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<FromGitter>
... promising direction, that’s just not what it’s designed for. I guess I was just hoping there was a GUI toolkit I wasn’t aware of that was easier to make bindings for than GTK, or something being developed a little more actively I had somehow missed being aware of. Oh well.
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> @kalinon yeah I mentioned those above when I asked the question, the pure crystal one is over top of SFML which is a choice I’d consider to be questionable, I took a peek at the github link, they’re all either LibUI, Hedron (which is LibUI), or SFML, except for the one providing X11 bindings which is….linux only 😂 Will keep an eye on things, but I don’t think any of the SFML ones are a
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> (the cocoa one is just providing a cocoa-ish API over top of libui, it’s not actually binding cocoa)
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<FromGitter>
<watzon> Yesterday I proposed the idea of a cross platform gui framework based on Flutter. It would take a lot of work and some serious finessing, but could you imagine?
<FromGitter>
<watzon> And by cross platform I mean completely cross platform, with multiple potential backends for OS's (Windows, Mac, and Linux), the browser, and the terminal
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> i’m not sure how to feel about flutter yet
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Personally I love it
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> what’s exciting about it?
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Well it makes cross platform app development extremely easy without giving up a lot of performance. I like Dart as a language and I like the way the UI development is done, all in code rather than abstracting everything out into a markup language of some kind. It makes the whole development process fairly painless by providing tools to debug and test your application, as well as providing hot reloading so that
<FromGitter>
... you can test on your device in real time.
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> hrm
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Only thing I don't like is that with Android builds you do still have to use Gradle which is more memory hungry than Chrome
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> I dunno...
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<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> i suppose cross platform app development is globally too difficult
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Yeah it's a pain in the ass
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Maintaining multiple codebases for the same app is stupid
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> is there a UI builder or is it like, legitimately all dart code?
<FromGitter>
<watzon> For now it's legitimately all dart code, although I do remember seeing a project that was a ui builder
<FromGitter>
<watzon> I don't remember what it was called though
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> anything unofficial will probably never be good enough
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Probably not
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> i feel like there’s historically been good reasons for splitting a UI into a markup/specification language and a behavioral language
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<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> what’s gained from going dart all the way down?
<FromGitter>
<watzon> I feel like their reasoning for not doing that in Flutter is sound. With markup languages you lose a lot of the expressiveness that code provides. Flutter has also done a really good job of making it so you don't miss markup languages. I did at first, and then I realized how powerful it was to just use pure dart
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<FromGitter>
<watzon> One of the same reasons I love the Lucky Framework in Crystal
<FromGitter>
<watzon> They use crystal as a templating language almost
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<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> Yeah, that gave me pause there too
<FromGitter>
<watzon> You learn to love it
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Seriously it's great
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> I mean, *I* might like it, but I also have zero frontend expertise, I feel like kneecapping my team members, especially frontend designers & devs, by removing the tools they’ve developed expertise in because I don’t wanna learn how to use them properly is a losing strategy
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Yeah it definitely has to be a team decision with something like that
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> I also am fully willing to posit that markup languages are not ideal for UI specification — I’m *super* skeptical that general-purpose programming languages are either — like if we’re going back to the drawing board, I’d be really interested in like, actually designing the entire language around that problem with a really clear idea as to the use cases, or considering whether text-based
<FromGitter>
... programming environments are appropriate to the problem at all
<FromGitter>
<watzon> I feel like Flutter's approach is at least a step in the right direction
<FromGitter>
<watzon> No XML = Happy Chris
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<FromGitter>
<fernandes> @andrius glad it helped heheh
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<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> Crystal shards is down
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<FromGitter>
<girng> up now'
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<FromGitter>
<girng> how to convert string to symbol
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> string in a variable or a static string?
<FromGitter>
<girng> for example `.colorize(:yellow)` but i have a list of all the ansci colors in a string array
<FromGitter>
<girng> and want to pass `yellow` in
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> then just pass the string?
<FromGitter>
<girng> but i'm picking a random index from the array
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> where an obj would have *one* of those statues at a time
<FromGitter>
<girng> well, then using it for my use case would be wrong, my apologizes. cause the char img should be mutable
<FromGitter>
<girng> bad example by me
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> 👍
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> Wait — is the list of options mutable or just the image being used by the character?
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> because you can change the value of your `char_img` to a different enum member
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> Yeah — thats what I was driving at — the property is mutable, just not the list
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> just not change the actual list
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> ^
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> If the list is also mutable I think you just want an array held by some kind of higher level state that your characters will have access to
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> that you can load options into
<FromGitter>
<girng> is there an alternative to `pp` that shows the typeof
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> `p!`?
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> I’m currently feeling vaguely proud of myself because I’ve managed to extremely hackishly bind a native webview in crystal
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> er no
<FromGitter>
<girng> @Blacksmoke16 actually, that works 4 me
<FromGitter>
<girng> @Blacksmoke16 it shows what they are gonna be
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> ok
<FromGitter>
<girng> thanks i like `p!`
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> This does not help me for the main project I need a GUI for, but native webviews might be good enough for wrapping future webapps with
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> 👍 nice one
<FromGitter>
<girng> @Blacksmoke16 it seems like, when stuff is printed in the console, it's fair to see that Integers and Symbols (or enums) are NOT printed using "'s
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> I dunno if i’m going to bother trying to figure out how to put that correctly into some kind of library
<FromGitter>
<girng> But strings will always be wrapped with quotations, correct
<FromGitter>
<girng> <using `pp`>
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> sure
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> at least not for now, but im excited i got it working
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> some progress is better than none
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> the C library I wrapped is currently being rewritten and I was only able to get it working with the old version, not the new one, so it seems like it might be a big waste of time to put the effort into trying to package it up nice until the original author is done :P
<FromGitter>
<girng> what c library you using @meltheadorable
<FromGitter>
<meltheadorable> i also didn’t bind the whole library yet, just the simplest invocation
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<FromGitter>
<girng> i'm aobut finished with this crystal chat server 5000 project. but notsure if i should host it officially on a site when i release it on github
<FromGitter>
<girng> it's telnet based and needs a server
<FromGitter>
<girng> although, you can modify fake_friends.txt and run it locally
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<FromGitter>
<HCLarsen> Hey folks, long time no see.
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> o/
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<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> so, what's the dealio with static linking an macOS?
<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> I see that the static build process for LInux should be run in an Alpine container. fair enough.
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> mac doesnt support static linking
<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> so, what's required on the target system?
<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> Is this the same for the likes of Golang?
<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> It's just an OS limitation?
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> probably?
<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> Is it XCode that's required?
<FromGitter>
<tenebrousedge> darwin
<FromGitter>
<tenebrousedge> seems like a bad idea to try
<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> huh?
<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> Oh, I mean for a dynamically-linked version
<FromGitter>
<tenebrousedge> looks like you can install through `brew`
<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> but if the target didn't have Crystal installed
<FromGitter>
<absolutejam_gitlab> would the binary work?
<FromGitter>
<tenebrousedge> I'm pretty sure that's the idea, yeah
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<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> @asterite Do you have any ideas on how to handle processing larger non JSON inputs for the streaming stuff? Currently I can get the larger files to work, but some things fail with a `parse error: Unfinished string at EOF at line 1, column 65536` since im im thinking jq is trying to process input that isnt fully converted yet?
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> but i dont think i can *wait* until its done, otherwise i would fill the buffer again?
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<oprypin>
Blacksmoke16, what.. things should just work, maybe provide a real example
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> sorry, was based on some previous context
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> so currently if you give it non JSON input, it'll just hang. likely since the buffer on `IO.pipe` filling up, and not being processed
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> large non JSON input*
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> so to get around that i was doing the conversion in a fiber, but im thinking that causes issues when jq is reading the input
<FromGitter>
<asterite> @Blacksmoke16 I'm not sure. I didn't see any `spawn` in your code so I was surprised it worked... does it work at all?
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> sec, i didnt push it yet
<oprypin>
so i think what it boils down to, your program is not allowed to do an action that amounts to "read all of the program's output" without an explicit action indicating to the program's that the *input* is finished
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> that could be it, pretty sure bot the files are over 65k
<oprypin>
maybe there has to be an `input_read.close` somewhere
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<FromGitter>
<asterite> I think the spawn for the output must come before the other bit
<FromGitter>
<asterite> sorry, on cellphone
<FromGitter>
<asterite> move second spawn right after io pipe
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> same
<FromGitter>
<asterite> otherwise output write will be full
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> ill take it, thanks for the help
<FromGitter>
<rvprasad> Building the crystal compiler on Rasp Pi 3B fails runs out of memory. So, does anyone know the memory requirements of a machine to compile crystal compiler?
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> A good amount
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> prob at least 2 gigs?
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> based on my quick test
<rkeene>
You can just cross-compile it
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<FromGitter>
<rvprasad> @Blacksmoke16 If this is true, then crystal cannot be compiled on Rasp Pi <=3B+.
<FromGitter>
<Blacksmoke16> prob an accurate fact
<FromGitter>
<watzon> There's a lot of things you can't do with a device that has 1GB or RAM
<FromGitter>
<rvprasad> @FromIRC Cross compiling the crystal compiler object file on Ubuntu and linking it on Rasp Pi fails results in a "broken" behavior -- https://github.com/crystal-lang/crystal/issues/7978.
<FromGitter>
<rvprasad> @watzon While I agree with that view in many cases, I am surprised it is true in this case. Specifically, I am not sure if it is a bug in the cross-compiled bootstrap compiler or the code for crystal is indeed so complex/big that it needs more than 1GB to be compiled.
<FromGitter>
<watzon> The second one. Compiling on my machine takes more than 1GB regularly. If I remember right it caps out over 2GB.
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<FromGitter>
<asterite> Also, if cross-compiling doesn't work then compiling it on the machine itself won't work either. There's probably something else going on (incorrect C bindings or asm fiber code not correct, I don't know)
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<FromGitter>
<rvprasad> @asterite I tried compiling on RaspPi to check if the issue was with cross compilation. But, no luck :(