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<shevy> what do you say to these awesome colours! http://i.imgur.com/O3ImQTu.png
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<wallerdev> too bright
<wallerdev> i used to have a customized color set that i really liked
<pipework> shevy: Don't quit your day job.
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<shevy> haha
<wallerdev> was based on railscasts textmate theme but had some adjustments
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<wallerdev> thats railscasts
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<pipework> RIP
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<wallerdev> oh is railscasts dead?
<wallerdev> haha
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<zenspider> why would I edit in my terminal if I don't have to?
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<wallerdev> sometimes its convenient like ssh
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<wallerdev> oh wow they have an erlang example?
<wallerdev> lol
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<kristian-aalborg> inukshuk, my hero!
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<kristian-aalborg> ah, he's AFK
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<scripore> is there anything similar Seeing Is Believing? https://github.com/JoshCheek/seeing_is_believing
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<scripore> I'm unable to integrate it into my Sublime Text so I'm looking for an alternative to Seeing Is Believing
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<work_op> whoa, thats really cool
<work_op> how come you cant just use that?
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<scripore> work_op just got it working with atom instead of sublime text. not just how useful this feature will be though.
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<work_op> i have used light table with clojure, and it comes in handy. i didnt know such a thing was possible with ruby though
<scripore> oh, I see. I mostly just use binding.pry when debugging Ruby code. still very new to programming in general.
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<work_op> yeah thats not ok, using seeing is believing leaves a shit ton of comments if atom is closed while the plugin is running
<work_op> just littered a couple thousand lines with long comments...
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<work_op> that plugin is kinda rough around the edges, but it works well. i also realized you can remove the comments it leaves with ctrl+super+v
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<scripore> oh, I'm gonna leave it installed on my Atom editor but I don't think I'll really use it.
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<toothe> how do I install ruby on Ubuntu?
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<toothe> is it just apt-get install ruby-all?
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<zubov> toothe: if you want older ruby then that should work if you want current ruby then i recommend something like rvm.io
<weaksauce> toothe use ruby-instal
<weaksauce> install*
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<weaksauce> and chruby
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<toothe> weaksauce: how do I get ruby-instal?
<toothe> install* (same typo as you)
<weaksauce> ha. well you have to install it
<toothe> so, apt-get that one?
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<weaksauce> follow the instructions here: https://github.com/postmodern/ruby-install
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<rgrinberg> What ended up happening to that rvm rewrite? The sh -> ruby one
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<toothe> hm..having trouble getting ruby-install installed
<toothe> not sure where to get that from.
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<toothe> weaksauce: having trouble...
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<weaksauce> what is the error
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<toothe> oh, i just found your guide.
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<pragmatism> As a non-computer-scientist gone engineer, what would you consider the most important mathmatical subjects to study?
<pragmatism> (My background is in neuroscience)
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<zubov> Linear Algebra
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<pragmatism> Really? Why?
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<pragmatism> Isn't that more for people in to writing video game engines?
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<mnemon> pragmatism: well, it really depends on what you're doing ... (engineer doesn't tell much)
<pragmatism> sorry:
<pragmatism> APIs, web software
<pragmatism> looking to get in to more powerful backend stuff
<pragmatism> looking for necessary knowledge to invent
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<pragmatism> I spend a lot of my time writing high performance stuff in ruby (reactor pattern)
<pragmatism> I've started studying algorithms, but I'm curious what one might consider the basic mathmatical crednetials of a software engineer
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<zubov> for web & API imo you do not need much more than College Algebra/Trig/Statistics
<pragmatism> Huh
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<pragmatism> I guess I'll just find something I find interesting then
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<zubov> if you were to go for a CS degree to be a computer science engineer you need Calculus/Linear Algebra etc
<pragmatism> Calc I have
<pragmatism> Linear I do not.
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<zubov> Check this book out if you so desire http://amzn.to/1KzLQtP
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<agent_white> Noty
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<toothe> okay, im lost
<toothe> I just used ruby-install to install ruby
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<agent_white> toothe: What are you lost about?
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<toothe> i did 'ruby-install ruby', i think it installed...but I don't see the ruby binary installed anywhere.
<toothe> its not in my $PATH variable.
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<agent_white> toothe: "ruby-install" ? Where'd you get that?
<toothe> weaksauce: told me to use that...
<toothe> is there an actual way?
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<toothe> aalkajsdfkasdf, how do I install ruby?
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<toothe> i've tried apt-get install ruby...but apparently that's an old version so its bad
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<toothe> how do I install the latest version of ruby??
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<Abhijit> toothe, rvm
<toothe> how do I get rvm?
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<Abhijit> google rvm.io
<Abhijit> or directly type in your browser.
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<toothe> im there
<Abhijit> good.
<toothe> i did the two steps.
<toothe> but i don't et rvm...
<Abhijit> source /path/rvm
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<toothe> what is the /path/rvm? what should it be?
<Abhijit> :-(
<toothe> like...where do I get rvm? that site. where does it install it?
<Abhijit> toothe, rtfm from the line one on the website. then when it start installing in your terminal it will print all imp messages there.
<toothe> i did! i did!
<toothe> i got multiple solutions
<Abhijit> amm?
<toothe> some said apt-get, some said ruby-install, now im gettin rvm...
<Abhijit> toothe, https://rvm.io/rvm/install
<idiocrash> sup guise
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<_1_zeid> hi
<sandelius> I have some weird problem with minitest expectations. Before I always used obj.must_be_instance_of Foo but now it raises "wrong number of arguments (1 for 2..3)". I'm using 2.2 and I can't find any refrrence to this change. any ideas?
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<sandelius> Feels like he's trying to use the assert type?
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<toothe> so, i just DL'ed ruby using rvm...it gave an old version of ruby
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<agent_white> toothe: What command did you give rvm to download ruby?
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<agent_white> toothe: What do you mean by "old version of ruby"
<toothe> /bin/sh: 1: ruby: not found
<agent_white> toothe: What output do you get from "ruby -v" ?
<toothe> jruby 1.7.19 (1.9.3p551) 2015-01-29 20786bd on Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM 1.8.0_31-b13 +jit [linux-amd64]
<toothe> 1.7.19
<agent_white> toothe: Alrighty... how about this
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<agent_white> toothe: Run `rvm install 2.2.0`
<agent_white> toothe: Then `rvm use 2.2.0 --default`
<agent_white> Then close out of ALL your open terminal windows. And open a new one.
<toothe> i think that did it...
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<agent_white> toothe: `ruby -v` to find out of it did :)
<toothe> that did it
<agent_white> Cheers! Welcome to the sheer terror and excitement that is Ruby!
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<toothe> now rails server fails....
<toothe> builder coul not find compatible version of gem json
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<toothe> gem install json -- that was easy enough
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<agent_white> :)
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<toothe> yeah...this guide is failing
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<agent_white> toothe: What are you following?
<toothe> let met formulate a clearer answer
<toothe> err, question
<agent_white> toothe: I would recommand Rails 4 In Action. It's much clearer and more comprehensive.
<agent_white> I started with Hartl's tut and blew through it, but took my time through R4iA.
<toothe> i think i have to follow this guide....
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<toothe> so I do 'rails server' and I get errors
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<toothe> im extremely brand new to ruby and would not be able to trouble-shoot that just yet
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<toothe> okay...im really frustrated now
<toothe> im going to start all over and delete everything
<toothe> because I keep getting dependency errors
<toothe> and its not just gems
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<agent_white> toothe: Keep pastie'ing your error output
<agent_white> We can help out :)
<toothe> i am starting over :-(
<toothe> i got frustrated
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<agent_white> toothe: You probably will get that error again, but no worries. Just need to install a javascript engine ("javascript runtime")
<agent_white> toothe: Let me know if or when you hit an error.
<toothe> sure, thanks!
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<toothe> i had this same problem with python when I first started
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<agent_white> and brb
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<toothe> okay, so here's the error I got
<toothe> bash: /usr/local/bin/rails: /usr/bin/ruby1.9.1: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
<toothe> I did 'rails new hello_app'
<agent_white> toothe: Look at your ruby version
<agent_white> toothe: Remember, we installed 2.2.0?
<agent_white> `ruby -v`
<toothe> hm..command not found
<toothe> for ruby
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<toothe> i went through the quickguide
<agent_white> toothe: What OS are you on?
<toothe> Ubuntu 14.04
<toothe> wait, there it goes...had to refresh my terminal
<agent_white> toothe: Alrighty
<agent_white> toothe: :) Aye, after installing rvm and setting default ruby, best to have closed out of ALL your terminals and started fresh
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<frogsy> Quick question: using the SQLite3 gem, what's the preferred way to check if an update statement affected any rows?
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<agent_white> frogsy: Look into PG::Result ?
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<agent_white> toothe: Get it all working?
<arup_r> anybody help me to apply SRP in my code : https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/a20ec961bc1c311e080d Its working... but doing too many things.. not able to separate out.. some pointers please
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<arup_r> which design pattern help me to rearrange this... any pointer?
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<shevy> it's called
<shevy> your brain!
<hanmac> fuck i HATE adobe! hopefully it does die very soon
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<shevy> haha
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<arup_r> shevy: means? me?
<shevy> yes!
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<shevy> create your own patterns!
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<arup_r> then shevy : people will call me what ? Uncle <?>
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<shevy> Uncle arup!
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<arup_r> Aww!,.. not so sweet like "Bob"
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<agent_white> Bob's a good man.
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<arup_r> agent_white: I know
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<agent_white> Weechat is crazy beans.
<agent_white> It's like my irssi took some LSD.
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<shevy> you and your peechat man
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<agent_white> Inorite?
<agent_white> ;D
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<agent_white> I had to try it... I've just been annoyed about running two instances of irssi JUST because of vertical splits.
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<shevy> van damme did the best splits
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<agent_white> Truths
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<agent_white> If only he was an irssi maintainer.
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<shevy> haha
<shevy> from movie action star
<shevy> to irssi maintainer
<shevy> quite a career path
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<arup_r> any better way to stop method overriding by subclass ? I found one way - https://www.ruby-forum.com/topic/192487#839152
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<arup_r> I don't want a base class method not to be overriden by any of its subclass ?
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<agent_white> shevy: idk, there's those kids younger than 14 who get their kernel patches accepted for fixing grammer
<agent_white> grammar even lolol
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> well see how this is in life
<shevy> you are great when you are young
<agent_white> So maybe it's not a longshot... plus irssi devs probs would shit their pants seeing what vertical splits can do
<shevy> then you get older
<shevy> and your performance gets worse
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<agent_white> Well cause you drink more
<agent_white> So really, your drinking performance gets better
<agent_white> And apathy also increases
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<agent_white> :D
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* agent_white welcomes wrinklyballs
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<shevy> so
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<shevy> we need to make ruby more kickass
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<agent_white> Like...
<agent_white> Spandex-kickass?!
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<shevy> no I mean
<shevy> awesome
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<agent_white> Ruby is kickass already :)
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<agent_white> It's more "how to explain to people how ruby is so kickass"
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<poikon> sometimes it’s not
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<apeiros_> noway!!!!1!
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<shevy> I forgot... why is {} faster than Hash.new again?
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<apeiros_> shevy: no method call. might also be prepared mostly at parse time already.
<apeiros_> (latter only matters for e.g. iterations)
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<poikon> also with hash.new you can pass in a block, an overhead not present with the object literal
<agent_white> Hash.new also has more syscalls than {}
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<agent_white> (if that counts)
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<ton31337> does ruby has a feature like python has? a = "testing"; print a[1:]
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<poikon> does that mean that Class.new(parentclass) is less performant that class Child < Parent; end ?
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<poikon> ton31337: if you can explain to me what a[1:] returns in that snippet
<poikon> i’m not familiar with python
<ton31337> poikon: it returns 'esting'
<wasamasa> syntax is different though
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<wasamasa> and more importantly, it allows you a few different things, such as throwing RE into the mix
<apeiros_> ton31337: 1..-1
<blizzy> so I have two instances of the same class running. they both share a set of methods. is there a way to find out which instance called the method?
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<ton31337> thanks
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<apeiros_> blizzy: pass the instance as an argument
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<apeiros_> or well, if the method is called on the object itself, just use self
<poikon> ton31337: a.slice(1..-1)
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<blizzy> I'll explain this more. I'm making a bot. I can run two bots at the same time, however, they'll both be at different locations. they both have a set of commands. I want to be able to keep their command data different.
<apeiros_> "at different locations"?
<apeiros_> so they're not even running on the same machine?
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<blizzy> they both are running on the same machine, but like for example, if I run two bots, both will log the chat. if one is running in #ruby and the other in #python, I don't want the one in #python to use logs from the one in #ruby and vise versa
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<apeiros_> *vice versa
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<blizzy> thanks
<agent_white> eep
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<apeiros_> blizzy: well, read out in which channel it is running
<apeiros_> I don't know the architecture of your bot and I don't intend to read through your whole project just to figure that
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<blizzy> ok, sorry then. :L
<agent_white> shevy: I asked a friend about how to judge which wouldbe faster (Hash.new vs {}). He said to 'read the bytecode'. Am I close in looking here? -- https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/e567f351c287dcfdf1c25518cca140d661c01985/hash.c#L325
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<agent_white> Maybe I need to make another nick to ask questions like this... In the channels I ask I don't get helpful feedback :(
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<apeiros_> agent_white: that's the C code, the implementation. that's not the bytecode. the bytecode is generated after parsing your ruby code.
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<agent_white> apeiros_: Ahhh! So can I "generate the bytecode" to compare the two like my buddy was suggesting?
<apeiros_> yes
<freedollars> What is the best way to pass data from a class method to an instance method? I wouldn't want to set an instance variable from the class method, right?
<apeiros_> freedollars: you couldn't anyway
<apeiros_> freedollars: why don't you pass it as an argument?
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<freedollars> apeiros_: the argument residing in the instance method or class method?
<apeiros_> freedollars: hu?
<agent_white> apeiros_: I hate to ask... but any tips on keywords to look for? I'm attempting google-fu but only turning up results about jruby and rubinius
<apeiros_> agent_white: ask your buddy?
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<apeiros_> agent_white: RubyVM class I believe
<agent_white> apeiros_: When I asked him that same question you answered for me first, he just said "maybe"
<apeiros_> freedollars: an argument does not "reside" anywhere. arguments are passed.
<agent_white> So I'm hesitant to ask.
<agent_white> :(
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<freedollars> apeiros_: right, i mean would i pass the argument to the instance or class method in your suggestion?
<agent_white> Sometimes #learnprogramming doesn't offer help to learn programming. :P
<apeiros_> freedollars: your question makes no sense to me
<agent_white> apeiros_: Thank you, I'll look into it :) I appreciate it!
<apeiros_> freedollars: you asked "What is the best way to pass data from a class method to an instance method?"
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<apeiros_> freedollars: and I tell you "as an argument"
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<apeiros_> oh dear, this is difficult. album has many images through album_images. image has many resized_images. and now I need an sql query to select the best sized resized_images of an album.
<freedollars> apeiros_: here's an example: http://pastebin.com/cn8eyZup -- you can see that I want to use the results from the private method (or class method) in the instance class
<apeiros_> too bad some advanced sql techniques are not available in all db's. maybe that's the moment I should switch this thingy from sqlite to pg.
<apeiros_> freedollars: use gist.github.com and I'll take a look.
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<apeiros_> freedollars: there is no class method in this code
<freedollars> apeiros_: right, I had changed it to a private method in this example. Would the method be different with a priv method?
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<apeiros_> freedollars: are you new to ruby/programming? it seems to me you're wildly confusing concepts which makes it hard for me to figure where to even begin.
<freedollars> apeiros_: not well versed in OOP, I must not be explaining this right, sorry for the confusion.
<apeiros_> freedollars: so in the code you gisted, what exactly is your problem? (because that code has *nothing* to do with "how do I pass data from class method to instance method")
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<freedollars> apeiros_: i'm just trying to figure out what is the /right/ way to get results from a private or class method into an instance method. since I wouldn't set an instance variable with those two methods. would I just call it like `results = priv_method` from the instance method?
<apeiros_> freedollars: private and class methods have *nothing* to do with each other.
<apeiros_> they are not related in any way.
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<apeiros_> and you usually get *results* from a method by its return value.
<apeiros_> and yes, that's `somevar = somemethod(…)`
<freedollars> so if i have a class method, i shoudn't set some instance variables for its result, i should just call that from an instance method and load the results into a local variable of the instance method?
<apeiros_> really, you're making a mess of concepts. I strongly suggest you read some book about ruby 101.
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<freedollars> apeiros_: will do more research, thanks for the help.
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<apeiros_> and I can't answer that last question due to that mess. it makes no sense. or make an actual example involving a class method.
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<apeiros_> hah, got it
<apeiros_> only 2 subselects and a join away. that's almost harmless :D
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<apeiros> "ActiveRecord: 2.9ms" to load the full gallery :D
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<apeiros> 3 queries - load the album, load the previews, load the full sized images
<apeiros> should have said "to load the full album" (but the gallery atm only has a single album, so it's correct to a degree)
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<et09> how do i sort an array of objects with another array with their keys in order?
<et09> best practices
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<apeiros> et09: create a hash {obj => index} from your ordered array. then use ary.sort_by
<apeiros> et09: also "array of objects" is redundant. every array is an array of objects (except an empty one, I guess)
<et09> array of hashes *
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<apeiros> s/{obj => index}/{key => index}/
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<cwood> I'm trying to find what I would do to "killall -9" some copies of a running script, but if I "killall -9 ruby" it would take out other running ruby processes. Google-fu is failing me. Any hints, possibly?
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<wasamasa> use pgrep to find the processes in a better way
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<cwood> I thought so, but doing 'pgrep randogg' does not list the process in question.
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<cwood> Whereas 'pgrep ruby' does.
<pontiki> you should have gotten the process id out of that
<cwood> If ps -ef | grep randogg lists "ruby /home/cwood/files/git/home/bin/randogg -rv", 'pgrep randogg' doesn't find me a pid. Maybe if I pick the full path?
<cwood> Nope, pgrep isn't finding that.
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<pontiki> ps -ef should
<pontiki> it's usually the 2nd column after the user
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<cwood> At this point I'm more trying to find out how I could set a better process name. Perl for some reason lets me refer to the process by the 'randogg' name, but I'd rather do it in ruby.
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<pontiki> cwood: try setting $0 to the name you want to use
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<cwood> I tried it, I got "no process found".
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<pontiki> in your randogg script??
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<cwood> Yes, $0 = 'randogg' right below all the requires
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<pontiki> idk, works for me
<pontiki> sure you got the right kind of quotes?
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<cwood> What is your ruby version?
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<pontiki> 2.0.0
<cwood> This is an example of what's not working to kill randogg: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1709ad1025858d3ebe4d
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<cwood> Hm, I'm 1.9.3. I'll try updating and see if my behaviour is different.
<pontiki> i'll try it on 2.2.0
<pontiki> i don't think i have a 1.9.3 to try it on
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<catsoup> are you sure you actually need kill -9, too? i know this isn't your main question but it's generally not a good idea if you can avoid it.
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<cwood> In this case it doesn't harm persistent state or anything, and I've had the script get stuck due to my own (ahem) skill, so I'm good with -9 for now.
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<waxjar> just tried it out, pgrep doesn't list it for me either (on both 1.9.3 and 2.2.0), but grep -x | grep "randogg" works fine :)
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<waxjar> os x, this is
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<cwood> Debian Wheezy here. The pgrep -x randogg doesn't return anything.
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<waxjar> s/grep -x/ps -x/
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<waxjar> pgrep "ruby" on the other hand, works fine :p
<cwood> Interesting, cwood and waxjar don't see it, pontiki doesn't have this issue.
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<cwood> pontiki, what's your OS version?
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<cwood> I see the same behaviour with an interpreter set to '#!/home/cwood/.rvm/rubies/ruby-2.2.0/bin/ruby', so I suspect the issue isn't ruby but underlying system behaviour.
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<pontiki> os/x
<pontiki> i have ubu14.04 on a vm, let me try that
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<pontiki> cwood: try pkill -f randogg
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<cwood> Tried it already, it kills my editor session with randogg.rb open. :p
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<cwood> (As well as the original target.)
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<waxjar> i suppose you can only give it a cosmetic kinda title, like $0 does. after all you're invoking the ruby binary
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<waxjar> you could store a pidfile (a file with the processes' pid in it) or output the pid before sending it off to the background if it's a deamon
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<waxjar> then use the pidfile / pid to kill the process
<cwood> I think I might just end up using Process.pid instead of killing by name.
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<cwood> Thank you both for your help, I'm definitely closer to the naming thing.
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<pontiki> yeah, i'm stumped, unless do a bit more commandline-fu
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<cwood> It doesn't sound like a ruby thing, though. I'm going to ask stackoverflow and work up some stub examples, see if anybody knows what gives.
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<pontiki> cool. i'd be interested in knowing
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<havenwood> Process.setproctitle 'randogg'
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<havenwood> Ruby 2.1+ ^
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<cwood> Gives me the same result, unfortunately.
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<cwood> (same as $0 = )
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<cwood> I mean, rather, that I get the same behaviour from killall after using Process.setproctitle.
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<havenwood> cwood: Maybe I didn't follow the issue. Is it something other than the process title not being visible to the ps command?
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<cwood> If I have something like https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1709ad1025858d3ebe4d I have to "killall ruby" rather than "killall progname". Trying to figure out how I would set the process so that it can be killed by name not interpreter.
<havenwood> cwood: Process.setproctitle works for me
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<cwood> With the killall capability? That's two it works for, and two it doesn't. Odd.
<havenwood> cwood: OS X? Should work. It's system dependant, but yeah BSDs should work.
<havenwood> cwood: I have success from 2.1 and 2.2.
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<cwood> I get "no process found" with 2.2.0.
<waxjar> killall works here too yea, even with $0 and 1.9.3 :)
<cwood> killall (PSmisc) 22.19
<cwood> If you do a killall --version?
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<cwood> Okay, brain spasm. Must go rest. Thank you all, I will resume later.
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<atmosx> aloha
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<shevy> hey atmosx
<atmosx> hey shevy
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<arup_r> shevy: I'm creating my own pattern
<arup_r> :(
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<shevy> yay!
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<shevy> you are on the way to enlightenment
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<arup_r> shevy: that's a blessing or cursing... :)
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<arup_r> ?
<shevy> dunno
<shevy> if you get wiser then it surely must be a good thing
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<pontiki> the truth will set you free, but at first it will piss you off and not let you free until it's done with you
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<shevy> hahaha
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<patrick99e99> hey ruby buddies... I have a ruby project I am working on, and I just upgraded to ruby 2.2, and when I use rake now, my path no longer has my gems in it, so the various require statements are broken. If I use bundle exec rake, then it appears the paths are there. I am a bit confused by this, and wondering how I can get have my gems in the path without using bundle exec
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<allen> Hi everyone. Why does this method returns false? { book_1 = "A Wrinkle" book_2 = "A Brief History of Time" return book_1 < book_2 } book_1 is shorter than book_2
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<miah> patrick99e99: try 'bundle install'
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<havenwood> >> 'x' > 'aa'
<eval-in__> havenwood => true (https://eval.in/280208)
<havenwood> >> 'x'.size > 'aa'.size
<eval-in__> havenwood => false (https://eval.in/280209)
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<allen> havenwood with " book_2.chars.map(&:size).reduce(:+) " book2 remains greater
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<apeiros> allen: because String#<=> does not compare length
<havenwood> allen: "If the strings are of different lengths, and the strings are equal when compared up to the shortest length..."
<havenwood> >> "2" > "10"
<eval-in__> havenwood => true (https://eval.in/280214)
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<havenwood> allen: Well, I guess those docs are actually referring to the `'10' > '1' #=> true` scenario, but read the docs. ^ To compare the String sizes compare the #size.
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<allen> havenwood: thanks .- i think i understand now
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<apeiros> "read the docs"++
<apeiros> more people should do that…
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<arup_r> Can anyone point me how can I refactor this method? https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/a10c8a165d4c405f31e7#file-odt_from_xml-rb-L22-L35
<arup_r> There is a repetition ...
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<weaksauce> lexicographic ordering if you want to look it up.
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<arup_r> weaksauce: me ?
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<weaksauce> arup_r maybe break apart the longer methods.
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<weaksauce> into smaller functions?
<arup_r> Yes.. Doing..
<arup_r> Just got some track to BREAK it.. I'll update the gist
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<ellisTAA> is there a swap method in ruby? i can’t find it but i wrote it down on my look up list
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<shevy> ellisTAA what is a swap method?
<ellisTAA> a method called swap
<shevy> >> a = 1; b = 2; a,b=b,a; [a,b]
<eval-in__> shevy => [2, 1] (https://eval.in/280239)
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<shevy> I don't think there is a method called swap. but you can always define one!
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<ellisTAA> thank you!!
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<bonhoeffer> so . . . i forget . . . in irb to require rb in the directory, best way?
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<bonhoeffer> basically — what is the file root where I’m at?
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<bonhoeffer> puts $: shows a bunch of ruby locations, but not my “."
<weaksauce> File.expand_path(__FILE__) should get you the directory of the file
<bonhoeffer> require_relative <— awesome, nevermind my question
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<bonhoeffer> but all the require’s in that file don’t work
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<bonhoeffer> are there general guidlines for running a gem locally with irb
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<bonhoeffer> maybe irb -rubygems -I lib -r
<bonhoeffer> yep
<weaksauce> bonhoeffer not sure I know what you mean? try bundle console
<bonhoeffer> interesting… will try that as well
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<weaksauce> assuming you are using bundler it will require all your gems and dump you in irb
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<bonhoeffer> nice! perfect
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<weaksauce> you can also do bundle exec irb to get into the bundled environment and then just require anything you feel like one at a time
<bonhoeffer> thanks
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<dopie> I guess this is where I ask
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<dopie> I am trying to use regex to add '(' infront of 554
<dopie> @number.gsub(/\A+/,'(')
<weaksauce> dopie did you look at the code in the class that I linked? it does exactly what you want
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<dopie> wait what
<dopie> ok
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<dopie> weaksauce, its supposed to a lesson on using regex
<dopie> an d im stuck :)
<weaksauce> the code that I linked to uses regex but you should read up on capture groups
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<dopie> weaksauce, ok
<weaksauce> try it out "test case".gsub(/(a-z]*) ([a-z]*)/, '\2-\1')
<weaksauce> >> "test case".gsub(/(a-z]*) ([a-z]*)/, '\2-\1')
<eval-in__> weaksauce => /tmp/execpad-d7e22c3823a1/source-d7e22c3823a1:2: warning: regular expression has ']' without escape: /(a-z]*) ([a-z]*)/ ... (https://eval.in/280285)
<workmad3> weaksauce: you missed your first opening [
<weaksauce> >> "test case".gsub(/([a-z]*) ([a-z]*)/, '\2-\1')
<eval-in__> weaksauce => "case-test" (https://eval.in/280286)
<weaksauce> workmad3 small font and old eyes ;)
<workmad3> :)
<dopie> wwow
<dopie> ok cool
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<dopie> weaksauce,
<dopie> ugh
<dopie> im still struggling
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<dopie> oh wait
<dopie> holdon
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<bonhoeffer> i’m in need of a little guidance — i’m making a new gem (first one) and the template had a module in the main.rb file — what is best practice, to put a class in there?
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<dopie> "test case".gsub(/([a-z]*) ([a-z]*)/, '\2-\1')
<dopie> so i would put
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<dopie> "305-123-444".gsub(/(\A+,')')
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<tejas-manohar> on os x 10.10 facing strange issue
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<tejas-manohar> trying to run \curl -sSL https://get.rvm.io | bash -s stable
<epitron> -sSL? is that like -rubygems?
<tejas-manohar> idk saw that on rvm.io
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<epitron> (sorry, silly joke :)
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<weaksauce> dopie after reading up on capture groups and using the cheat sheat on that regex site
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<weaksauce> can you explain what that code is doing?
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<tejas-manohar> but terminal is telling me https://gist.github.com/brandonlipman/ef937d80642e56651a32
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<tejas-manohar> trying instructions here - http://rvm.io/rvm/install --> terminal is telling me https://gist.github.com/brandonlipman/ef937d80642e56651a32 for the cURL command
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<tejas-manohar> (didn't mean to cross-post, apeiros_ missed my comment right under my comment in #RubyOnRails saying sorry this is for #ruby)
<apeiros_> I stand corrected. the cross-post was unintentional and tejas-manohar said so in the other channel.
<apeiros_> my apologies
<tejas-manohar> np
<tejas-manohar> so i guess i need to update my cURL this is on os x 10.10, never faced on 10.9 lol
<shevy> apeiros, kick apeiros_ !!!
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<tejas-manohar> shevy: LOL
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<tejas-manohar> `which curl` returns "/usr/local/bin/curl"
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<tejas-manohar> saw this onlien - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27627156/yosemite-error-with-curl - so do i run like `cp /usr/bin/curl /usr/local/bin/curl` ?
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<weaksauce> tejas-manohar probably not the best idea in general
<tejas-manohar> *let me rephrase "Since the version inside of /usr/local/bin/curl was producing the error, I decided to copy the files from /usr/bin/curl into /usr/local/bin/curl . That was it, everything works fine now." from StackOverflow
<tejas-manohar> ^ is that `cp /usr/bin/curl /usr/local/bin/curl`
<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: then?
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<weaksauce> /usr/bin/curl -sSL https://get.rvm.io | bash -s
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: it looks like you --force linked brew's curl: brew unlink curl
<weaksauce> or use ruby-install :P
<weaksauce> or download the file directly and run the script
<tejas-manohar> let me try havenwood's solution first
<tejas-manohar> then i guess that should work too weaksauce lol
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<tejas-manohar> havenwood: no such keg
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: aha, you must have built curl yourself or otherwise installed it, i don't know
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: hmm, should i just uninstall and reinstall curl? lol
<weaksauce> tejas-manohar I like ruby install quite a bit more than rvm. brew install ruby-install
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: OS X ships with curl: /usr/bin/curl
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: yeah that's the one im using afaik
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: which curl
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: /usr/local/bin/curl
<weaksauce> brew list | grep curl
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: curl --version
<havenwood> 10.10 would be: curl 7.37.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin14.0) libcurl/7.37.1
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: running curl --version errors that same thing with you need 8.0.0 + etc
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: so you have some funky curl installed in /usr/local, probably built yourself at some earlier point?
<weaksauce> I'd just remove that curl and let the system one do the deed
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: maybe or ran something that built it O.o -- this is actually my friend's computer :P and he's unsure
<tejas-manohar> so just rm -rf /usr/local/bin/curl ?
<weaksauce> tejas-manohar what's the output of this: `brew list | grep curl`
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<kristian-aalborg> cheers
<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: nothing
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<weaksauce> don't do a -rf unless you know you need to
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<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: so rm /usr/local/bin/curl ?
<weaksauce> yes
<tejas-manohar> ok now how do i install
<tejas-manohar> curl --version now says that file doesn't exist (as it shouldn't)
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<tejas-manohar> like /usr/local/bin/curl doesn't exist
<tejas-manohar> is my PATH messed up
<weaksauce> sure it should
<weaksauce> yeah your path is messed up
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: check?: brew doctor
<weaksauce> /usr/bin should be on your path
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: brew doctor reports nothing, friend says he fixed everything there
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<tejas-manohar> havenwood: he said he followed many many rails install guides and things kept failing so maybe he messed something up in process
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: from a fresh terminal?: which curl
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<weaksauce> you could also type rehash
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: which \curl
<tejas-manohar> got it
<tejas-manohar> works
<havenwood> whew
<tejas-manohar> new terminal woohoo
<tejas-manohar> yeah that was weird
<tejas-manohar> lol i love IRC, apparently he's been banging his head against a wall for a month on this issue
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<tejas-manohar> havenwood: one question from me, when do i use sudo when installing a gem?
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<tejas-manohar> i've read some tutorials suggesting this but i know with npm i just moved the prefix to ~ and then i don't use sudo for globally installed modules anymore because it's in a directory my user has read/write to
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<atmosx> tejas-manohar: not with rvm
<atmosx> tejas-manohar: without rvm you should otherwise will be a pain to use that path for apps
<atmosx> sudo will isntall gems system-wide
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: It just depends on where the gems are configured to install. Like atmosx points out, most folk who use a Ruby version switcher choose a user local location for gem installs.
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: just don't use `sudo` with RVM, you'll likely be dropping env and using system Ruby
<atmosx> system wide ruby is good only if the system is setup to run an application, e.g. a rails app ...
<atmosx> production rails app
<tejas-manohar> ah ok
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<tejas-manohar> welp
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: RVM has an `rvmsudo` for when you need to, for whatever reason.
<tejas-manohar> ah
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<weaksauce> tejas-manohar why not use something less complex and error prone?
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<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: like?
<havenwood> It passes on the shell environment, unlike a plain 'ole sudo.
<weaksauce> chruby and ruby-install are about as simple as it gets
<tejas-manohar> i've had no problem w/ rvm on my computer
<tejas-manohar> what is this nonsense
<tejas-manohar> lol
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: TIMTOWTDI
<weaksauce> yep
<tejas-manohar> yeah
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: RVM actually ships with support for using chruby as the switcher.
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<tejas-manohar> ah
<tejas-manohar> any idea how to solve this tho?
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: And ruby-install can install for RVM use.
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: Solve what?
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<tejas-manohar> havenwood: ^
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: That's probably a better one for the #rvm channel. If you're lucky, mpapis will be around.
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<weaksauce> not a lot to go off of in there
<Troy^> What do you guys use for a text editor?
<workmad3> vim 4 evar!!!
<weaksauce> macvim
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<havenwood> Troy^: TM2 and rmate or vim or Atom
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<havenwood> or LightTable or ST2
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<Troy^> i tried using vim.
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<tejas-manohar> havenwood: he is and said he's checking almost immediately :P this is great
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: :)
<weaksauce> what didn't you lie wrt vim Troy^
<weaksauce> like*
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<Troy^> getting use to cursor movement
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<workmad3> havenwood: what's LightTable like? or haven't you used it?
<havenwood> Troy^: have you tried Atom?
<Troy^> no i have not havenwood. I have used ST3 though
<havenwood> workmad3: Its support for inline Ruby REPL is a bit hacky. Nice for Clojure.
<havenwood> Troy^: Its very similar but open source.
<pontiki> emacs! emacs! emacs!
<workmad3> Troy^: yeah, getting used to navigating text with vim can take a while... worth the effort though!
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<havenwood> pontiki: That was a record for how long editors could be discussed without an emacs!!
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<workmad3> wait... when did emacs release a good editor? :P
<weaksauce> Troy^ it's worth it... try reading the first answer here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1218390/what-is-your-most-productive-shortcut-with-vim
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<pontiki> you mean i was way late, havenwood ?
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<havenwood> pontiki: just in time, i was starting to get concerned about what'd happened to the emacs users
<weaksauce> I thought only stallman still used emacs :P
<pontiki> can't get used to anything else :/
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<weaksauce> did you ever try vim?
<pontiki> yes
<workmad3> weaksauce: pontiki is stallman's ruby alter-ego
<pontiki> oh, that's cold, even from you
<workmad3> :)
<weaksauce> what about it didn't resonate with you pontiki
<pontiki> modalism
<workmad3> weaksauce: it's obviously the lack of an HTCPCP implementation...
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<pontiki> keystrokes
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<weaksauce> I guess you haven't seen the neoHTCPCP plugin
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<workmad3> heh :) nope
<pontiki> not a clue what that is
<pontiki> nor do i find anything compelling about using vim vs emacs
<workmad3> pontiki: HTCPCP == hypertext coffee pot control protocol
<weaksauce> do you write a lot of emacs scripts?
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<workmad3> pontiki: to fill in the original gap in emacs when people said "It can do everything but make your coffee"
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<pontiki> not so much any more
<Troy^> hmm
<workmad3> pontiki: well yeah... it can make your coffee now
<workmad3> you just need to connect it up to a coffee machine that understands HTCPCP and install the appropriate emacs plugin
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<Troy^> have any of you tried brackets?
<workmad3> just be careful of the dreaded 418 response code
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<pontiki> i've looked at brackets
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<Troy^> I know it's great for html, css, js not sure how well its ruby support is
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<DamienM> hi
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<tejas-manohar> havenwood: indeed a bug in rvm, investigating more w/ the mpapis
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<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: i did `ruby-install ruby` how do i make this new ruby the default, not os x's
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<weaksauce> you can use chruby
<Troy^> rbenv
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: The easiest way would be to install it to /usr/local so it's already in the PATH. Or yeah chruby will autodetct the ruby-install default location. Or you can have ruby-install put it where RVM or rbenv will detect it.
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<Troy^> I used rbenv myself.
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: For /usr/local `ruby-install --system ruby` for RVM `ruby-install --rubies-dir ~/.rvm/rubies ruby` or where it is chruby will already detect it.
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: If you just want a quick 2.2 and don't need to switch Rubies: brew install ruby
<weaksauce> rvm is not working for tejas-manohar, havenwood
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<Troy^> brew install rbenv ruby-build
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<havenwood> weaksauce: RVM is not working to install the Ruby, but ruby-install could put it where it's expected and the switching will work fine.
<havenwood> weaksauce: If he wants to use RVM in the long run, installing it for RVM makes sense.
<havenwood> weaksauce: <3 ruby-install/chruby
<tejas-manohar> ah
<tejas-manohar> got it
<weaksauce> I didn't see the part where it said RVM was installed correctly though.
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<havenwood> weaksauce: He's having trouble with a patch RVM is applying while installing 2.2.
<weaksauce> but I didn't look that closely. I also <3 ruby-install/chruby
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<weaksauce> simple is better to me
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: If you go the brew Ruby route, the only caveat is that you'd need to add gem executables to the PATH: export PATH="$(brew --prefix ruby)/bin:$PATH"
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: `brew unlink ruby` for system and `brew link ruby` for brew's
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: ^ that works fine alongside chruby or RVM or whatever you choose as your switcher.
<tejas-manohar> ah ok
<tejas-manohar> i run brew unlink ruby
<tejas-manohar> brew link ruby
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<tejas-manohar> after brew install ruby ?
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: yup, that'd switch
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: then say with chruby or RVM when you `chruby system` or `rvm system` you'd get either system or brew, depending on whether brew is linked
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: put the `export ...` above in a dotfile that gets sourced if you want gem executables like `bundle` in your PATH
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<tejas-manohar> ohh
<tejas-manohar> so put PATH: export PATH="$(brew --prefix ruby)/bin:$PATH" into ~/.bash_profile
<tejas-manohar> its fine if there are multiple path exports in that file, right?
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: yes: echo 'export PATH="$(brew --prefix ruby)/bin:$PATH"' >> ~/.bash_profile
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: for `bundle` or other gem executables
<tejas-manohar> ah
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: then i guess we're to `gem install rails` ?
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: seems so
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<tejas-manohar> havenwood: takemn 2 hours to install ruby l0l
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: anyways gem install rails is erroring now :(
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: `brew install ruby` is fast these days, since they "poured a bottle"
<weaksauce> if you mess with the path you need to source your .bashrc file or .bash_profile
<tejas-manohar> ruby -v does say 2.2.0 btw
<weaksauce> or just open a fresh terminal
<tejas-manohar> yeah i re-opened terminal
<tejas-manohar> yeah
<tejas-manohar> source ~/.bash_profile or exit and re-open
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: that's ^ the error on `gem install rails`? :O
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: yea
<tejas-manohar> i've tried a crap ton of stuff to install ruby my god
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<tejas-manohar> rvm didnt work, ruby-install worked then doesnt show up on chruby lol, then brew install worked and gem install still doesn't work
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<tejas-manohar> gem install doesn't work w/ default ruby either wtf
<tejas-manohar> (default ruby on osx)
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: it would show up on chruby
<weaksauce> did you try chruby '2.2.0'
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: only 2.1.3 shows in chruby even now
<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: nope
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<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: even so, ruby -v returns ruby 2.2.0 ...
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<weaksauce> well you installed it with brew and mucked with the path so it's not going to play nice.
<weaksauce> how did you install with ruby-install?
<weaksauce> just a straight ruby-install 'ruby-2.2.0'
<weaksauce> or did you move it to another place
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<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: straight ruby-install ...
<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: well now i have ruby w/ brew install i'd like to continue this way lol
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: what's the ...?
<tejas-manohar> ruby-install 'ruby-2.2.0'
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: that'd error
<tejas-manohar> or not that
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: ruby-install ruby 2.2.0
<tejas-manohar> ruby-install ruby
<tejas-manohar> is what i did
<weaksauce> comment out the rvm stuff if you are using brew's ruby
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: so that depends on the version of ruby-install you have, which appears dated
<tejas-manohar> but brew install ruby is successful, so let's continue from this?
<tejas-manohar> i just installed ruby-install via brew lol
<tejas-manohar> o ok let me comment that stuff out
<weaksauce> you have three different things going on
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: We can help you get the brew, chruby or RVM one going... so I guess first pick on. :)
<havenwood> one*
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<tejas-manohar> brew :P
<tejas-manohar> brew install ruby done
<weaksauce> comment out the chruby stuff then
<tejas-manohar> ruby -v says ruby-2.2.0 etc
<tejas-manohar> ok 1 sec
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: to get the latest ruby with ruby-install you'd need to: brew uninstall ruby-install && brew install ruby-install --HEAD
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: or: ruby-install ruby 2.2.0
<tejas-manohar> o ok welp i have brew install ruby done so lets continue that way
<tejas-manohar> i really appreciate all this help btw
<strsep> ;p
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<strsep> Why not use brew install rvm ; rvm install ruby ;p
<havenwood> weaksauce: he currently has system Ruby, brew 2.2.0 and ruby-install 2.1.3 in ~/.rubies
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<havenwood> strsep: because there isn't a brew package for rvm
<havenwood> strsep: for starters :P
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<tejas-manohar> strsep: rvm bug found, that's why :P
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<strsep> havenwood, well it's not that hard to install rvm with curl.
<weaksauce> tejas-manohar the reason the chruby didn't work was that you had rvm initializing itself at the end of your profile
<tejas-manohar> oh
<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: but this brew method should still work/
<weaksauce> strsep it was erroring
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<strsep> Scary.
<weaksauce> well the chruby should have worked too ;)
<strsep> Ah, it's rbenv that's in brew.
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: the rvm binary for 2.1.5 would be fast and easy as well
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<weaksauce> you have to start fresh. and not mess with the path more than you need to. I have no experience with brew's ruby or getting that installed
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<tejas-manohar> havenwood: true #rvm just suggested that
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<havenwood> strsep: ruby-install chruby rbenv and ruby-build all have brew packages
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<tejas-manohar> ok i removed all the random crap from my bash profile
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<tejas-manohar> that's it now ^
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<tejas-manohar> i still get this error w/ gem install rails
<weaksauce> that last export should be deleted
<havenwood> strsep: he had an issue with curl, so the rvm curl script failed, then an issue with an rvm patch for 2.2 on os x.
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<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: ok deleted that
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<tejas-manohar> this computer is wonky af
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<weaksauce> I don't think so... you are installing three different competing things that mess with your path
<tejas-manohar> ok
<tejas-manohar> changed $PATH
<tejas-manohar> still not working
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<tejas-manohar> i removed that last export, weaksauce
<weaksauce> and new terminal?
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<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: indeed
<weaksauce> gist the error
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<weaksauce> looking at the bashrc, It looks like macports was installed at one time and that was probably the cause for your curl issues.
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<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: maybe so
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: So a YAML syntax error... but which file?
<havenwood> invalid .gemrc?
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: idk, this is an error in ruby it seems?
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<tejas-manohar> should i just install ruby 2.1.5 and get on with it lol
<weaksauce> rename your .gemrc
<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: like mv .gemrc .asdf ?
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: I'm suspecting it's not an issue with Ruby, but that a config file was changed and broken.
<weaksauce> sure
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<weaksauce> try gem -v and see if there is still an error
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<tejas-manohar> weaksauce: 2.4.5
<weaksauce> try gem install rails now
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: gem install rails
<tejas-manohar> good signs good signs
<tejas-manohar> :)
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: Your friend has more than a bit of cruft in the halls from days past.
<tejas-manohar> yeah
<tejas-manohar> lol
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: A past change to the ~/.gemrc made it invalid YAML and likely is also the culprit in the RVM install failure.
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: (It failed on miniruby gem install, due to the broken .gemrc.)
<tejas-manohar> ah
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<weaksauce> all that pain just because someone didn't want to install some ri docs
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: I'd suggest letting them know the .gemrc was invalid and closing the RVM ticket.
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<tejas-manohar> ah yeah
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<havenwood> tejas-manohar: hopefully smooth sailing from here!
<tejas-manohar> yes
<tejas-manohar> rails server up
<tejas-manohar> im out lol
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<strsep> Most rubyists ist for rails. :(
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<havenwood> strsep: A growing number off the rails. :)
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<havenwood> strsep: Tempting tasty treats like Roda, Lotus and Volt.
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<apeiros> Rota is jeremyevans thing with the route tree?
<apeiros> *Roda
<havenwood> apeiros: ya
<apeiros> what are the USPs of Lotus/Volt? (if you don't mind)
<havenwood> apeiros: When can I see your router!?
<apeiros> never? my framework doesn't need a router.
<havenwood> apeiros: :O
<apeiros> url's translate directly to a constant
<apeiros> and don't worry, it's namespaced, so you can't just access internals with a cleverly crafted URL
<havenwood> apeiros: Volt ties in with Opal for coding once, and magic sync of browser/server routing and validation and stuff. Hard wired to mongodb at the moment and no plans to be database agnostic, but postgres apparently on the way.
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<havenwood> apeiros: Volt aims to DRY up the server then javascript repetition with a lot of magic under the hood.
<apeiros> as for when: I intend to take two weeks off work. I think I can show pre-alpha of the ORM/DB stuff to selected people then. maybe even the framework.
<havenwood> They report a really positive experience with Opal.
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<apeiros> do you know whether Opal fully supports ruby regex translation?
<havenwood> apeiros: I like the namespaced constants idea, I wanna see it in action!
<apeiros> the funny thing is that that idea is ~10y old…
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<havenwood> I dunno how much they've implemented of it.
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<apeiros> actually it must be older. f'ing time.
<TheNet> how do I send data from the client to the server? (sockets)
<apeiros> TheNet: vague question is vague.
<apeiros> TheNet: with tons of assumptions: socket.puts, socket.write, various other methods
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<TheNet> apeiros: more specifically what's the syntax I'd use to send a string from a client to a server (both are ruby)
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<TheNet> eg, for server -> client it's client.puts
<TheNet> puts I can't find any documentation for client -> server
<TheNet> *but
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<apeiros> havenwood: having seen Roda I fear that the way it is mapped in Jacob is more complex. but I do think it should scale better. but I ponder spending a bit of time with Roda. Maybe I can find a way to make it easier.
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<apeiros> I find it really difficult to walk the line between magic which removes boilerplate and boilerplate which creates explicity
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<apeiros> TheNet: a socket doesn't care about server/client. it cares about read/write. it's socket.puts/.write/.print etc. on both sides to write to the other side.
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<n0zz> hey guys, I'm new here and new to ruby, can you guys help me?
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<n0zz> where should I start with ruby? I'm lost ;/ to be specific, should I start with ruby or ror? where can I find some useful guides(english/polish)? is that possible to create irc bot in ror/ruby?
<havenwood> n0zz: Start with Ruby. Yes there're Ruby IRC bots.
<apeiros> n0zz: given that ror is a webframework, you are better of with plain ruby for an irc bot
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<apeiros> and that it is possible is proven by all the existing ruby irc bots ;-)
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<weaksauce> n0zz I have written one with isaac and it works pretty nicely https://rubygems.org/gems/isaac
<n0zz> well, actually this is fresh idea, with the bot, but I also want to create some other, more webish projects, so I'm thinking n reading n know nothing :/
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<apeiros> n0zz: IMO learn ruby proper first. makes it easier to understand the "magic" in rails.
<TheNet> apeiros: I'm an idiot, thank you so much
<apeiros> TheNet: I didn't say that! :D
<TheNet> apeiros: well, at the very least new to sockets :P
<weaksauce> n0zz do the ruby tutorial here:\ http://www.codecademy.com/
<weaksauce> it's free and pretty well done
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<n0zz> apeiros hmm, you have convniced me now, and thanks for the link :)
<apeiros> link is from weaksauce ;-)
<weaksauce> :)
<n0zz> oh right, thanks weaksauce ;D
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<n0zz> words, ehh... its too much for me to read at the moment ;p
<havenwood> apeiros: Lotus is just nice clean looking code for a well laid out Rack adapter MVC framework.
<apeiros> havenwood: which of them do you find the most interesting?
<apeiros> btw., ever tried manveru's ramaze?
<havenwood> apeiros: Roda.
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<havenwood> apeiros: Though for the future, I'm intrigued by Volt.
<havenwood> apeiros: Not really, poked around with it.
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<havenwood> apeiros: I think the Opal folk themselves may be rolling a Volt competitor, but I guess its the abstracting away the front end stuff that I'm curious if they'll be able to pull of and have it catch on.
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<havenwood> apeiros: Of the three it's Roda that I'm most likely to actually use.
<apeiros> fwiw, while I say my framework is very opinionated - client side code is quite free
<apeiros> though, theoretically you're free everywhere - you're just on your own. I hope I can have the coupling of the components low enough that all you have to do is satisfy the API
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