<paulproteus>
"getaddrinfo ENOTFOUND" suggests that Sandstorm is having trouble doing DNS lookups.
<paulproteus>
I wonder -- can you do "ping -n github.com" from a terminal on the Sandstorm machine?
<paulproteus>
Does it seem to properly turn the name (github.com) into an IP address?
<paulproteus>
Takumi: ^
<Takumi>
I noticed something in there about not being able to decode the time so I updated the paste with that
<Takumi>
Ping seems to be working: 64 bytes from 192.30.252.129: icmp_seq=17 ttl=53 time=134 ms
<paulproteus>
Hmm.
<paulproteus>
jparyani: ^ do you have any ideas here?
<Takumi>
Prior to trying to log in I'd been able to access github via my browser to look for the keys so I didn't think that was the problem
<Takumi>
I think this error may be related to me fiddling with the application trying to reset Sandstorm's record of it
<paulproteus>
I wonder if node/Meteor does something interesting/weird/surprising for its DNS lookup.
<Takumi>
After I put it in and it failed I expected to be able to clear the details but it just says "sign in with github" not allowing me to purge them
<paulproteus>
The other thing you could try is stopping & starting the sandstorm service. | :
<Takumi>
So I went to github and tried resetting the key, then "revoking all user keys" but neither one allowed me to reenter details into Sandstorm, it just said sign in with github
<Takumi>
I also tried clearing cookies because that was what did it the first time but that didn't do it either
<paulproteus>
Takumi: What Linux distribution are you on?
<paulproteus>
Also do you have "nscd" running? (ps aux | grep nscd)
<paulproteus>
I don't know super-duper much about this part of the codebase, though, fwiw.
<Takumi>
Kubuntu 14.04
<paulproteus>
OK, cool. We do test on Ubuntu 14.04 so generally this should work.
<Takumi>
I think I do? It output: 31166 0.0 0.0 11744 916 pts/0 S+ 16:22 0:00 grep --color=auto nsc
<dwrensha>
maybe try `sudo sandstorm mongo` and then `db.meteor_accounts_loginServiceConfiguration.remove({})`
<dwrensha>
if you want to clear the config on the Sandstorm side
<paulproteus>
If it's just the 'grep' in the output, Takumi , then I think it's not running actually. That's fine that it's not running.
<jparyani>
@dwrensha btw, I added a helper command that does that more simply, `sudo sandstorm reset-oauth`
<dwrensha>
nice!
<dwrensha>
is that probably in the release that Takumi is using?
<Takumi>
That mongo command seemed to have worked.
<Takumi>
I made a new application on github and that allowed me to log in again.
<paulproteus>
Great, Takumi.
<Takumi>
While I'm here, what's the status of wordpress caching plugins with sandstorm? Has anything happened on that since March?
<dwrensha>
Takumi: At the end of March I discovered that we don
<dwrensha>
't actually need the root-relative-urls plugin
<dwrensha>
If I recall correctly, it was one of the major causes of trouble when I first tried to get caching plugins working
<dwrensha>
so I'm optimistic that we can figure something out
<Takumi>
Thanks for helping me.
<dwrensha>
:)
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<wolftune>
ocdtrekkie: check out this robust GPL thing: https://www.openproject.org/ it should totally be in the list for Sandstorm (I just learned about it, looks great)
<wolftune>
it has a ton of project management, group collaboration tools
<wolftune>
could be a great part of getting small governments and NGOs and other institutions to use Sandstorm
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<ocdtrekkie>
wolftune has signed off, but I have added it to the committee list.
<ocdtrekkie>
If anyone sees him, tell him I did as he commands. ;)
<paulproteus>
I hope he comes back!
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<wolftune>
ocdtrekkie: sorry to hang pinged you and disappeared, didn't see if you replied, computer died
<wolftune>
I've always wondered about public logs of these channels
<wolftune>
we don't publicly log #snowdrift (my projects' channel) partly because I know there's some question about that, it's discouraged in some ways… but I often think it would be useful…
<ocdtrekkie>
I think it depends on the kinda channel, but it's kinda irrelevant since a lot of us use Quassel or some similar cloud/hosted IRC client that logs the crud out of everything anyways. ;)
<ocdtrekkie>
I'm always "logged in".
<ocdtrekkie>
In the case of #sandstorm, there's a lot of useful info nuggets and solid discussion on Sandstorm that's probably well worth logging.
<ocdtrekkie>
And in some cases it's almost part of the "open" part of Sandstorm to begin with, as the Sandstorm devs are often chatting in here about stuff, which is cool because then some of us regular rabble can drop in thoughts and such as well.
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<wolftune>
ocdtrekkie: I think all that applies to #snowdrift as well
<wolftune>
but we were hesitant, and through now we've never publicly logged
<paulproteus>
Here we don't hesitate.
<wolftune>
paulproteus: about anything? ;)
<paulproteus>
I'm somehow reminded of these very sarcastic lyrics by Dar Williams:
<paulproteus>
"
<paulproteus>
We like strong, happy people
<paulproteus>
Who don't think there's something wrong with pride,
<paulproteus>
Work makes them free
<paulproteus>
And we spread that freedom far and wide."
<ocdtrekkie>
I think reinventing the way the Internet is organized requires at least the slightest bit of willingness to jump into a problem headfirst. ;)
* wolftune
thinks there's many things wrong with pride
<paulproteus>
Yeah, wolftune, I do too (-:
<paulproteus>
But what I really mean is that I was impressed with a statement I once read about startups, which is that they should decide things in hours, not days or weeks, and then see how it went.
<wolftune>
yeah yeah, lean startup…
<wolftune>
um…
<ocdtrekkie>
Pride is probably the downfall of most good tech companies.
<ocdtrekkie>
Create something great, stop realizing you can do something wrong, ignore users, and then fail.
<paulproteus>
Yeah, you won't find me defending pride. You might find me exhibiting it, at which point you should slap me with a large trout.
<paulproteus>
twit
<paulproteus>
... that was intended for a different window.
<paulproteus>
Maybe that means it's bedtime.
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<uppermgmt>
hello, could anyone recommend any reading on the aggressive killing of apps, was wondering if that is actually as slow as it seems (in terms of restarting) and if there are options for keeping them live permanently if you were hoping to have any major load
<dwrensha>
we're working on an API through which apps will be able to request to stay alive
<dwrensha>
Many apps start very quickly, so for them it's not an issue at all. I think it's Ruby that we've had the most trouble with.
<dwrensha>
uppermgmt: I'd be curious to hear what kind of app you have in mind.
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<uppermgmt>
dwrensha: i'm just tinkering with several apps for my own use, photos and blog and gitlab, etc. but switching between i get a fairly noticable delay while the app comes back up, granted i'm running it on a not terribly beefy vps
<uppermgmt>
but the delay seems noticable compared to an app that's just running
<uppermgmt>
~11 seconds for gitlab lets say
<uppermgmt>
with no data in it
<dwrensha>
yep, that's Ruby for you
<uppermgmt>
aha
<uppermgmt>
damnit ruby
<uppermgmt>
dwrensha: the app stayalive would probably do the trick, thanks for the link
<dwrensha>
keeping GitLab running in the background would eliminate startup time, but it would also continually consume RAM
<dwrensha>
looks to me like a running GitLab instance takes about 300MB of RAM
<uppermgmt>
yeah bit of a tradeoff there for sure
<uppermgmt>
yikes 300
<uppermgmt>
dwrensha: would something you could configure per grain make sense?
<dwrensha>
Two separate ruby processes: one for the webserver and one for the sidekiq work queue
<uppermgmt>
or is it something the app porter would decide for all
<dwrensha>
you could imagine an app giving users an option about whether to stay alive
<uppermgmt>
cool
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<uppermgmt>
those share links are cool
<uppermgmt>
you guys are on your game with this thing
<uppermgmt>
the possibilities seem so endless
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<phildini>
I'm fairly excited there will be food at the meetup tonight.
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<paulproteus>
I'm fairly excited there are forty people RSVP'd geez where did they even come from that's almost more people than this IRC channel
<sasattack>
paulproteus: can you help me with stupid python things
<sasattack>
I wish I could come to the meet up. stupid living in a difffent city
<paulproteus>
If it's about Sandstorm-y Python, I can hopefully answer quickly. Else this weekend probably.