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<Intelo> adam12, I am comparing the turorial of ruby 1.8 and 2.x. what actually did changed? anything big or breaking?
<Intelo> I am comparing the turorial of ruby 1.8 and 2.x. what actually did changed? anything big or breaking?
<Intelo> adam12, typo
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<leftylink> hmm
<leftylink> range cover does something I didn't think it would do on some old versions
<leftylink> &22> (1..20).cover?(2..3)
<rubydoc> parser error at position 0 around `2'
<leftylink> &22>> (1..20).cover?(2..3)
<rubydoc> # => false (https://carc.in/#/r/7f6x)
<leftylink> &23>> (1..20).cover?(2..3)
<rubydoc> # => false (https://carc.in/#/r/7f6y)
<leftylink> &24>> (1..20).cover?(2..3)
<rubydoc> # => false (https://carc.in/#/r/7f6z)
<leftylink> hmm, what *are* these things doing
<leftylink> &>> :works
<rubydoc> stderr: /home/carcin/carcin/sandboxes/ruby/sandboxed_ruby2.6.0: error while loading shared libraries:... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/7f70)
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<leftylink> oh
<leftylink> that's 2.6 only lol
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<leftylink> been spoiled too much by new ruby versions...
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<Intelo_> hi
<Intelo_> What is attr_accessor = :firstName, :lastName?
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<Intelo> nevermind, I am just curious why : is added?
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<havenwood> ?crosspost Intelo
<ruby[bot]> Intelo: Please do not crosspost without at least telling so and mentioning provided suggestions and their outcome in all channels. Experience shows that people don't do either, and not doing so is considered rude.
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<havenwood> Intelo: I answered in #rubyonrails but it's a better question for here.
<havenwood> Intelo: Have you tried IRB or Pry? (Interactive Ruby.)
<havenwood> Intelo: You can ask it!
<Intelo> havenwood, ok about crosspost
<havenwood> defined? :first_name #=> "expression"
<havenwood> :first_name.class #=> Symbol
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<havenwood> ?irb
<ruby[bot]> irb is "interactive ruby", it is part of ruby. You can run ruby code and see results immediately. it's useful for testing code. Also see ?pry, a gem which is a popular alternative to irb.
<havenwood> ?pry
<ruby[bot]> Pry, the better IRB, provides easy object inspection `ls`, `history`, viewing docs `?`, viewing source `$`, syntax highlighting and other features (see `help` for more). Put `binding.pry` in your source code for easy debugging. Install Pry (https://pryrepl.org/): gem install pry pry-doc
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<Intelo> hm
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<Intelo> havenwood, what actually did changed b/w 1.8 and now? whats so breaking/ big/
<Intelo> else than VM introduction
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<Intelo> hm
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<havenwood> Intelo: Then there are the changes from 1.9 to 2.6 on top of that.
<havenwood> Intelo: A major change in 1.9 was switching from green threads to system-backed threads.
<havenwood> Intelo: I'd suggest just focusing on Ruby 2+.
<Intelo> but what were major feature changes or code breakers
<Intelo> havenwood, Ya, I am on 2.5 but was just understanding
<havenwood> Intelo: I wrote this article, which has a super quick history of the GC: https://developer.squareup.com/blog/rubykaigi-and-the-path-to-ruby-3/
<Intelo> ok
<Intelo> thanks!
<havenwood> Intelo: I have a bunch of slides from presentations I've done about the 2.5-2.6 upgrade, the 2.4-2.5 etc. It's hard to summarize.
<Intelo> hm!
<havenwood> Intelo: If you search for, "what's new in Ruby x.x" for each Ruby from 1.9 to 2.6 you'll get a pretty good summary.
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<Intelo> hm...
<havenwood> Intelo: A few Ruby 2.5 changes summarized: https://speakerdeck.com/havenwood/a-deep-dive-into-new-ruby-features
<Intelo> I wonder why ruby is falling and python is rising
<Intelo> in market I mean
<Intelo> there are many other sources too
<Intelo> javascript and python are rusing a lot
<Intelo> java is legacy stable
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<havenwood> Intelo: I don't get what you're citing. What does that survey show about Ruby?
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<Intelo> havenwood, nothing. Its just a comparison and trend I was trying to discuss. I am learning ruby and rails. I find it fantastic. Specially coming from Java and JavaEE background
<Intelo> I have talked to few people and done some homework
<Intelo> ruby and rails is declining in market
<havenwood> Intelo: I'm just curious why you think "ruby is falling and python rising."
<Intelo> python and javascript are rising. I wonder why < is what I was discussing
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<Intelo> havenwood, why I think? I had talked to many in ##programming. read such surveys. Talked to coleuges
<Intelo> all say same
<havenwood> Intelo: Funny you say it's declining in the market at the point that it's the peak it has ever been in use. This seems ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Intelo> havenwood, comparatively
<Intelo> i meant
<havenwood> Intelo: What are these links supposed to show?? They don't say anything about programming language popularity?
<Intelo> havenwood, listen to it. I am just giving sources of my findings
<havenwood> Intelo: I don't know what to say. Somebody says that five obviously popular languages are the most popular in a video with no citation. It doesn't say anything about Ruby's increasing or declining popularity.
<havenwood> Intelo: Here, for example, you could say "Python ranks higher than Ruby in this HN survey." https://research.hackerrank.com/developer-skills/2018/
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<havenwood> Intelo: (Python is #2 people would like to learn and Ruby is #5.)
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<havenwood> Intelo: But Ruby and Rails popularity is increasing, and they're in broad use in the industry so the number of jobs just goes up. I think if you've gotten the impression that it's falling in use, you're mistaken.
<havenwood> It's not as popular on HN. Look to a new tech for that.
<havenwood> Intelo: Any top 10 language in use on GitHub is extremely popular and not going anywhere fast.
<havenwood> Intelo: If it's on the right quarter of that graph ^, it's wildly popular and you can ignore anyone saying "X language is dying."
<havenwood> Kotlin, Scala, TypeScript, Go, etc. All safe choices.
<havenwood> Ignore the FUD!
<havenwood> Intelo: I think use in projects is a better metric than most of the tea leaf reading folk do around lang popularity.
<havenwood> GitHub is a reasonable place to assess that. Not perfect, but lots of the code I care about.
<Intelo> hm......
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<havenwood> And personally, I'd like a high GitHub to SO ratio. More use with fewer bugs and questions. :P
<Intelo> interesting
<havenwood> Then again SO means community. I just don't care about that axis as much.
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<Intelo> havenwood, great info
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