>
shevy: "readline". The first line of input is the number of sets of weight/height, so I just throw it away
<shevy>
I do not understand
<shevy>
what is "readline"?
<GlenK>
um...wel, ignore that part. that part works.
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<apeiros>
GlenK: case/when doesn't work like that
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<apeiros>
case expression when condition then --> this is evaluated as (condition) === (expression)
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<shevy>
what a strange way to get user input like that GlenK
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<apeiros>
GlenK: so when you do `case bmi; when (bmi < 18.5) then`, what ruby evaluates is `(bmi < 18.5) === (bmi)`, and since left side of that === is true/false, and right side probably a float, you'll never go into any of those `then`s
<Pumukel>
pandaant i have tried to set the proxy via gemrc and via cli and it did not work
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<apeiros>
GlenK: also use &&, not and. and probably does not have the precedence you want.
<GlenK>
apeiros: I see, thanks. hmm, that being the case, I need to switch to if else? Or is there a way to do the <= stuff with a case statement
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<dstarh>
can anyone recommend a good gem for connection pools? See https://github.com/typhoeus/typhoeus which looks promising but it relies externally on libCurl where as httparty (which doesn't do pooling) seems to be pure ruby
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<apeiros>
GlenK: you can use ranges
<apeiros>
case bmi; when 0..18.5 …; when 18.5..20; …
<apeiros>
30.0..Float::INFINITY for "bigger than"
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<GlenK>
I'm pretty much an idiot this morning at any rate, looking back at the case statement example I went with. haha. I need some coffee maybe
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<GlenK>
apeiros: cheers
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<apeiros>
with to_f, your case should never go into the else, though
<apeiros>
you need to validate its validity before calling to_f on it
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<GlenK>
apeiros: just make sure the strings aren't null or something you mean?
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<GlenK>
empty I guess?
<GlenK>
or go with a regex?
<apeiros>
>> "hello".to_f
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<apeiros>
plerp. bot still dead.
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<apeiros>
"hello".to_f # => 0.0
<centrx>
bot making us do all the calculations ourselves
<apeiros>
to_f does not verify you actually get a numerical value. it will return a float no matter what.
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<apeiros>
ah well, granted, one way to get a "malformed" message would be if both input values result in 0.0
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<apeiros>
since 0.0/0.0 # => NaN
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<apeiros>
and NaN comparisons are always false
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<dstarh>
One more request, can anyone recommend a good gem with built in HTTP Connection pooling?
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<ericwood>
perhaps eventmachine?
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<dstarh>
ericwood: not seeing how connection pools could be handled via eventmachine
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<ericwood>
me either
<ericwood>
ignore me
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<dstarh>
lol
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<j416>
our project (web site @ dayjob) is growing and I'm thinking of cutting off parts of it and putting them into their own gems, but I'm not very familiar with best practices. Would anyone know of a good source of information for this?
<j416>
(before anyone screams lmgtfy I shall mention that I'm asking to see if someone has an idea off-hand, I'm googling like mad meanwhile)
<centrx>
j416, I would only do that if the parts were at least theoretical useful for other projects
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<j416>
centrx: good point
<j416>
centrx: we have some parts that are.
<j416>
centrx: a logger, for instance.
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<centrx>
Organizing the code into libraries and subdirectories would be good, but a gem implies distributing code, whether inside the company or without
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<j416>
we are striving towards getting a more gem-like structure in the project as a whole, without currently createing actual gems. Perhaps this is a good middle way.
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<rdark>
any votes for dnsruby vs net::dns?
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<rdark>
or any other decent DNS gems that support NAPTR records? Both of the above seem pretty quiet in the last few years on the update front
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<samfisher>
hi. Ruby beginner here. I found that I learn very quick by doing not by reading so I'm asking people to give me work (free). If you have any project, I'd be glad to be an appretince
<samfisher>
:D
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<atmosx>
samfisher: try to find an open source project to contribute. Something based on ruby obviously.
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<atmosx>
samfisher: it will be good for your portfolio too
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<Mon_Ouie>
samfisher: Solve world hunger
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<samfisher>
Mon_Ouie: i only have to develop a very fast mean of transportation. Then I can move resources over long distances. Be it spare food to Africa, stray dogs to Canada etc
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<banister>
samfisher Mon_Ouie is french, do you have any snails or frogs legs for him?
<atmosx>
fucking git
<ericwood>
don't talk bad about git!
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<centrx>
git is so annoying
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<atmosx>
banister: nah, I did a git stash and rewrote my methods... thing is I didn't had commit last (~ 2 hours) changes :-(
<atmosx>
thankfully I have time machine's morning backup so I'll just... move the project dir back.
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<banister>
atmosx ouch
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<ericwood>
doesn't seem like git's fault
<bradhe>
what are the semantics of rb_ensure when a different thread raises? Should the ensure cb still get called in that scenario?
<ericwood>
sux tho
<Mon_Ouie>
I like the fact that it is now impossible to use git as an insult on IRC
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<ericwood>
Mon_Ouie: quiet, you git
<mikecmpbll>
:)
<banister>
le git
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<bradhe>
#ruby-dev
<bradhe>
woops
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<shevy>
Mon_Ouie the git!
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<Mon_Ouie>
That's a bit subversive
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<__julien>
Hello, I don't know how to formulate my question for google to answer it, so I try with humans : how to have my stings contents interpreted exacly like puts string would do but in order to modify the string itself I have a string continging \n taht I outputs to a file, but the file contains \n instead of carriage return
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<ericwood>
whoa what does that even mean
<atmosx>
stings?
<__julien>
like a="I am a \ndouble line string" then I try to output a to a file but with the "\n" interpreted
<__julien>
and not printed as is
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<__julien>
my keyboard does not like me
<atmosx>
printf?
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<Mon_Ouie>
You could use inspect and remove the first and last character, or manually escape the characters that you need to escape
<atmosx>
nah puts works fine \n on irb
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<__julien>
yes but the idea is to modify
<__julien>
like a .puts! methods
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<__julien>
which does not exist
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<atmosx>
then create it
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<Mon_Ouie>
What would it do?
<__julien>
I was wondering if there a ruby methods that does interpret what in the string and return the string
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<__julien>
whatever kind a special characters may be inside
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<__julien>
like \t \r \n etc ....
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<Mon_Ouie>
You realize it already "interpreted" special characters?
<Mon_Ouie>
>> "\n".length
<centrx>
You can substitute "\n" for "\\n" whereever you want
<Mon_Ouie>
Oh, right he's dead
<__julien>
string.interpret! or something like that
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<centrx>
It's not an interpretation
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<Mon_Ouie>
It's really confusing to know what you mean. You might mean one thing or the exact opposite of it.
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<Mon_Ouie>
Give us an example of expected input AND output.
<__julien>
I have a string that contains "I have\n two lines"
<centrx>
When stored, the string contains a single character which we represent in ASCII as \n
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<pontiki>
i wonder if they mean that there is a literal backslash n in the file, and they wanted the linefeed character?
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<__julien>
no I want to interepret the string
<ericwood>
how are you writing the file?
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<__julien>
exaclty like puts would do
<banister>
Mon_Ouie 'alut again
<Mon_Ouie>
__julien: puts just writes the contents of the string to a file
<pontiki>
'I have\ntwo line' does not equal "I have\ntwo lines"
<Mon_Ouie>
'alut
<Mon_Ouie>
to stdout*
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<Mon_Ouie>
It does not do any "interpretation"
<__julien>
::File.open w+ and file.write
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<Mon_Ouie>
You do understand "\n" does *not* contain a backslash?
<__julien>
but in my code if I write myself my string on two line it's okay
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<pontiki>
__julien: all these work the same. it's the string you're sending that is suspect
<__julien>
but if there is \n within the string it is not
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<__julien>
in irb
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<__julien>
I try to make an example ot ouf my stuff
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<__julien>
IN fact I got confused because I changed the string format but the problem was completely elsewhere, and what I said did not make any sens from the start I guess :)
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<workmad3>
mwlang: main reason would be to discover breakages in small amounts and incrementally, avoid getting them all at once when 2.0 goes EoL and a massive security bug is going unfixed ;)
<workmad3>
mwlang: but you could get that by testing on 2.1 rather than going whole-hog with 2.1 in production I guess :)
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<centrx>
mwlang, Array#to_h is nice also
<mwlang>
workmad3: that’s generally why I would push forward…
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<workmad3>
centrx: is that essentially Hash[] but as an array method? :)
<centrx>
yes
<mwlang>
centrx: what’s the result of that? (i.e. what would the keys be?)
<centrx>
array_of_pairs.to_h
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<centrx>
my_hash.to_a.to_h == my_hash
<workmad3>
centrx: hmm... does't like a flat array :(
<shevy>
ruby has always been not famous for its speed
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<centrx>
workmad3, it only supports the pairs
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<workmad3>
centrx: shame :)
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<centrx>
shevy, It got that reputation long ago though. Ruby 1.8 -> Ruby 2.1 must be a humongous speed improvement
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<mwlang>
1.8 to 2.0 for me was a huge speed improvement.
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<mwlang>
all the syntax changes also made the upgrade a challenge.
<centrx>
2.0 -> 2.1 is seamless
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<centrx>
So I don't see much of a downside for doing it
<mwlang>
yeah, it should be…its more of an effort thing.
<centrx>
1.9 was heavy on backwards-INcompatible syntax changes
<mwlang>
upgrade, test, repeat for production.
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<mwlang>
any improvements to the garbage collection?
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<centrx>
Yes, that is responsible for a part of the speed improvement undoubtedly
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<centrx>
Performance is the major reason to upgrade right now, unless you are interested in any of the minor features added, like Array#to_h or String#scrub or refinements
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<workmad3>
there were some issues with gc on 2.1.0 and 2.1.1 I believe (as in an outright bug in the capping of maximum alloc sizes), but they're fixed in 2.1.2
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<mwlang>
ah-ha…there’s the kind of info I was fishing for. Good to know its been fixed.
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<centrx>
bad constants I believe was the issue
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<mwlang>
this is potentially interesting: “def” returns a symbol of method name
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<workmad3>
mwlang: yeah, that was a change to allow 'private def foobar' to work (seeing as def didn't return anything in MRI and the method name seemed sensible)
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<mwlang>
m17n verifying and fixing invalid byte sequences is another.
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<arup_r1>
hi
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<jherbst>
test
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<agent_white>
/ws
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<agent_white>
woops
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<nobitanobi>
Hey guys. How can I get the first N characters of a string without breaking words?
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<shevy>
nobitanobi can't you split it up?
<shevy>
first get it into a string, then split on a regex?
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<nobitanobi>
the only problem here is that I need three chunks. First chunk is 35 characters and the other two 25 characters.
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<Mon_Ouie>
What do you mean? Should the result be strictly less than N chars? If the Nth char is in the middle of a word, should you continue until the end of that word? What if the first word is more than N chars?
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<nobitanobi>
Mon_Ouie: the result should be strictly less than N characters.
<nobitanobi>
If the first word is more than N chars, just return empty string
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<nobitanobi>
I like this approach str.scan(/.{1,25}\W/) -- However, I just need three chunks. First of max 25 characters, and the other two a max of 35 characters.
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<nobitanobi>
(obviously clever enough to know where the previous chunks have finished.)
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<toretore>
strscan
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<eam>
is there a good way in ruby to define a regex without using // ?
<eam>
like, my regex contains many literal "/" so I'd like to use a different delimiter
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<eam>
similar to how %w{} or %w// can use various delimiters
<agent_white>
eam: %r[]
<eam>
eg %w/}/ is nicer to write than %w{\}}
<eam>
agent_white: ah perfect, thanks
<shevy>
Regexp.quote()
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<shevy>
Regexp.quote("abc^") # => "abc\\^"
<shevy>
why is the bot not here :(
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<eam>
I love that this works in ruby just like perl: 2.1.0 :039 > % foo => "foo"
<eam>
arbitrary characters as separators, including whitespace
<shevy>
what is where there
<shevy>
aaaah
<eam>
gross yes
<shevy>
I didn't even manage to know what you typed there
<eam>
the bot would make it more clear
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<agent_white>
shevy: "It is day two without 'eval-in'. The rubyists have become desparate..."
<shevy>
man
<shevy>
indeed
<shevy>
and I am out of beer too
<agent_white>
D:
<shevy>
doesn't any of you have a replacement bot ready?
<agent_white>
shevy: I started to write one... but I need to look into sandboxing.
<shevy>
agent_white you could just trust us instead :>
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<eam>
open source it and I guarantee people will run offline attacks against it
<shevy>
hehehe
<shevy>
hey
<shevy>
what's with the source
<shevy>
let the bot run!
<Mon_Ouie>
Well, he just has to make it free of any vulnerabilities then, right?
<eam>
not possible
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<agent_white>
shevy: Nah I just don't trust myself with it... I'll try and break it right away ;D
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<centrx>
charliesome said the machine with the bot on it died
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<myeyesareblind>
hi guys, trying to figure out how Celluloid works. Say I want to send msg to self object, Celluloid.current_actor.async doesn't work for some reason =(
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<myeyesareblind>
any tips?
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<toretore>
myeyesareblind: code?
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<myeyesareblind>
sec
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<xeno__>
What should I have done, or should I do next, to make a canonical path? I thought I followed the directions?
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<xeno__>
xeno@ugvm:~$ rbenv local 2.0.0-dev
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<agent_white>
/quit brb
<agent_white>
eep
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<toretore>
myeyesareblind: why are you doing that in initialize?
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<myeyesareblind>
IRCClient#initialize?>
<toretore>
both of them
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<joelteon>
does bundler pay attention to CFLAGS and LDFLAGS when it tries to build native extensions?
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<myeyesareblind>
well, I want to get read from socket in class Listener, and once the msg comes in, call the method on a IRCClient. Listener in inited with proc, when the msg is received, the proc gets called
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<myeyesareblind>
code works if I change Actor.current.async to self.method_received (line 30), but i want to call this method async
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<toretore>
why?
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<xeno__>
I think I have it toretore. Thanks for the nudge.
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<myeyesareblind>
otherwise it would stop listen until the method_received is finished running
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<toretore>
Actor.current is going to be a Listener at that point
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<myeyesareblind>
nope
<myeyesareblind>
i logged it, self is IRCClient at that point
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<toretore>
self != Actor.current
<toretore>
that's why Actor.currenc exists
<myeyesareblind>
oh I see
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<myeyesareblind>
how what I fix this>
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<myeyesareblind>
how would I fix this? *
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<toretore>
you answered your own question
<toretore>
self is the IRCClient
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<myeyesareblind>
self.async doesn't work ^_^
<toretore>
define doesn't work
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<myeyesareblind>
thank you
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<dvabr>
Hi guys.
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<dvabr>
A friend of mine has been developing this gem for a while. This gem makes sure no translations are missing, and that all translations are used. It also can translate missing keys with Google Translate and other smart features. I'd appreciate if you can take a look and possibly give some input on how to spread the word about this gem.
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<GlenK>
very off topic, but ruby dudes are rad these days, so anyone know the terminoligy to use when refering to the items in a from clause in a sql query?
<GlenK>
sorry sorry, but other channels fail me at this point. I'm impatient I suppose
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<GlenK>
ha, lacking any other options, I suppose I'll just go with "from thingys"
<GlenK>
=)
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<banister>
apeiros can u use your german -> english engine and tell me what this means? is it really saying i can expect it today/tomorrow but it hasn't even been sent yet? http://cl.ly/image/1l1K2x471w2u
<banister>
bhaak thanks, but i dont understand how that can make any sense, it's estimated to arrive today/tomorrow yet it hasn't even been sent ?
<banister>
it takes at least 3-5 days to arrive here from germany
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<bhaak>
banister: yes, that doesn't make any sense. there's a link "Naehere Informationen" which means "further details". maybe there it is explained better. but I guess some estimation is just way off.
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<hynkel>
hello
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<agent_white>
Heya
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<hynkel>
I am working on an IRC-Client. Unfortunately, I get an "SASL access only"-message. Can someone help me out here?
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<zalmoxes>
how do i specify a varible to get a range in an array without the variable becoming a symbol.... i need to get array[:range] but it's interpreting range as :range
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<Pulpie>
So i have a string like this: '#{somevar}
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<Pulpie>
erm
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<Pulpie>
end quote
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<Mon_Ouie>
…and somevar doesn't get interpolated in that string? :)
<joelteon>
'
<Pulpie>
anyways so I have a string like '#{somevar}' and I want to convert the string to "#{somevar}" so that it evaulates properly.
<joelteon>
there you go
<Mon_Ouie>
Use double quotes, not single quotes
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<agent_white>
zalmoxes: Not sure really what you mean... array[0..2] gets the first 3 elements.
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<Pulpie>
Mon_Ouie: of course but this string is in a database so I cant
<zalmoxes>
agent_white: thanks
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<Pulpie>
so I want to convert the single quote string to a double quote one.
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<Pulpie>
is there like a String.eval() thing?
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<hynkel>
thank you, agent_white, I'll see what I can do
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<zalmoxes>
i was trying to do array[:2] array[:3] and so on, so i was using array[:index]. using array[0..index] solved the issue.
<agent_white>
:D
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<joelteon>
Pulpie, why do you have interpolation in strings in the database
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<Mon_Ouie>
Oh, okay. Well to have it behave exactly like string interpolation would require evaluating code which isn't the safest thing… Does it have to be formatted that way? Can't you use "foo bar %{foo}" along with String#%? Or even a templating engine designed for such usage like ERB?
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<Mon_Ouie>
Still ERB is probably more appropriate
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<banister>
Mon_Ouie you're a very helpful fellow recently, how come? are you in love?
<sjouke>
is this an invalid test: test "I should be able to create a car" do ... end
<sjouke>
If you are testing the car model
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<Pulpie>
banister: are you sayign I should use the tr method or the to_r method?
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<banister>
Pulpie im not saying anything to you
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<Mon_Ouie>
Well that's rude
<godd2>
sjouke it's not "invalid", but we usually don't test the ability to run Car.new
<Pulpie>
bauhaus1919: ^^
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<Pulpie>
banister: my bad wrong person
<joelteon>
how do I get gem install to tell me what the gem-specific arguments are?
<sjouke>
godd2: ah!
<joelteon>
like --with-lib-include and friends
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<bauhaus1919>
um Pulpie?
<godd2>
sjouke: I wouldn't worry about one test being good/bad when you're learning how to test. Focus on the syntax of testing. writing good tests comes later after experience
<Mon_Ouie>
bauhaus1919: Your program doesn't work because because at line 17 inside the server method, you call the server method
<bauhaus1919>
sever.accept?
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<Mon_Ouie>
At line 10 you declare a local variable which can't be seen from inside the method
<bauhaus1919>
right also, should i have recieved a name error? server does not have an accept
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<Mon_Ouie>
But server is an infinite recursion
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<Mon_Ouie>
It keeps on calling itself, and never terminates. So accept is never called.
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<Mon_Ouie>
Also in general: Always assume your code is wrong first. When it is certain that it isn't, check the libraries that you're using. Only then should you suspect compiler bugs…
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<bauhaus1919>
um it will call the server without evaluating the .accept ?
<bauhaus1919>
Mon_Ouie: ^
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<mousa>
has anyone tried Ruby apps on Openshift?
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<pipework>
I deployed a jruby app once.
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<Mon_Ouie>
"server.accept" first evaluates server then calls accept on the result of that
<Mon_Ouie>
Since the first of those two steps never finishes the second never happens
<bauhaus1919>
i see, thank you, that was the questions
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<mousa>
I am new to both ruby and openshift. deploying a php app was simple. Just git pushed. However, with Ruby cartridge, nothing works except the file they provided
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<sjouke>
let's say i want to create an openstreetmap clone, and let's say i'm focused primarily on streets right now. a street has associated with it coordinates, status attribute (damanged, construction), number of lanes. as a user of the service, i need the ability to create a street, find a street based on coords, list all streets in the db, list all streets near a coordinate, list all streets near a coordinate range, update a street's status, delete a street.
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<shevy>
it sounds rather borked up when you can use only a file that others provide for you
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<pipework>
shevy: You sound like you amuse yourself.
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<shevy>
pipework I am always in a good mood
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<diegoviola>
is that because of ruby?
<diegoviola>
"I hope to see Ruby help every programmer in the world to be productive, and to enjoy programming, and to be happy. That is the primary purpose of Ruby language." -- matz
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<benzrf>
yep:
<benzrf>
[6] pry(main)> (2**(8*8)).size
<benzrf>
=> 12
<benzrf>
[7] pry(main)> (2**(8*8) - 1).size
<benzrf>
=> 8
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<maletor>
so 32 bit machines might address 4? my 64 bit machines is addressing 8?
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<zenspider>
yup
<gzl>
yeah.
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<ramblinpeck>
related to that, is there a way to coerce a BigNum into being unsigned so that it plays nicely with Postgres BigInt? 64 bit number (hash) doesn't seem to fit and I think it has something to do with signedness
<maletor>
ty
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<zenspider>
ramblinpeck: not that I know of... what troubles are you seeing?
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<ramblinpeck>
hmm, zenspider: trying to insert 10656384688006670483 into a bigint column gives me: PG::NumericValueOutOfRange: ERROR: bigint out of range
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<ramblinpeck>
10656384688006670483.bit_length is 64, so I'd think it would fit, but I think postgresql bigint is signed so its a 63 bit with the MSB used for signed-ness
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<ramblinpeck>
perhaps I'm going down the wrong trail here though, larger problem I'm trying to solve is storing a 64-bit hash into postgresql and using that for quick xor to find nearest neighbors
<ramblinpeck>
so I'm not bound to bigint there, I could proobably do a bitfield of some sort, but just figured I'd go simplest first if I could
<zenspider>
yeah. that number is greater than max on a 64 bit signed int, but not if the db is unsigned.
<zenspider>
I dunno if Pg has that type
<ramblinpeck>
yeah, PG doesn't have an unsigned bigint
<ramblinpeck>
have to go to numeric after that which doesn't have an xor function
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<ramblinpeck>
so goes to the more low level types
<zenspider>
:/
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<ramblinpeck>
alright, well at least some validation that I wasn't missing something obvious
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<zenspider>
if the pg bignum is signed, and you're generating unsigned hashes on the ruby side, you should be able to put it in pg as a 2s compliment binary.
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<zenspider>
ramblinpeck: ^^
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<ramblinpeck>
right, any pointers on how to do that part?
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<ramblinpeck>
I guess bignum -> binary representation -> 2's bignum
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<zenspider>
ramblinpeck: there's prolly a smarter way, but I usually pull this type of solution out of my ass: [n].pack("Q").unpack("q")
<zenspider>
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<eam>
there's a code smell joke here somewhere
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<ramblinpeck>
zenspider: thanks, I'll look at that
<ramblinpeck>
eam: :)
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<zenspider>
eam: what are you talking about? my butt smells like roses
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<eam>
no one ever talks about code that smells good huh
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<shevy>
my code is poetry
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<shevy>
I don't want to smell it like roses though
<shevy>
more ... it should smell like
<shevy>
old ninja
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<joelteon>
hi, bundle is trying to reinstall libv8-3.16.14.3 even though it's already on my system. I don't want to rebuild it because that takes a long time.
<joelteon>
shouldn't it not be trying to reinstall?
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<joelteon>
Is it because I'm specifying a --path argument?
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<Symbiosisz>
If I have a RSpec related question, is this the place to ask it? Or is there a more appropriate channel?
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<Symbiosisz>
Oh, disregard that -- just saw the rspec channel.
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<zenspider>
eh. just ask the question. we'll tell you if you should ask it elsewhere :)
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<Symbiosisz>
lts in "send" being called. I can't quite figure out how to test that. The easiest way I can think of is to be able to take the final resultss from the if (calls authenticate if ...) block and then continue on assuming we reach that stagebut I'm not sure if I can do that. So the only way I'm able to do it now is to just repeat everything I wrote in that prior test, then add on the next step -- which clearly isn't DRY.
<zenspider>
damn that's a lot of text
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<Symbiosisz>
sorry!
<zenspider>
send is a really bad name
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<Symbiosisz>
Ya, fair point. I should change that.
<zenspider>
ri Object.send
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<zenspider>
I doubt I'm going to be much help in this style of testing. maybe someone who appreciates BDD can chime in
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<Symbiosisz>
no sweat, thanks for taking a look!
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<zenspider>
eg, your first test doesn't need any mocking at all. it'd raise anyways. your second test is only testing that the word "authenticate" is in the method. I don't see the point. but maybe that's just me
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<Symbiosisz>
zenspider: While that test isn't particualrly useful on its own, waht happens next is. Once authenticate is called, I want to verifyt that the GameSocket object is receiving a sendPacket call.
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<Symbiosisz>
So, as far as I understand, I have to construct the object up to that point to ensure that the next step in its sequence occurs.
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<zenspider>
but you're not constructing (real) objects. you're constructing a shit ton of mocks. mock last. you won't mock yourself into a corner that way.
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<zenspider>
what I'm not seeing are tests that failed before you implemented stuff.
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<awc737>
that's just a paste site
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<Symbiosisz>
A general question about testing: I know that with normal methods in my program we should keep it brief, but I've read int he past it's okay to have fairly long test method names so they can be sufficiently descriptive. Would a name like this be okay for a test? def testThatAuthenticatePacketIsSentAfterConnectionEstablished
<Symbiosisz>
Or should I use a less lengthy name and just add a comment explaining it
<centrx>
Ruby style for methods is snake case, not camel case
<Symbiosisz>
centrx: Is it really? Crap, thought that was only for variables.
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<zenspider>
Symbiosisz: if you're using minitest, you can combine minitest/spec and minitest/test. Use describe/it but with assertions. whatever feels comfortable
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