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<unshadow> Hi guys
<unshadow> are there some news regarding the LLVM issue compiling crystal-git on Arch ?
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<jhass> unshadow: get llvm35
<jhass> I stared at it for a while but I have no clue at all about that stuff
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<jokke> jhass: how do i debug segfaults?
<jhass> lldb/gdb/valgrind
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<jokke> mmh
<jokke> ok so build with -d and then one of those
<jhass> yeah
<jokke> hm i think i found a bug
<jokke> but i'm having trouble to reproduce it with a minimal sample
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<jokke> jhass: this is what i stripped it down to: https://p.jreinert.com/pDU4hb/crystal
<jokke> jhass: this is what i stripped it down to: https://p.jreinert.com/pDU4hb/ruby
<jokke> any ideas?
<jhass> looks like a invalid codegen
<jokke> issue time
<jokke> jhass: am i stuck at this now? :/
<jokke> or do you see a workaround?
<jokke> this is my greatest fear regarding my thesis. That there'll be some bug that prevents me from moving on and won't be fixed any time soon :/
<jhass> not doing the puts seems to work? :P
<jhass> dunno, hard to see any workaround that might apply to your real code from the dumbed down version
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<jokke> jhass: here's the real code: https://p.jreinert.com/2Sy/ruby
<jokke> oh boy
<jokke> pygments needs crystal highlighting
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] jhass pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vcdY2
<crystal-gh> crystal/master c23d9c7 Jonne Haß: Add HTTP::Cookies#[]? and HTTP::Cookies#has_key?
<travis-ci> manastech/crystal#c23d9c7 (master - Add HTTP::Cookies#[]? and HTTP::Cookies#has_key?): The build passed. https://travis-ci.org/manastech/crystal/builds/83872825
<jokke> jhass: is the difference between class and struct that structs don't inherit from Object?
<BlaXpirit> jokke, no, and that's not even true
<jokke> that's why i ask :D
<jokke> so _all_ types are subtypes of Object?
<jokke> even primitive types like Int32 etc
<BlaXpirit> i think so
<jokke> ok
<BlaXpirit> plenty of information in both text docs and API docs
<jhass> jokke: the difference is that structs inherit from Value and classes inherit from Reference
<jhass> Value's are passed by value, Reference's are passed by reference
<jokke> jhass: oh
<jokke> ooh
<jokke> i see
<jokke> that's good to know
<jokke> but.. structs can obviously inherit from classes?
<jokke> if ah
<jokke> ah
<jokke> no
<jokke> so structs don't inherit from Object
<jokke> because Value is the base type
<BlaXpirit> jokke, read the docs already geez
<jokke> BlaXpirit: what did that help?
<jokke> aah
<jokke> at the top
<jokke> alright
<jokke> thanks :)
<jokke> jhass: btw: "The standard library provides a useful record macro that allows you to create immutable structs with some fields, similar to a Tuple but using names instead of indices."
<jhass> immutable means no setters here
<jokke> yeah, but then i don't understand why if foo.bar; foo.bar.baz is not possible
<jhass> because you create instances that return nil for bar
<jokke> yeah but if it's immutable and the test passes it can't be nil inside the if block
<jhass> we had this beofre
<jhass> *before
<jhass> the compiler doesn't track such a property
<jhass> it could, it's quite a bit work and a sensible thing to do after the language is stabilized
<jokke> mmh and it's not feasible because it'd get slow, something like that?
<jokke> yeah ok
<jhass> yeah, it probably would also be slow
<jokke> >> "get link"
<DeBot> jokke: # => "get link" - http://carc.in/#/r/i6t
<jokke> this is really super crippling: http://carc.in/#/r/i6u
<BlaXpirit> yup
<jokke> jhass: i worked around my problem somehow
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<jeromegn> jokke: I had the same issue :( https://github.com/manastech/crystal/issues/1473
<jokke> ah that's the duplicate
<jokke> thanks
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] sdogruyol opened pull request #1697: [ci skip] Fix json/mapping.cr doc (master...patch-1) http://git.io/vcFeQ
<crystal-gh> [crystal] jhass closed pull request #1697: [ci skip] Fix json/mapping.cr doc (master...patch-1) http://git.io/vcFeQ
<sdogruyol> did something change in HTTP::Server ?
<sdogruyol> seems like it's broken the sample doesnt work
<sdogruyol> ah got it
<sdogruyol> 0.8.0 doesnt want host to be set :P
<jhass> maybe a bit eagerly updated, yeah ;)
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<sdogruyol> jhass: meanwhile is there any issue that i can tackle on quickly :P
<jhass> let's see
<jhass> nope
<jhass> aw, closed too
<sdogruyol> lol :D
<jhass> out of luck today I guess
<sdogruyol> hahah now that's a good script to pick an issue
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<jhass> nah, a good one would get a list of open issues from the API
<sdogruyol> jhass: have you ever thought about labeling the issue like this https://github.com/elixir-lang/elixir/issues
<jhass> you mean the Level?
<sdogruyol> jhass: yeah exactly
<sdogruyol> jhass: the level:starter e.g stuff makes it easy to understand
<jhass> we do this less detailed at diaspora https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/labels/newcomer
<sdogruyol> let me check
<sdogruyol> jhass: yeah that's also pretty welcoming :)
<jhass> and I like that approach slightly better, "newcomer" does not have to mean "easy" but "new to the technology" and even better "new to the codebase" too
<ozra> oh +1 on the beginner/simple/intermediate/advanced/hard flagging - will make more of us fix bugs :-)
<jhass> newcomer issues can demand some advanced domain knowledge when they're solvable without going through an applications internals or lots of places etc.
<sdogruyol> jhass: yeah how do you handle that ?
<jhass> sorry?
<sdogruyol> jhass: e.g someone might be new to the codebase but the issue domain is related to concurrency or something that's pretty specific
<sdogruyol> jhass: how do you mark it
<jhass> where?
<BlaXpirit> most typically, require knowledge of how it's done in ruby >_>
<sdogruyol> jhass: in a issue list like diaspora's
<sdogruyol> BlaXpirit: that's also a good point
<jhass> at diaspora I flag newcomer if it's something that touches only part of the codebase or is easy to do but gives an opportunity to learn some part of the codebase
<ozra> perhaps #shallow #deep - for how deep into the code base you have to be knowledgable :)
<sdogruyol> jhass: i see
<jhass> that is if we have the orthogonal properties of complex to solve and hard to integrate, I make sure that at least one is close to zero
<jhass> if both are low, the better
<sdogruyol> jhass: i think i like the elixir style type: http, kind:enhancement, level: hard
<sdogruyol> pretty descriptive from the look
<ozra> jhass: I guess an additional "easy" flag could be added too. For issues that really are easy (and "shallow"), like doc-updating, names refactoring or the like..
<jhass> anyway, asterite said confrontend with that idea that he wouldn't like to spare things that are quick to fix, rather have them fixed quickly than saved for somebody to get started
<jhass> so have fun convincing him, not me
<sdogruyol> jhass: :P
<sdogruyol> asterite: what do you think about labeling issues like this https://github.com/elixir-lang/elixir/issues . It really makes it easier to start and descriptive from the look
<sdogruyol> maybe i better open an issue for this :D
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<ozra> added my 2mBTC to it..
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<sdogruyol> ozra: heheh seems like you're pretty deep into satoshi
<ozra> sdogruyol: I believe in open source, decentralization and free markets. Take the power back from the people in top B-)
<sdogruyol> ozra: :)
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<jokke> hi is it possible to cross compile crystal programs for embedded hardware?
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] asterite pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/vcbT3
<crystal-gh> crystal/master 87a2788 Technorama Ltd: Change Enum.parse to camelcase from lowercase.
<crystal-gh> crystal/master 29e8aa7 Ary Borenszweig: Merge pull request #1679 from technorama/f/enum_parse...
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] asterite pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/vcbT8
<crystal-gh> crystal/master c99f542 rhysd: Remove Dir.chdir...
<crystal-gh> crystal/master 8191bfa Ary Borenszweig: Merge pull request #1677 from rhysd/fix-cd...
<crystal-gh> [crystal] asterite pushed 4 new commits to master: http://git.io/vcbTH
<crystal-gh> crystal/master 39cc800 Joakim Reinert: add type_vars method for type nodes in macros
<crystal-gh> crystal/master 9123f18 Joakim Reinert: merge type_params and type_vars macro methods
<crystal-gh> crystal/master 312fefc Joakim Reinert: update docs and specs to use type_vars and add a spec
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] asterite closed pull request #1583: Make empty arrays not allocate memory until needed (master...array_null_pointer) http://git.io/vn9dH
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<DeBot> https://github.com/manastech/crystal/pull/1679 (Change Enum.parse to camelcase from lowercase.)
<crystal-gh> [crystal] asterite pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vcbme
<crystal-gh> crystal/master 31a61fc Ary Borenszweig: Define a simpler `Array#new` without arguments, so no checks need to be made against initial_capacity and there's no chance to raise
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<DeBot> https://github.com/manastech/crystal/pull/1618 (add type_vars method for type nodes in macros)
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<globalkeith> hey folks, does anyone know if there's something similar to Ecto for crystal
<RX14> i don't think so, we have an active record implementation, but that's about it I think
<travis-ci> manastech/crystal#512804e (master - Merge pull request #1583 from manastech/array_null_pointer): The build passed. https://travis-ci.org/manastech/crystal/builds/83931783
<DeBot> https://github.com/manastech/crystal/pull/1583 (Make empty arrays not allocate memory until needed)
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<globalkeith> ok thanks RX14
<RX14> it's early days in terms of libraries :P
<globalkeith> yeah it would help me prove something to my boss, i'll see if i can work with that actve_record library instead
<RX14> well, i would love to see a clone in crystal
<globalkeith> yes me too, using Ecto is really nice
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<jokke> RX14: active record clone?
<jokke> meh
<RX14> active record implementation
<RX14> i meant
<RX14> i know it's not like ruby AR
<RX14> i said active record implementation
<RX14> ugh
<RX14> never mind
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] asterite pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vcbaa
<crystal-gh> crystal/master d661897 Ary Borenszweig: Fixed #1696: instance variable wasn't marked as nilable if assigned inside captured block or fun literal
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] jhass closed pull request #1680: Add documentation to YAML module (master...master) http://git.io/vcr1z
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<DeBot> https://github.com/manastech/crystal/pull/1680 (Add documentation to YAML module)
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] asterite pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vcNOW
<crystal-gh> crystal/master 046154c Ary Borenszweig: Fixed #1702: "Index out of range" error when calling `.next()` on an `each_char` iterator from an empty string
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<DeBot> https://github.com/manastech/crystal/issues/1702 ("Index out of range" error when calling `.next()` on an `each_char` iterator from an empty string.)
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] sdogruyol opened pull request #1703: [ci skip] Update command.cr (master...patch-2) http://git.io/vcN8I
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] jhass pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/vcNob
<crystal-gh> crystal/master f63bf60 Serdar Dogruyol: Update command.cr
<crystal-gh> crystal/master 42c2483 Jonne Haß: Merge pull request #1703 from sdogruyol/patch-2...
<jhass> I don't think it's useful outside the compiler
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<sdogruyol> jhass: yeah seems so
<sdogruyol> jhass: figuring out compiler structure :P
<sdogruyol> meanwhile why this isn't inside the main Crystal module?
<jhass> this?
<jhass> the core extensions?
<jhass> well, it's monkey patching Enumerable
<sdogruyol> jhass: is it necessary? to_s_with_line_numbers is only used in compiler
<jhass> on Enumerable's...
<sdogruyol> jhass: oh
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<sdogruyol> jhass: danke
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<crystal-gh> [crystal] lbguilherme opened pull request #1704: doc typo: "exists" -> "exits" (master...patch-1) http://git.io/vcN1x
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<crystal-gh> crystal/master 5d185bf Guilherme Bernal: doc typo: "exists" -> "exits"
<crystal-gh> crystal/master cb8cde3 Jonne Haß: Merge pull request #1704 from lbguilherme/patch-1...
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<DeBot> https://github.com/manastech/crystal/pull/1704 (doc typo: "exists" -> "exits")
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<dzv> jhass: are github/will or or github/waterlink on irc?
<jhass> willl is will, waterlink sometimes
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