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<mnutt> has anyone done “Demo this in sandstorm” buttons for use in github READMEs?
<mnutt> the buttons themselves, I mean. I can make my own, wondering if there are some nice-looking ones already out there
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<simonv3> Hey, I was wondering what happens to already installed grains of apps that you update? For example, if the wekan app updates, do my grains get that update automatically as well?
<simonv3> I seem to remember a notification, but I wasn’t clear
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<zarvox> You get a notification, and if you say "apply updates" all your grains will be switched to the latest version.
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<asheesh> I just spent what feels like the whole day trying to add two numbers.
<asheesh> Sometimes I am not very good at Meteor, and other times I just wish it would yell at me more, like ocaml or C++ or something.
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<ckocagil> welcome to dynamic typing!
<asheesh> You'd think I'd be used to it; I used to write a lot of Python.
<asheesh> But in Python at least I have pyflakes.
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<ckocagil> how do these people manage large codebases? how do they refactor? how do they sleep at night without the safety of the type checker?
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<ocdtrekkie> mnutt is gone, but FWIW I answered it, so people know. And can tell him if they see him again.
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<mnutt> ocdtrekkie: great, just what I was looking for! thanks
<drgreco> just installed sandstorm, but can't access the admin settings page
<drgreco> it looks like it can only be access via localhost, and its on a headless server
<drgreco> any ideas?
<mnutt> drgreco: what does your BIND_IP config look like?
<drgreco> nvm, looks like its a chrome issue
<drgreco> works fine in firefox
<mnutt> ok, cool
<drgreco> oh, i see whats up
<drgreco> i have https everywhere installed in chrome
<drgreco> and it keeps switching it to https from http
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<eternaleye> Huh, this could be neat in combination with Sandstorm: https://github.com/solid/
<eternaleye> Found it via MIT CSAIL highlighting Tim Berners-Lee's group working on it getting a 1mil grant.
<jadewang> that post at the top of HN makes me want to write a blog post titled "43 self-hosted alternatives to popular cloud services"
<jadewang> @eternaleye, I'm trying to figure out what solid is, but am finding it hard to find a description
<jadewang> but maybe I'm just tired and getting sleepy
<eternaleye> jadewang: My impression is that it's an attempt at a common RDF/linked data federation system meant to act as an underpinning layer for social stuff
<eternaleye> jadewang: i.e. a pumbing layer for the Diaspora's of tomorrow.
<eternaleye> *plumbing
<jadewang> oh interesting
<eternaleye> Running it inside Sandstorm, therefore, seems like a pretty neat matchup
<jadewang> yeah!
<jadewang> I think I remember @kenton and @jparyani saying there were a couple core platform features that needed to be implemented to make diaspora et al. work on sandstorm
<jadewang> maybe this could make it easier
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<ckocagil> can someone give a quick test ride to the new version of Dillinger with collab editing?
<ckocagil> paging dr. asheesh
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<asheesh> Howdy ckocagil
<asheesh> Link me please!
<ckocagil> I finally managed to do it with sharejs
<asheesh> Another vine out.spk vintage
<asheesh> Another fine out.spk vintage
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<ckocagil> I don't see how this is faster than filedrop
<asheesh> I am currently destroying the latency properties of my cell tethering Internet connection by uploading this to rose.sandcats.io.
<asheesh> By contrast, rose.sandcats.io probably has reasonably good conectivity to oasis.
<asheesh> So it's more like "I might like" that I guess!
<ckocagil> :O rip
<asheesh> Oh snap there's some GPG verification somethings
<asheesh> "Last Updated: <unknown>" I guess that's due to it being "sideloaded".
<asheesh> Front & center "Source" and "report issue". This is pretty awesome.
<ckocagil> could be. I don't know.
<asheesh> There's some kind of collaborative editing going on now
<asheesh> OK there is a flash of emptiness that strikes a fear that all my data is gone but then it's not!
<asheesh> (upon restart grain)
<ckocagil> yep! I don't know if I can make that faster. sharejs is handling everything.
<asheesh> Something splash screen like is nicer, like "Loading..."
<asheesh> I can deal with layers and layers of splash screens.
<ckocagil> noted
<asheesh> (Can just be the word "Loading"; I'm not asking for something designed, fwiw)
<asheesh> But also after the first time I do grow to understand this. So I could possibly live without but I'd prefer not to.
<asheesh> OK anything else I should test?
<asheesh> This is pretty cool.
<ckocagil> there is another role
<ckocagil> view-only
<asheesh> Oh right
<asheesh> Same thing about initial scary emptiness; otherwise it looks like a read-only view!
<asheesh> Scrolling works.
<ckocagil> yes, looks like it's all good!
<ckocagil> thanks for helping asheesh
<asheesh> Thanks for this! This is pretty sweet.
<ckocagil> do I have to bump the version number?
<asheesh> for sure
<asheesh> Oh you mean between this SPK you gave me, and publishing, if you make some changes to the splash screen stuff?
<asheesh> Or do you mean between the SPK currently on app market and new SPK?
<ckocagil> latter
<asheesh> Then definitely yes.
<ckocagil> does it have to be in a specific format? or can I make it 1.2.3-sandstorm2
<asheesh> marketing version can stay same; appVersion (iirc) must increase
<asheesh> I forget. Let me reread package.capnp
<ckocagil> aha that makes sense
<asheesh> appVersion :UInt32
<asheesh> That's the only one you must bump.
<ckocagil> yep, great
<asheesh> You can set appMarketingVersion = (default = "Version seventeenyfour and a half")
<asheesh> At your option.
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<simonv3> Should updating a package I uploaded with a new spk file (that I also upload) update existing grains?
<simonv3> (All I did, for example, is change some styles, bump the version numbers, and package)
<gpots> Having some trouble with Davros .. added index.html to the top level but still not getting the published public dir
<asheesh> Hi gpots
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<asheesh> Hmm -- did you click the "Enable publishing" button?
<asheesh> Are you on Oasis?
<asheesh> Are you willing to share your preview URL?
<gpots> Not on Oasis .. self-hosted
<gpots> Davros working great, just hung up on the publishing piece
<asheesh> Interesting.
<asheesh> Why not HTTPS, I wonder, btw?
<asheesh> But that's a separate issue.
<gpots> Doing that today!
<gpots> should I https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/administering/ssl/ then give Davros publish another shot?
<asheesh> I do get a 14-byte index.html response, which seems to contain <html></html>
<asheesh> I think the http/https thing will be a red herring, but I don't mind you doing the switch!
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<gpots> I think I may have just found the issue ...
<gpots> brb ...
<asheesh> Great!
<simonv3> (asheesh any idea about what I just posted re updates?)
<simonv3> Uploading a newer version of an spk doesn’t seem to update existing grains, so I’m wondering if I’m doing something wrong
<asheesh> Hey simonv3 ! Sorry missed that. zarvox knows more about that than I do; I wonder if he knows this answer.
<simonv3> cool, thanks for pointing me along :)
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<asheesh> simonv3: I propose that if you don't see zarvox in the next five-ish minutes, you file a bug with clear steps-to-reproduce and we can close it either with a docs fix, or with a code change. Must AFK for a meeting in a few min, which will result in high latency on IRC. (-:
<simonv3> hah, okay, I’ll write it all down, any suggested place to report bugs?
<asheesh> gihub.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/issues
<zarvox> simonv3: hmmm, uploading a new version of an SPK doesn't update existing grains yet, but when you go to the app details page, there should be a purple button to upgrade them.
<simonv3> zarvox: hey! Yeah, that button appeared, but it doesn’t seem to actually upgrade the app
<gpots> Still not having any luck with Davros 'Web Publishing' ... do I need to include .htaccess as well. Prompted with "Add index.html to the top level to set up your site. All files in the shared directory will be publicly accessible." but that doesn't appear to be doing the trick
<zarvox> simonv3: just to be clear: clicking the button makes the button disappear from the page?
<zarvox> and then restarting the grain (might have to hit the Restart button on the topbar) still runs the old package?
<simonv3> zarvox: yep. but I’ll go through the process again and capture some screenshots to confirm that I’m talking about the same button
<simonv3> (also, this is on oasis, not on a personal instance)
<simonv3> zarvox: mind if I PM you some details?
<gpots> good lord ... figured out the web publish issue ... all good
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<asheesh> gpots was working on http://wgonnl6xsi8p5tfjnprk.oet.sandcats.io/
<asheesh> which is AWESOME
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<paulhibbitts> I am exploring RocketChat for use by students (working with gpots :-)), and was wondering if it is possible to have anon access for this or if students require a sandstorm login?
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<ckocagil> paulhibbitts: anon access is possible with sandstorm, but rocketchat is bugged in that case
<paulhibbitts> Ah ha, thanks ckocagil. Any pointers to where I could learn more/expected fix timeframe?
<ckocagil> paulhibbitts: I don't know, but someone here could perhaps relay it to the rocketchat team
<paulhibbitts> Ok, I will keep my eyes open for any news etc. Thank you.
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<zarvox> simonv3: sorry, was AFK for a bit. Sure, PM me details if you prefer
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<asheesh> paulhibbitts: Note that you can give them a Sandstorm login easily -- they can "just" make one for themselves.
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<paulhibbitts> Thanks the for tip asheesh! I think gpots is also exploring options - RocketChat App looks very promising.
<asheesh> paulhibbitts: You're welcome! Always happy to be able to help.
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<asheesh> Hey ocdtrekkie any chance you're interested in trying to package/test http://baikal-server.com/ ?
<asheesh> Similarly, any chance that if I made a package, people would test it out?
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<asheesh> Howdy sugarpuff (-:
<sugarpuff> asheesh: howdy! :)
<asheesh> BTW, all, sugarpuff works on Empress, a set of Ansible scripts to set up a personal email server easily.
<asheesh> Also sugarpuff you might like #userops ; see http://mediagoblin.org/news/userops.html "Userops: Deployment for the People"
<asheesh> kentonv: https://docs.sandstorm.io/en/latest/ now is less scary!
<kentonv> yay
<sugarpuff> Empress is here: https://github.com/taoeffect/empress/
<sugarpuff> it can do basic email migration too
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