#crystal-lang on 2019-01-04 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2018-11-07 00:02 RX14 changed the topic of #crystal-lang to: The Crystal programming language | http://crystal-lang.org | Crystal 0.27.0 | Fund Crystal's development: http://is.gd/X7PRtI | GH: https://github.com/crystal-lang/crystal | Docs: http://crystal-lang.org/docs/ | API: http://crystal-lang.org/api/ | Gitter: https://gitter.im/crystal-lang/crystal

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01:17 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> Introduced the concept of renderers in athena

01:17 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/crystal-lang/crystal?at=5c2eb41df6166a3027b69830]

01:17 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> which will call `.to_s` on that obj for the specified ecr file

01:18 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> defaults to JSON if you dont specify one, can be custom as well as long as it returns a string. just have to define a class with a `self.render` method

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01:21 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> maybe in future could make it so you can define multiples and picks the right one based on `Accept` header or throw a 406 otherwise

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03:17 <FromGitter> <sam0x17> A user commented on my medium article with some very good feedback for the core team @RX14 @straight-shoota https://medium.com/@michaeldg7/sam-nice-article-751690208a54, though I would say we can't really do some of that until 1.0 is solidified

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04:49 <FromGitter> <malkomalko> Yah, that's some good feedback. I'm a rubyist and picked up the basics of crystal pretty fast. Just started building my first project with it a few days ago and I'm absolutely loving it.

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06:04 <FromGitter> <noahlh> ^^^ this does sound like a common refrain (and it's certainly the case for me.) Like ruby for the syntax & elegance, and upon discovering Crystal all the bells went off. I actually think there's plenty of adoption potential just the way things are -- rubyists who see this as an awesome stepping stone to learn more "mature" concepts like types, generics, compiler optimizations, etc. These are all topics that

06:04 <FromGitter> ... are common in places like Rust, Go, Java, etc. but still unfamiliar to those who come from a scripting/ruby/python/javascript background.

06:05 <FromGitter> <noahlh> (but 100% agreed about the other stuff -- intro tutorials, live project examples, etc.)

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06:19 <FromGitter> <rishavs> Anyone here has experience in C18? I am thinking of starting a toy project in raylib and will be looking at C for the first time in decades. from the samples, I can see that the code seems very modern and easy to read. Yet from what I remember, C was supposed to be pretty hard. Is modern c so different from the old c99 or am I just mis-remembering things?

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07:29 <riceandbeans> Is there something like Rails for Crystal?

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08:14 <FromGitter> <j8r> I hate this type of features https://github.com/crystal-lang/crystal/pull/7247#issuecomment-451333713

08:14 <FromGitter> <j8r> We thought we know how Enums and Symbols work, then there is a magic trick with an hidden overload

08:15 <FromGitter> <j8r> Of course undocumented. For me it was not possible

08:17 <FromGitter> <j8r> I always find Symbols used in case/when, so for me not safe at compile time

08:26 <FromGitter> <sam0x17> @riceandbeans amber framework

08:34 <riceandbeans> amber looks really promising

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09:35 <FromGitter> <alehander42> btw how does crystal run top level code

09:35 <FromGitter> <alehander42> does it just run the top level code from each "module" one after the other

09:36 <FromGitter> <alehander42> and if so, in which order: the flattened order of require?

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09:39 <FromGitter> <j8r> from the top to the bottom, then follow the requires

09:40 <FromGitter> <alehander42> exactly, ok

09:40 <FromGitter> <j8r> if there is a `require "./*"`, the imports are done alphabetically

09:41 <FromGitter> <j8r> underground IIRC the toplevel code are put in a `main()`

09:42 <FromGitter> <alehander42> i see, so there is no something like `__init__.py` if you import a folder

09:45 <FromGitter> <j8r> on the public API, don't recall

09:45 <FromGitter> <j8r> no

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10:48 <FromGitter> <drum445> I don't much like ```__init__.py``` anyway

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11:00 <FromGitter> <j8r> underscore are really ugly

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11:31 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> yes pretty ugly. especially in flask for example when you have a lot of blueprints in separate folders and any of them needs one.

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14:19 <FromGitter> <drum445> Anyone see anything wrong with this design: https://github.com/drum445/ruby-dao-example? ⏎ Going to use it with crystal

14:31 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> What is DAO?

14:32 <FromGitter> <drum445> Data access object

14:32 <FromGitter> <drum445> https://www.tutorialspoint.com/design_pattern/data_access_object_pattern.htm - is a pretty good example if you're interested

14:32 <FromGitter> <drum445> Similar to the repository pattern, place to abstract your db interactions to

14:34 <FromGitter> <straight-shoota> @sam0x17 Thanks for mentioning! These are definitely good points, and we can already start improving on that before 1.0

14:34 <FromGitter> <straight-shoota> @kevinelliott Oh cool. Let's compare notes =)

14:35 <FromGitter> <straight-shoota> I think I'll be able to publish a preliminary version next week

14:37 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> @straight-shoota @kevinelliott i can't wait to see it.

14:38 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> @drum445 is something similar to stout framework? I don't have time to read the truth. Also I see java example and scared. 😆

14:40 <FromGitter> <drum445> haha, I'm not a fan of java but it's a decent choice for that example

14:40 <FromGitter> <drum445> I'm not familiar with stout, what is that good sir?

14:41 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> https://github.com/Willamin/stout

14:43 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> @Willamin

14:44 <FromGitter> <drum445> That seems more like a framework than a pattern. Looks like a good lib though

14:50 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> 👍

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15:07 <FromGitter> <girng> hi

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15:08 <FromGitter> <ilanusse> Happy Friday! :)

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15:41 <FromGitter> <j8r> Merry Year and Happy Christmas 😄

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15:42 <FromGitter> <girng> Year Merry and Christmas Happy!

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16:04 <jokke> Christmas Year and Happy Merry!

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16:05 <FromGitter> <girng> 😂

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16:08 <FromGitter> <j8r> I've just launched a new way for wishing 😶

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16:48 <FromGitter> <omarroth> @bararchy Sorry for the delay, my work with OpenSSL is mostly limited to updating @datanoise's shard to 0.27.0

16:50 <FromGitter> <omarroth> For the personal projects it works well, but I'm wary of touching something that would be used by other people

16:57 <FromGitter> <omarroth> Somehow I missed randomstate/openssl_ext when I forked openssl.cr, it looks like it has feature parity for the most part

16:57 <FromGitter> <omarroth> w.r.t. randomstate/openssl_ext#2, the openssl.cr fork has this (https://github.com/omarroth/openssl.cr/blob/master/src/openssl.cr#L7)

16:58 <FromGitter> <omarroth> If that's helpful

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17:01 <FromGitter> <j8r> @bew For RFCs: https://github.com/crystal-lang/crystal/issues/7267

17:03 <FromGitter> <omarroth> Also to note is that a lot of @datanoise 's code has already been merged into the stdlib, so it might make sense to try and merge the RSA work as well, since the changes are fairly minimal

17:06 <FromGitter> <omarroth> I haven't done it myself since as mentioned, it's not something I'm very comfortable doing

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20:28 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> @Willyboar I guess that puts the concept of “fat models” to shame, huh? :)

20:35 <FromGitter> <redcodefinal> @jwaldrip @sdogruyol @waj @ggiraldez Anyone have any footage from Crystal Code Camp 2017? There was a really good section on C bindings.

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20:51 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> I didn’t get it @kevinelliott

20:53 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> `stout_models.are_larger_in_scope_than(fat_models)`

20:53 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> lol

20:54 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> i didn’t dig to much inside it

20:54 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Oh, I saw `Will` as the common denominator and just assumed it was yours, ha!

20:55 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Didn’t see your tagging of @Willamin after

20:55 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> 👍

20:55 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> i am waiting your prototype with @straight-shoota

20:55 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> 😆

20:56 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Yes! I need to circle back with @straight-shoota and get a game plan going.

20:56 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> every time we ping straight-shoota apull request dies

20:56 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> 😆

20:57 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> I’ve been slammed with work now that my vacation is over… and my vacation, was, well, much busier than any I’ve had before (Tahoe for skiing, Yosemite for Christmas, 50 people at our house before New Years, party for NYE, and then Reno for New Year’s day silliness).

20:58 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Let’s just say this… next year I’m crawling into a dark basement and not allowing myself to surface.

20:58 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> next year i will have 15 month vacation

20:58 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Killing another PR… @straight-shoota

20:58 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> @Willyboar YES. Take me with you.

20:59 <FromGitter> <straight-shoota> Haha

20:59 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> well i mean i am off the work

20:59 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> but where i live is vacation every day

20:59 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Did you strike the lottery or something?

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21:00 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> If so, please deposit some of that into the Crystal Lang donation bin :P

21:00 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> no, no

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21:00 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Oh… what a shame

21:00 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> it is a raising child off

21:01 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Oh you must be in some awesome Scandinavian country where you get paid time off for that.

21:01 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> Nope.

21:01 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> I live temporary here

21:01 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icaria

21:01 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Paradise!

21:02 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Say hi to Odysseus for me...

21:02 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> It’s nice

21:03 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> the usual time off for a kid is 9 months

21:03 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Whoa.

21:03 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> but this was the fourth

21:03 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> 👶 🍼

21:04 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> so i get 15 months

21:04 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> We’d prob have two more if we got that kind of time off as standard.

21:04 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> how much do you have?

21:04 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Our laws only preserve your job, they don’t give you paid time off… unless your company specifically gives you that (and most don’t).

21:04 <FromGitter> <straight-shoota> Congrat's @Willyboar

21:05 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> thanks @straight-shoota

21:05 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> and the coolest is that all of them are girls

21:05 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> 😆

21:05 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> Eeeek.

21:05 <FromGitter> <kevinelliott> “Congrats” to that :)

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23:29 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> is there a shard like guard for server reload on changes?

23:29 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> can use nodemon

23:30 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> if you have node installed

23:30 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> i was looking something in crystal

23:30 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> `nodemon -e cr --exec "path/to/file.cr"

23:30 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> fair enough

23:38 <FromGitter> <straight-shoota> I think there is... guardian, watcher

23:39 <FromGitter> <straight-shoota> Why does it need to be in Crystal?

23:39 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> yes i was checking it now

23:40 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> i also found this: https://github.com/agatan/watchbird

23:41 <FromGitter> <Willyboar> but is a little old

23:41 <FromGitter> <anamba> i mostly use guardian

23:45 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> is it possible to reimplement the `assert_error` method in a project outside of crystal stdlib? id like to test my project is throwing correct compile errors