01:43 <FromGitter> <proyb6> The code could compile and ran but I don't see we should allow spacing between Baz and new? ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/crystal-lang/crystal?at=5c1d96bd2863d8612b6de7ba]

02:36 <FromGitter> <girng> auto formatter on save didn't work ?

04:31 <FromGitter> <proyb6> Not auto formatter, it's the page that Google Chrome translate from Japanese to English but should it be a syntax error if programmers have intentionally left a spacing?

06:00 <FromGitter> <anamba> looking for a slack api shard. found this, but 👀 what is a Projectfile??

06:00 <FromGitter> <anamba> https://github.com/manastech/crystal_slack

07:45 <Yxhuvud> oprypin: I'm not. I'm saying there are multiple different implementations, and are doubting that the pyhon one is better than the others.

10:23 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> @anamba maybe something similar to gentile for ruby. But I am also curious how it works

10:35 <FromGitter> <gdotdesign> It seems it was the old `shard.yml` https://github.com/crystal-lang/shards/pull/224

17:35 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> @gdotdesign you are right. 😂

22:22 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> i was wondering why Crystal doesn't get the attention deseerves?

22:40 <oprypin> doesnt have incremental compilation, Windows support, parallelism

22:40 <oprypin> but most importantly, doesnt have a big corporation's money

22:43 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> I get it. But do you think the future will be bright?

22:45 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> And yes money is important. Go has google. But rust?

22:46 <oprypin> well that's mozilla

22:49 <mps> Willyboar[g]: there is famous quote from Yogi Berra: “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”

22:50 <mps> when the Linux announced most thought it is just one student exercise

22:51 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> IMO most important is to grow the community

22:52 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> So windows support is a crucial step.

22:52 <mps> agree fully, and make language useful

22:54 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> Yes that too. Ruby for example boosted by rails.

22:56 <mps> imo, some good quality free software written in crystal is needed, but not till language stabilizes

22:57 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> Exactly what I was thinking. But yes, stability is important.

22:57 <mps> and articles about using standard libraries

22:57 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> Crystal casts

22:57 <oprypin> community isnt doing anything for it

22:57 <oprypin> this is all about a few key individuals

22:57 <mps> articles/guides could be written now by people who understand them

22:59 <mps> oprypin: yes, it is more important to have a few passionate individuals in the beginning phase than a big community imho

23:00 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> I think the best is somewhere in the middle

23:01 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> To have more passionate people you need bigger community.

23:02 <oprypin> i dont think there is a direct correlation. but yeah, if the community was below a certain size, there would be no interest at all

23:02 <mps> in my experience, have a big community in the beginning could be detrimental sometimes

23:03 <mps> maybe better to say 'to big community'

23:03 <oprypin> i wouldnt go that far

23:05 <mps> not want to judge, just contemplating ;)

23:06 <mps> anyway, community of the passionate members is the best option

23:06 <FromGitter> <j8r> when we see other successful languages, more or less the same schema is repeated

23:08 <FromGitter> <j8r> people, that have thus resources to do so, build an useful product in X techno

23:08 <FromGitter> <j8r> Others say: Oh, that's what I need, let's learn & use X

23:09 <FromGitter> <j8r> X, with the underlying language, grow in popularity

23:10 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> Yes but from my little experience every language boosted because something good builded with it.

23:11 <mps> IME, there are two ways: money behind or quality, for languages which lasts

23:11 <FromGitter> <j8r> no money make things harder

23:12 <FromGitter> <j8r> but not impossible

23:12 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> Agree

23:13 <FromGitter> <j8r> to sumup: Crystal needs a top notch product, that demonstrates its usefulness & capabilities

23:13 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> Exactly

23:13 <mps> j8r: right, and a book

23:14 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> And of course resources for new commercials

23:14 <FromGitter> <j8r> agree, there is one mps

23:14 <mps> j8r: really, where? I'm trying to learn Ruby to understand crystal

23:16 <mps> and I know Perl which helps with crystal to some degree

23:17 <FromGitter> <j8r> I didn't know much about OOP, i learned pretty quickly Crystal :)

23:17 <FromGitter> <j8r> I've read the stdlib and trying to understand the most part

23:18 <mps> basics of crystal is not hard to learn, but going deep is a more harder, at least for me

23:18 <FromGitter> <j8r> like?

23:18 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> Exactly this. Crystal attracts mostly rubyists seeking best performance.

23:19 <FromGitter> <j8r> https://crystal-lang.org/docs/ is improving

23:19 <FromGitter> <j8r> maybe macro can be hard

23:20 <FromGitter> <j8r> well that's an advanced topic.

23:20 <mps> probably i'm speaking from superficial experience because didn't tried to make any more complicated program

23:22 <FromGitter> <j8r> what's good in Crystal is we can *easily* go deep, unlike Ruby

23:22 <FromGitter> <j8r> using slice, unsafe and pointers

23:22 <mps> but, when I have seen crystal for the first time i stopped golang and now making some small programs in crystal

23:23 <FromGitter> <j8r> I think what's missing in Crystal is a big bullet feature, unique of the language

23:23 <FromGitter> <j8r> Rust has low-level safety

23:23 <mps> but, last few months I'm short on time to work more with crystal :(

23:24 <FromGitter> <j8r> Go has concurency

23:24 <FromGitter> <j8r> Julia has great stdlib for Math stuff

23:24 <mps> crystal have fibers, not like goroutines but good enough

23:25 <FromGitter> <j8r> yeah, crystal is jack of all trades master of none

23:25 <mps> :) new Perl

23:25 <FromGitter> <anamba> @j8r that describes me, so it appeals to me

23:25 <FromGitter> <anamba> @mps new perl... whoa, let's not call it that

23:26 <FromGitter> <j8r> Perl6 is the new one

23:27 <mps> anamba: it was a small joke, but in every joke there is some joke

23:27 <FromGitter> <anamba> well, thing about perl is that it had that catchphrase "there's more than one way to do it" whereas crystal is the opposite

23:27 <FromGitter> <j8r> @anamba me too

23:28 <mps> Perl6 looks like will never be used for anything serious. to late arrived

23:32 <FromGitter> <j8r> @mps I'll find you the book

23:33 <FromGitter> <j8r> https://pragprog.com/book/crystal/programming-crystal

23:33 <mps> j8r: thanks, but don't take it seriously, i.e. don't waste your time. If you have some hints just give them and I will search

23:34 <mps> ah, nice. thanks again

23:34 <FromGitter> <j8r> mps don't worry I'm done, I only know this one :D

23:35 <FromGitter> <j8r> you're a contributor of Alpine?

23:35 <mps> uh, first author is not of ones which style I like

23:35 <FromGitter> <anamba> i read that book, it's... just ok. not great. but it might be a lot of help for someone not coming from ruby (i have used ruby professionally for > 10 years)

23:36 <mps> j8r: yes, crystal 0.27.0 will be in next stable, it is already in the edge release

23:37 <mps> but only for x86_64 and aarch64 architectures

23:39 <FromGitter> <j8r> mps thanks :)

23:39 <mps> j8r: you use Alpine?

23:40 <FromGitter> <j8r> for static linking compilation yes

23:40 <mps> because of musl?

23:41 <FromGitter> <j8r> I would like to use it as main desktop, but there missing packages like LXQt, wifi stuff

23:41 <FromGitter> <j8r> yes for musl, and .a archives

23:42 <mps> if you are cli man, wifi works quite fine

23:43 <FromGitter> <j8r> I use CMST (Conman gui)

23:44 <mps> tried it on Alpine, but wasn't satisfied, must admit

23:44 <FromGitter> <j8r> conman?

23:44 <FromGitter> <j8r> what do you use instead?

23:45 <mps> for now just wpa_supplicant and wpa_gui

23:46 <mps> that combo works fine for me

23:47 <mps> even tried network-manager but again wasn't satisfied and ditched it

23:47 <FromGitter> <j8r> does it support bluetooth and wired too?

23:48 <mps> didn't tried bluetooth so don't know

23:48 <mps> and wired works iirc

23:49 <FromGitter> <j8r> ok good then. Not really picky on this topic

23:49 <FromGitter> <j8r> It's in Qt, and simple, I'm happy.

23:49 <FromGitter> <j8r> Main blocking point is LXQt in fact

23:50 <mps> for me the problem was that nm doesn't work fine with my WM, awesomewm

23:50 <FromGitter> <girng> @Willyboar i think it's cool how i found crystal. i never used ruby ever. around 2016 i was googling "nodejs vs xxxxx tcp benchmarks" or something. trying to see if i could find something other than js for my server. i stumbled upon this (http://serdardogruyol.com/benchmarking-and-scaling-websockets-handling-60000-concurrent-connections-with-kemal) article. i was like wow. checked out the site, saw the playground

23:50 <FromGitter> ... link, played around with the syntax for a bit (especially w/ hashes)..then was like this is really cool. went to the crystal lang docs page and saw their tcp example and was like wow, in just a few lines of code a tcp server can be up and running. awesome! next, went back to the site and looked for the windows installer ... [https://gitter.im/crystal-lang/crystal?at=5c1ecde16649aa1f82b7911a]

23:51 <mps> maybe I should try with some more conventional DE, xfce or mate

23:54 <mps> but I like awesome because I can write whatever I need in few lines in Lua

23:55 <FromGitter> <j8r> @girng you could post it to https://forum.crystal-lang.org/c/community/introductions !