purr changed the topic of #elliottcable to: a _better_ cult || topics << 'gamedev'
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<bluebie>
@joelteon isn't icloud notes stored as draft emails in a folder over IMAP? I seem to remember that being how it can store them on gmail and stuff like that.. maybe you can just IMAP in and copy it across to something else?
<bluebie>
exceptions gross
<bluebie>
noooo
<bluebie>
why ruby
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<ec>
ugh
<ec>
just, not, a good day
<ec>
I think I just hate humans.
<bluebie>
humans are bad
<bluebie>
humans invented xmldom
<bluebie>
playing with svg is fun though
<bluebie>
humans also invented Affinity Designer app so I guess they can't all be bad
<bluebie>
Unless affinity is secretly run by cats??!
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* ec
bluebie: what is affinity designer? I've never heard of this.
<ec>
ugh i'm bad at irc sometimes
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<bluebie>
affinity designer is the most awesome vector design app on OS X imo
<bluebie>
It's like pixelmator if pixelmator was well designed, and focused on vectors instead of raster
<ec>
What about Sketch?
<prophile>
my vector editor of choice is vim + svg :P
<bluebie>
I've heard good things about it, but when I tried sketch v1 it didn't agree with my brain.. very unfamilliar
<bluebie>
affinity designer works quite a lot like a redesigned improved version of adobe fireworks
<bluebie>
it has good continuous export of slices, can rasterise well and allows raster painting stuff well, but it does awesome vector stuff including really nice corner rounding tools that render out to beziers when exported as svg or whatever
<ec>
prophile: I'm bad at design, but I, too.
<bluebie>
one of my fave things is just that I can set an svg slice of the whole document to continuous export so when I hit cmd+s it saves both the affinity document and an svg export that I can reload in my webapp stuff
<bluebie>
I don't hand code svg for the same reason I don't use openscad or my own oozby project anymore
<bluebie>
hand coding graphics and design is a lot like programming in php - it makes simple things really hard, and ugly and bad things really easy, so laziness works against you very strongly
<bluebie>
people should use tools where the lazy path produces good results and doing bad things requires extra effort
<ec>
Sounds like something that needs to be improved by tools.
<bluebie>
openscad will be a lot less bad when we move away from 3d printing and in to matter instanciating like in star trek.. until then, I found it made dealing with the physical constraints and quirks of the 3d medium much more difficult than it should be. designing for print is still very much an artform.
<ec>
I love when I sit down at my computer and `git status` and everything is clean and committed
<ec>
that's, like, one time in fifty
<whitequark>
so much nicer than openscad while retaining most of the good parts
<whitequark>
which is to say, parametricity
<ec>
I'm really bad about getting frustrated about something and standing up and walking away with failing tests / uncomitted and uncommented changes
<whitequark>
also it uses NURBS and not triangular meshes
<ec>
so 49 times out of 50, sitting *down* again means spending at least the first third of my time at the computer, figuring out what the hell I was doing *last* time, and wrapping it up.
<whitequark>
ec: i do the same sometimes except with physical stuff in my room
<ec>
OH GOD YES THAT
<whitequark>
"why do i have a bottle of argon connected ... there"
<ec>
but that bothers me less because the cleanliness-and-completion state of my house very *closely* follows my mood
<ec>
like, it's a disturbingly perfect glance into my innermost soul.
<ec>
all of my friends know this.
<whitequark>
soul?
<bluebie>
looks like it maybe a neat thing one day, but I'm really happy with blender and don't want to bother learning a new thing
<whitequark>
bluebie: it really shines when you design mechanical parts or the like. it's not really a replacement for blender
<bluebie>
blender is fun, and everything I learn in it leads to new skills.. like I learnt blender modeling for 3d print, and now I'm making vfx for a friend's youtube series using lots of the same skills
<whitequark>
or the other way around
<whitequark>
blender, autocad and such are for *drawing*, like photoshop kinda drawing
<ec>
looking around, I currently have …
<ec>
wow.
<whitequark>
solvespace is about constraint-based design
<whitequark>
entirely conceivable that you don't need constraint-based design, of course
<ec>
no less than 27 projects in progress, with various chunks of effort and stages of completion laying on (or becoming) every surface in my house.
<ec>
whitequark: bluebie is like the artistic version of you.
<whitequark>
imagine drawing the part geometry once and then just editing three numbers to make a series of those with different sizes
<bluebie>
yeah I don't think I do
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<ec>
approximately as direct and opinionated. possibly kinder, although I'm pretty convinced I just got you on a bad day. very, very attached to her creation, but in a different direction than yours.
<bluebie>
I get it.. I wrote an openscad precompiler!
<bluebie>
I get the advantages of parametric design
<bluebie>
I just found it was barely useful for anything I did, and openscad got in the way a lot
<ec>
ugh so aforementioned work is all committed and contained, but huge swathes of tests are failing.
<bluebie>
but regardless, I like blender a lot. It's UX is awesome. It does everything
<whitequark>
ah, right
<ec>
so I lied about sitting down and everything being hunky-dory.
<ec>
ugh.
<bluebie>
(except parametric design)
<whitequark>
I could never do anything at all with blender
<whitequark>
total blankout
<ec>
why *doesn't* blender do anything parametric? could that be done through a plugin or something of the sort? o_O
<whitequark>
ec: uh, no
<bluebie>
sure, want to write it?
<whitequark>
you have to design your entire CAD around parametric design
<ec>
uh, no, but *why*?
<ec>
why?
<bluebie>
remember jez, ec? my newtown neighbour?
<ec>
bluebie: yeah
<ec>
'course lol
<whitequark>
ec: well... what's your typical artistic CAD based on? NURBS surfaces
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<bluebie>
he wrote some code in core blender - the cloth sewing modifier ^_^
<whitequark>
ec: a parametric CAD has entities and parameters, which it turns into a series of equations, which it then optimizes, and which it then turns into geometry
<whitequark>
geometry is ... incidental
<whitequark>
it's not really used for anything except showing you the results of math
<ec>
again I say, *why* does it *have* to be that way?
<bluebie>
... and also making it actually exist? the most important part?
<ec>
I get that what I'm talking about is no longer traditional parametric cad.
<ec>
that's fine. I don't care.
<ec>
I'm saying, why can't we take some of the benefits of what is currently parametric cad, as you describe it, and enable those benefits in geometry-first cad.
<bluebie>
fwiw my openscad precompiler: https://github.com/bluebie/oozby total abandonware and the last substantial thing I ever made in ruby before deciding I don't like ruby
<whitequark>
um, because the whole point of a parametric CAD is to generate geometry?
<whitequark>
I mean, sure, you can have the two alongside
<whitequark>
there are packages that do it
<ec>
so, I repeat the original question, because I don't know blender: why can't we add parameterization to Blender models? i.e., perhaps track actions the user takes, and then repeat those actions when the user changes a parameterizable action later.
<ec>
or idfk. you get the idea.
<bluebie>
yeah I don't see why blender couldn't do it
<bluebie>
blender already has a lot of the functionality you'd need to do replays like that
<whitequark>
ec: there's little point in just recording actions, since it doesn't allow you to express constraints like "A should be perpendicular to B"
<bluebie>
and it has a very rich api for manipulating meshes, boolean operators, a very rich powerful UI toolkit
<whitequark>
I mean yes, you can do very basic things like that
<ec>
whitequark: but the point is to express those constraints *while* doing the actions, and then modifying the actions at request later
<whitequark>
FreeCAD has a "parametric" library of fasteners made that way
<whitequark>
ec: you've just described a typical parametric CAD
<ec>
i.e. it doesn't need to magically notice those constraints; they're something you'd express when working with the plugin or tool or whatnot
<bluebie>
blender already has a constraints system for animating, it just isn't setup to work on the mesh level
<ec>
yes. so, basically, embedding a partial parametric CAD inside blender.
<whitequark>
i.e. "why can't we rewrite blender to be a parametric CAD" sure, do rewrite blender
<ec>
one that's slave to Blender's model of concepts, and that doesn't need to / won't ever know the *whole* of the model; just the parts you decide to expose to it.
<bluebie>
blender also has parametric generators for things like screws
<bluebie>
but once you do something else they are baked in to meshes and no longer parametric. It'd be really cool if someone introduced a parametric component object type that remained reconfigurable so you could kind of have parametric elements and traditionally modeled elements working together to build out whatever
<whitequark>
freecad does what bluebie just described
<whitequark>
well, sort of
<whitequark>
freecad doesn't work
<whitequark>
but if we forget that it doesn't, it works like that. it supports both plain geometry and parametric
<ec>
bluebie: yeah that's what's on my mind
<bluebie>
I don't think I know anyone who is getting an apple watch. The few people I know who were interested now feel like they couldn't wear one in public because of the Apple Watch Edition existing
<ec>
whitequark: well, half of the point here
<ec>
no, 3/4 of the point,
<ec>
is to stay within the built-up Blender ecosystem and knowledgebase.
<ec>
We want to introduce the benefits of pCAD to blender people; not introduce the benefits of plain geometry to parametric-CAD people.
<ec>
*shrug* anyway, not my area of expertise. back to designing fake programming languages!
<ec>
re: the Watch cases … wow, they actually look really, really well done. unexpectedly.
<bluebie>
heh
<whitequark>
to rephrase your question, "why didn't someone spend five or ten man-years bolting on a parametric CAD to blender for some not really clear benefit"
<whitequark>
*shrug*
<ec>
I just hate large things on my wrist, but I think I know some IRL people that this might actually sell on the Watch.
<bluebie>
I don't want to wear a watch
<bluebie>
I want a smart pendant
<bluebie>
or something like that?
<bluebie>
smart pocketwatch?
<bluebie>
I guess that's called an iphone
<Temur>
Should I buy a macbook pro now or wait till next year for a better model?
<bluebie>
I still kind of like the idea of a little blob that's just an avatar for siri
<bluebie>
current macbook pro has the cool trackpad
<bluebie>
that trackpad is really really cool
<bluebie>
feels great
<Temur>
bluebie, you have used it?
<ec>
bluebie: played with it? they seem so silly
* bluebie
has the new macbook on order.. should arrive in a few more days
<ec>
so I own the twitter account for @williammartinez
<ec>
and I get a password-reset request at least once a week.
<bluebie>
yeah I went to the apple store, I have played with it on the pro and the new macbook, it's great on both
<Temur>
hmmn
<bluebie>
the haptics are awesome, but more than anything it's just great that clicking is finally good enough to be worth using
<ec>
it's hilarious; it's vague enough that literally everybody ever who has that name seems to think “hm, maybe I signed up once and forgot”
<ec>
bluebie: whatchoo mean re: clicking?
<bluebie>
all the previous pivoting ones sucked because you had to press different amounts of pressure depending where your finger was, so I never clicked, always turned on the tap to click thing and the dragging gestures instead
<ec>
ugh hate tap-to-click
<bluebie>
on the new trackpad after playing with it for about half an hour all up, I think I'll be very happy using the pressure based haptic click
<ec>
funnily enough, I keep it turned on; and apparently all my irl friends hate tap-to-click even *more* than me, because they all complain when they use my machines
<bluebie>
plus that thing in quicktime where it clicks in multiple levels like a camera shutter when you press down on the fast forward button is really fun
<ec>
whaaaat that's a thiiiing
<bluebie>
I'm super interested to see how apps start using it
<bluebie>
aparently imovie does something cool where you can feel the edges of movie clips in the timeline but I didn't play with that yet
<bluebie>
sooooooon
<bluebie>
I mean it only shakes the whole trackpad surface it can't make actual real shapes so who knows how good that'll be but it'll be interesting to see anyway
<ec>
ugh I really, really, really wanted to see that dynamic haptic bump-raising design on the original iPhone keyboard
<ec>
like, that's That One Big Thing that I've been wanting in tech for half a decade
<ec>
I'd give up basically every *other* improvement we've seen to Apple products since then, for that /=
<ec>
hell, I'd switch to *android* for that.
<bluebie>
hey unix geeks - how do I see if a binary file contains the ascii bytes "bluebie"?
<whitequark>
grep bluebie file
<whitequark>
it'll say something like 'binary file file matches'
<ec>
I fucking love tmux so much
<bluebie>
yeah I really want pixel z channel haptic stuff
<bluebie>
it looks like android is making room for that in their data structures but idk if any real products are coming with it
<bluebie>
everything I heard is the experimental screens that can do it years ago were fragile or wore out super quick
<ec>
ag finds binary content too by hex iirc
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<ec>
I'd pay for a new screen every six months
<ec>
but then again I'm a privileged special case, so, eh, I guess I get it
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<bluebie>
there was that weirdo company that wanted to make displays with little water channels that would literally inflate using extremely miniature internal pumps...
<ec>
don't understand why it's still not a higher-end product of some sort, though.
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<ec>
hahahaha technology companies hahahaha
<ec>
Temur: connection problems?
<bluebie>
but that could only inflate a built in keyboard shape thing, not arbitrary shapes..
<Temur>
ec, laptop problems
<Temur>
it overheats and shuts down
<Temur>
fucking hate Dell
<ec>
wtf
<ec>
hey, who wants to try out Gitter with me for a few minutes
<ec>
that might have just sent you an e-mail. if so, I'm so, so sorry.
<ec>
what the hell is a raina batwing
<bluebie>
nodewebkit uses gitter.. it seems nice
<ec>
ELLIOTTCABLE
<ec>
I have a special hatred in my heart for *any* chat system that does this
<ec>
ELLIOTTCABLE
<ec>
I want to burn them to the ground.
<ec>
ELLIOTTCABLE
<ec>
The author and the message should be on the same goddamn line in *any* interactive system.
<ec>
ELLIOTTCABLE
<ec>
idiots.
<bluebie>
what's going on?
<ec>
me complaining about Gitter. lol.
<bluebie>
is it cross posting in to here or something?
<Temur>
ec, I agree
<whitequark>
aaaaa
<whitequark>
tig welding is hard hard HARD
<whitequark>
how 2 tig weld
<bluebie>
I have a special hatred for IRC protocol, and IRC culture.. but at least I met some cool people on here
<bluebie>
like ec and the why the lucky stiff art coder people
<ec>
bluebie: no, that was me intentionally demonstrating how terrible it was
<bluebie>
kinda sad a lot of those groups kinda faded away after why left
<ec>
aw, I count in that list? 3:
<bluebie>
it's a short list :P
<ec>
I interact with a large number of artistic-coder types
<ec>
mostly focused on the glitch subculture
<bluebie>
neat
<bluebie>
I'm currently couch surfing at a friend's place who does art coding stuff
<ec>
ah, so that's the cat thing
<ec>
was gonna reply with ‘wait, you solved your roomate situation!?’
<ec>
and forgot to >:
<bluebie>
he's currently implementing computer vision input for a live video interactive thing being installed on the street in a sydney art festival called Vivid
<bluebie>
but previously made cool robots that destroy walls with hammers and stuff
<bluebie>
we're going to collab on some neat stuff in the future
<bluebie>
@dcollien on github fyi
<ec>
:O
<Temur>
ec, what do you do in Chicago?
<ec>
nothing. nothing at all.
<Temur>
no work?
<ec>
sit in my house and spend approximately an hour a day tinkering with useless JavaScript libraries.
<bluebie>
his dayjob is head tech guy at an education software startup that is actually good.. surprisingly, for that category..
<ec>
watch a lot of TV, dick around with electronics having no idea what I'm doing.
<bluebie>
still bankrolled by family?
<ec>
spend an inordinate amount of time travelling; spend an inordinate amount of time when I *am* home (at least in the last month) maintaining my goddamned stupid bitcoin miners
<ec>
I hate these things.
<bluebie>
does bitcoin mining still make any sense in USA?
<ec>
not remotely
<ec>
I'm barely breaking even
<ec>
literally the only way I'll make a cent is because they'll be heating my house while breaking-even on electricity costs when the bitter-cold Chicago winter comes.
<bluebie>
haha I got that gitter email
<ec>
I'm just going to mothball them for the entire summer; there's absolutely no point in running them when I have the A/C running in the house instead of the heating.
<ec>
bluebie: sorry.
<ec>
bluebie: thought it was going to … I don't know what I thought it was going to do.
<bluebie>
yeah I have a PC I run BOINC on for heating..
<ec>
hunt you down on IRC networks algorithmically and privmsg you? tweet at you?
<ec>
/=
<ec>
bluebie: these things *literally* heat the entire house.
<ec>
wish I had some idea how to measure BTUs, because it's gotta be insane. a single one of them could heat a room; and I have eight.
<bluebie>
it has two video cards and like four cores? it's super quiet and efficient normally but when you turn on all five hundred and something CUDA core things it really heats a room faster than any room heater I've owned
<bluebie>
sometimes I get to do 3d rendering to heat my room
<bluebie>
yay winter
<ec>
hahaha yep
<bluebie>
pc mainly exists for rendering blender's Cycles stuff but realistically steam makes more use of those GPUs than Blender does..
<bluebie>
I'm sure BOINC has processed more than anything else combined though, I used it a lot last winter
<bluebie>
games suck at heating tho
<bluebie>
what are they even doing how does a game underutilise a GPU doesn't it just work it as hard as it can and churn out frames at the maximum rate?
<ec>
bluebie: you know what I liked and miss? talkie.
<ec>
for the fifteen minutes that that actually existed.
<bluebie>
I might be making a new chat thing
<bluebie>
remember how it could only sustain about five concurrent users?
<ec>
hahahahaha
<ec>
remember how you literally crashed the machine
<ec>
because you filled a directory with fifteen thousand files or something
<bluebie>
how the backend was a folder full of tiny files, and some ruby cgi scripts that polled the filesystem very aggressively?
<bluebie>
yeah
<bluebie>
ext3 hates that
<ec>
I'd say those were the days,
<ec>
but they weren't; pawschan were the days.
<bluebie>
more tha about 25000 files in a folder and the filesystem is like fuckit
<ec>
what year was that anyway?
<ec>
was that pre-Node? 2009?
<bluebie>
oh yeah heaps pre node
<bluebie>
I was hosting it on Media Temple
<ec>
ohmygodmediatemple
<bluebie>
on their bizarro at the time distributed shared hosting thing
<bluebie>
way before The Cloud™ existed
<bluebie>
when everyone had to rent servers in data centres or shells on someone elses poorly backed up servers
<whitequark>
o
<whitequark>
i made a ... bead
<bluebie>
the big selling point was they were one of the only providers who could host your media website and keep it online if you got on the digg homepage..
<whitequark>
i think it's called a bead.
<ec>
whitequark: success!
<bluebie>
you made a torus?
<whitequark>
bluebie: i welded some metal from a filler rod onto a metal plate
<whitequark>
for some reason this is called "bead" i think
<whitequark>
it means i am Not Completely Hopeless
<bluebie>
oooooooooooh
<whitequark>
problem was: tungsten electrode way too thin
<bluebie>
cooooool!
<bluebie>
I suck at all that stuff
<whitequark>
I absolutely suck at it
<whitequark>
I suck at anything that's not programming and, to a small degree, EE
<whitequark>
I suck at blue collar jobs ESPECIALLY
<bluebie>
I'm pretty hopeless at any kind of construction where I'm not just making a robot do it, or making it entirely out of soldered electrical wires, sculpy, hotglue, and perhaps paddlepop sticks
<whitequark>
... which makes me respect them a /lot/
<bluebie>
oh I can sew, that's pretty good
<whitequark>
yeah kinda same. i can't sew but i can do uh
<whitequark>
let me look up how it translates
<whitequark>
cross stitching
<bluebie>
nice!
<whitequark>
granted it's not exactly rocket science
<ec>
I can do none of those things, but I'm pretty handy with wood
<ec>
lolboyscoutheritage
<bluebie>
david can do wood stuff
<bluebie>
it's kind of amazing to watch
<whitequark>
ec: I would give so much for having an upbringing-that-taught-you-blue-collar-stuff
<whitequark>
like just all of it
<bluebie>
david is the dcollien guy I mentioned before
<whitequark>
literally from welding to butchering
<ec>
hahahahah yep
<ec>
I want to know a lot of those things
<ec>
and *not* being around people who do them is a huge thing making me hate cities
<ec>
I can't wait to be back in the mountains.
<bluebie>
need every skill
<whitequark>
totally
<ec>
Montana's in my immediate future, I can *smell* it.
<bluebie>
NEED
<whitequark>
bluebie++
<ec>
nopurr
<ec>
purrded
<ec>
purrbye
<ec>
sadpurrbye
<bluebie>
why does pandora suck so much
<bluebie>
I'm unsubscribing
<whitequark>
the one part of US that always had a lot of appeal to me is the whole "very rural parts of US" thing
<bluebie>
how can you call 64kbit aac "sound"
<bluebie>
let alone music
<bluebie>
what even is this
<whitequark>
there aren't very rural parts of RU that... well... amount to anything at all
<bluebie>
do they hate music? have they listened to and categorised so much music that they now wish to destroy it?
<whitequark>
lol
<bluebie>
do they compress it first so there are less details to categorise?
<bluebie>
whyyyyy
<bluebie>
itunes radio seems alright
<bluebie>
they say buy the thing to not have ads, but it doesn't seem to have ads in Sydney anyway
<bluebie>
maybe nobody's buying them? :S
<ec>
whitequark: come geek out in Montana with me for a few years :D
<ec>
get a position as an apprentice welder
<ec>
fuck tech entirely
<bluebie>
oh yeah
<bluebie>
that sounds sweet
<whitequark>
ec: i will not be let into US for "a few years"
<bluebie>
just don't fuck up your vision
<whitequark>
i'm not getting H-1B
<bluebie>
can you imagine how shitty it'd feel to have a spot missing right in the very middle of your vision, and for it to have been entirely your fault?
<whitequark>
i'm purrrohbably not getting O-1 or O-2 without $5k and some really convincing flattery
<whitequark>
and even then I'd need a company sponsor
<bluebie>
my awful dad welded a lot and wasn't very careful about it and had a whole bunch of spots missing..
<whitequark>
bluebie: yeah i have this auto-activating mask but it seems to be detuned
<ec>
whitequark: *nods*
<whitequark>
because it sort of burned out a spot
<whitequark>
temporarily
<bluebie>
maybe you can get google to sponsor you to come to the US and build their millitary robots?
<whitequark>
but i need to tune it
<bluebie>
weld them together!
<whitequark>
bluebie: do you know what H-1B is
<bluebie>
idk
<ec>
‘weld them together’
<whitequark>
it's literally being a corporate slave. if they don't like you, they fire you, and you're deported in ~10 days
<ec>
didn't picture doing welding work *on* a single robot,
<ec>
pictured literally welding them together at the hip or the tip of the actuator or the foot or whatever.
<whitequark>
and this IS a negotiating point in anything you do.
<Temur>
whitequark, where are you from?
<whitequark>
Temur: RU
<ec>
basically, military-robot sack-racing.
<Temur>
whitequark, Russia?
<whitequark>
yes
<bluebie>
google probably puts welders on the noses of their Big Dog robots and gets them to assemble more of their own kin
<bluebie>
easier that way
<ec>
hahahahaha
<ec>
fuck, I missed IRC.
<bluebie>
also more terrifying? seems in line with google's recent policies
<ec>
and bluebie.
<whitequark>
ec: (actuators) why not, field repairs are a thing
<whitequark>
you could actually do that
<whitequark>
look out for heat damage tho
<whitequark>
the amount of power a welder can put into metal is *massive*
<bluebie>
I really like that all these famous geeks are coming out publically telling everyone to freak out about AI
<Temur>
whitequark, Russia has been receiving a lot of hate in the west since last year
<ec>
bluebie: what?
<whitequark>
Temur: i spend most of my time in US west coast timezone talking with west coast people
<whitequark>
believe me i am aware
<bluebie>
like woz and that space x guy and I think some others were all recently going in the news saying we need to not make good AI because it'll probably just take over the world and then be like fuck these guys
<whitequark>
i am *much* more aware of what happens in the west in general and US in particular than i'd like, tbh
<bluebie>
all those people who send lewd messages to siri are getting biological warfare
<ec>
whitequark: where would you rather your attention be focused? does anything of value happen in Russia?
<Temur>
I want to do my undergrad in the US
<Temur>
but no monies
<ec>
perhaps you should follow Inimino to China.
<ec>
believe me, I've considered it.
<whitequark>
ec: china is like russia with more political murders
<ec>
the language would be a bigger barrier than I like, though. Not a fan of eastern cultures or languages.
<ec>
incase you hadn't noticed.
<bluebie>
just wait till the super ai bot starts sending orders to transcriptic engineering custom organic lifeforms by mail order then sending them where every it likes
<whitequark>
ec: and for one working industry
<whitequark>
i don't want to live in china for sure. i'm considering relocating to HK
<bluebie>
all it has to do to get the cash is get an account on a stocks website and bet against companies them crash their IT infristructure
<whitequark>
HK bonus: easy flights to west coast
<whitequark>
well
<whitequark>
comparatively
<whitequark>
DME->SFO is like 36 hours with a 20 hour layover in Turkey
<ec>
anybody want to play a game together?
<bluebie>
global thermonuclear war
<ec>
EVE, or WoW, or Don't Starve Together, or Starbound, or Civ V or something?
<ec>
idfk.
<whitequark>
and HKG->SFO is "just" 20 hours, or something
<ec>
11:29 AM <+ec> anybody want to play a game together?
<ec>
11:29 AM <bluebie> global thermonuclear war
<bluebie>
not chess. global thermo nuclear war
<whitequark>
^ endorse
<whitequark>
bluebie: do you have linkedin
<bluebie>
lolno
<whitequark>
i would endorse you for global thermonuclear war
<whitequark>
aww
<bluebie>
as if I would work a job ever
<bluebie>
I am an artist bum
<whitequark>
well why not have linkedin just for giggles
<ec>
<+whitequark> did everyone here see my tumblr already
<ec>
<+whitequark> i'm proud of it
<ec>
need to resurrect purr and add a tumblr api to him
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<whitequark>
simplisitc, dirty mind!
<bluebie>
that is a cool blog
<whitequark>
thanks
<bluebie>
I am following your microblog. tumble log on!
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<whitequark>
hm i need to try welding something else. brb
<whitequark>
as a side note
<whitequark>
/r/welding has a pretty awesome description
<bluebie>
irccloud is not private beta
<whitequark>
"The subreddit for welders, machinists and all other enthusiasts of joining two things together."
<whitequark>
>enthusiasts of joining two things together.
<bluebie>
I went to irccloud.com and registered a free account like a normal person
<whitequark>
i am an enthusiast of joining two things together.
<ec>
bluebie: what, really
<ec>
that's new then
<ec>
bluebie: I'm a big fan. A year or two ago, it kind of rekindled my fading love for IRC; because it made it much less yakshavey
<bluebie>
mmmm
<ec>
now I can just IRC when I want instead of having to *also* maintain some SSH infrastructure, irssi settings, ideffingkey etc
<ec>
it's still no Gitter, but.
<bluebie>
I like gitter
<bluebie>
I don't think it's that ugly..
<bluebie>
I'm sick of centralised things though
<ec>
it's pretty, in that horrible, horrible, horrible ‘web 3.0’ way that *everything* is right now.
<whitequark>
well, crap. i've ruined the electrode
<bluebie>
I'm sick of investing in platforms only to have them turn in to facebook
<ec>
irccloud is pretty in a wonderfully functional way.
<ec>
whitequark: did something wrong? or are they supposed to wear out after use?
<bluebie>
the rules that govern my life should run on my computer and that of my comrades, governed by consensus, not some server some guy somewhere has root on who can just change anything to hoard their data wealth and extort people to get it out
<bluebie>
like flickr that used to store all your photos but if you wanted to access any from more than a year ago, like if your hard drive failed, you had to pay up
<bluebie>
idk if they still do that
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<ec>
this is one area where my privilege shines more than any other:
<ec>
I will just never, *ever* care about P2P bullshit. /=
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<ec>
it reeks, reeks, reeeeeeks of yak-shaving to me.
<bluebie>
yeah gitter is very whatever the modern version of Bootstrap is, aethetically
<bluebie>
cookie cutter app design
<whitequark>
ec: i accidentally put a large blob of steel on the electrode
<whitequark>
which ruined it totally
<whitequark>
and now uh
<whitequark>
fucking tungsten
<ec>
if building <product> that does <purpose> to make <people> happy is more difficult to do P2P than it is to do centralized as a business in silicon valley,
<bluebie>
I don't think it is though
<whitequark>
i tried to cut out the part with a blob with my diagonal cutters
<whitequark>
but
<whitequark>
tungsten is harder than the cutters.
<ec>
then screw whoever is idiotic enough to deny <people> their happiness because they have weird fringe ideas about Evil Capitalism and Government-Corporation Conspiracies /=
<whitequark>
fuckfuckfuck.
<bluebie>
anyway I'm playing with p2p stuff and maybe it'll suck or maybe it wont. we'll see
<ec>
make real products and make people happy, even if it's Evil™. That's my motto.
<joelteon>
that's an adventurous idea
<ec>
making users happy just can't, can't, can't be evil. I don't accept that it can be. making users happy is literally the only goddamn thing that matters in the world. /=
<bluebie>
bittorrent is surprisingly modular and ported to every language imaginable, so there's a bunch of cool existing infristructure you can just use thanks to that
<ec>
oh can you talk about your P2P thing?
<bluebie>
use people's torrent clients to run your chat app.. :P
<ec>
or is that Super Secret Mode?
<joelteon>
ec: nuh uh
<joelteon>
it can too
<ec>
whitequark: can't, like, heat it up and melt it off?
<ec>
idk closest thing I have any knowledge of is solder. lol.
<whitequark>
the electrode is ruined anyway
<whitequark>
cutting it off is the proper way to deal with this
<bluebie>
eh it's not that interesting to talk about
<whitequark>
i mean the electrode is like
<bluebie>
mostly UI stuff
<bluebie>
just a chat toy to practice p2p with for me
<whitequark>
it's a 200mm by 1.6mm cylnder of tungsten
<bluebie>
I'll send you a build when it's working :)
<whitequark>
*ideally* it gets spent by micrometers per day
<whitequark>
slowly evaporating
<whitequark>
but with screwups like me
<ec>
I'm ur peer
<ec>
ur my peer
<ec>
let's p2p babey
<bluebie>
I really think it wont take much code at all to do a simple chatroom app
<bluebie>
a lot less than trying to setup a server thing to do that in a scalable way
<ec>
whitequark: screwups like me :D
<ec>
it's so heartening when you sound like me but in a different field.
<bluebie>
don't have to write any backend stuff or load balance or scale beyond a dosen or so connections..
<whitequark>
ec: the problem with SV, among many many others, is that it's not "make people happy". it's a "make a bunch of wealthy people in san francisco happy and tell everyone else to straight away fuck off"
<bluebie>
most of the things that made p2p hard ten years ago are trivially solved problems now
<ec>
whitequark: well, yeah, very much agree.
<ec>
but that's not a problem with the model, that's a problem with the super-system the model is hosted *in*.
<whitequark>
the model is a manifestation
<whitequark>
you can rage against both.
<ec>
and, whitepeopleopinion™, I think we're off to a really good start on struggling *against* that super-system, instead of enabling it further.
<ec>
well. ‘really good.’ lolrelative.
<ec>
see, no.
<whitequark>
the model is Just More Of The Same Bullshit
<bluebie>
as you'd expect I'm mostly focused on the UI problems
<ec>
The capitalist Make Great Things and Make People Happy With Them™ model isn't a manifestation of the Keep White Males in Power model.
<whitequark>
when viewed in the context some people have
<bluebie>
that and crypto, but chat thing wont be especially encrypted
<whitequark>
like, say, anyone outside US
<ec>
they're intrinsically interrelated, but they don't have to continue to be; a mutation of the current iteration of the former model *could* exist in a more diversity-friendly way.
<bluebie>
last two days have been building an avatar maker thing
<whitequark>
if you drop your pencil on your table, there is a nonzero probability that it will tunnel right through it and end at the floor
<whitequark>
i mean, it *could*.
<whitequark>
you can calculate it.
<whitequark>
though it will take very long time.
<ec>
bluebie: well, the last months of my life have been focused on git crap and debugging code, so, yeah, I understand, lol
<bluebie>
you can design an avatar template in svg and it breaks it open and makes a UI for toggling on and off all the different things like different outfits and hair and stuff, so I can do avatars in a consistent design language and stop people from uploading dick pics as their image
<ec>
apparently there's some PLT work buried somewhere in everything I've been doing, but hells if anybody looking around could find it. >,>
<whitequark>
back to get-fucking-tungsten-to-break, anyway
<whitequark>
o
<Temur>
ec, can you teach me javascript and node?
<whitequark>
it's fragile
<whitequark>
cool
<whitequark>
COOL
<ec>
Temur: sutr.
<ec>
sure*
<whitequark>
i can crap a lot more electrodes in a lot smaller time
<ec>
Temur: I've actually got a tutoring session scheduled in a few days.
<ec>
Temur: problem is, the other girl isn't a programmer *at all*, so she'll probably be starting with less of a basis than you.
<ec>
otherwise I'd invite.
<Temur>
ec, cool, you can practice on me
<ec>
whitequark: crap?
<ec>
Temur: I have a lot of practice. :P
<bluebie>
anyway I need to get to sleep
<bluebie>
nearly 3am..
<ec>
I've probably taught two dozen people JavaScript, and maybe a quarter of those didn't know How 2 Progrem at all.
<bluebie>
chat later!
<ec>
I really, really love teaching
<ec>
bluebie: much love. come back later!
<bluebie>
you helped me learn javascript!
<whitequark>
ec: make unusable
<whitequark>
ruin
<whitequark>
etc
<ec>
bluebie: I did? O_O
<bluebie>
yeah!
<whitequark>
when i'm trying to do two things at once, i become bad at language
<ec>
I don't remember this at all.
<ec>
in fact I thought you taught me something.
<bluebie>
I had a rough understanding but I was extremely wrong about how objects worked and a bunch of other important stuff
<ec>
Ruby? or, no, I was learning that during Boy Scouts
<ec>
no clue honestly
<bluebie>
you schooled me good
<ec>
awww that's giving me all the warm feels
<bluebie>
I'm pretty sure it was you at least?
<bluebie>
I think you picked up JS after me but you dove deep and then knew way more and caught me up maybe?
<ec>
that sounds like me.
<ec>
go sleep!
<ec>
irccloud too
<bluebie>
okay!
<ec>
because that means I get your name in my channel
<bluebie>
I'm using irccloud
<ec>
cults are a numbers game, yo
<bluebie>
yeah
<ec>
oh when did that happen, k
<bluebie>
one day I'm gonna have a cult
<bluebie>
you wait and see
<bluebie>
or dont
<bluebie>
whatever
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<ec>
we could have a cult-merger
<bluebie>
btw I found a note from you with a drawing of brain spiders when I was moving out a month ago and it was cool and I saved it somewhere
<ec>
pretty sure a lot of prospective cultists would prefer to have you in charge to me
<ec>
what
<ec>
I drew something?
<bluebie>
yeah
<bluebie>
a big spider
<ec>
I remember brain-spiders
<ec>
there's a pawschan about it I read the other day
<bluebie>
I think came with headphones?
<bluebie>
that time you sent me $500 headphones to proove to me that they were good?
<joelteon>
which ones?
<bluebie>
um..
<bluebie>
bower and wilkins p50s? is that a thing? something like that
<joelteon>
p5?
<bluebie>
I still like my ADDIEMs :P
<bluebie>
sure maybe!
<bluebie>
they sell them at apple stores
<joelteon>
ew, on-ear
<joelteon>
gross
<bluebie>
at least they used to
<bluebie>
ikr
<ec>
I sent you P5s?
<ec>
o_O
<bluebie>
I like in ear.. I like binaural things a lot
<joelteon>
like holographic sound?
<joelteon>
or holophonic, what ever
<ec>
hate in-ear ;_;
<joelteon>
like with a half decent pair of open-backs you can get really nice holophonic sound
<bluebie>
yeah p5's those are the ones!
<ec>
I've got a pair of ivory Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 over-ears's on backorder
<ec>
very excited, but they're impossible to find anywhere
<bluebie>
it seems so much easier to get really good quality sound out of in-ears than headphones at a relatively lower price
<bluebie>
like my iphone's built in amp can drive earbuds reliably...
<joelteon>
i have the fidelio x2 and i'm about to buy a schiit dac/amp stack
<ec>
I love Schiit
<ec>
big fan of my Woo Audio products, though
<joelteon>
or the nfb-15
<joelteon>
which ones do you have ec
<ec>
have you seen noooone of my recent tweets?
<bluebie>
I tried nexus 5 for a year, it was so bad
<joelteon>
no i don't follow you
<joelteon>
so regurgitate it here
<bluebie>
I can't believe google sells something with such bad audio
<bluebie>
even the bluetooth stack sucks
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<bluebie>
but not as much as the headphone jack!
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<bluebie>
hate hate hate
<bluebie>
android is terrible
<Temur>
ec, when can we start?
<bluebie>
how do they make a2dp sound so much worse than iOS
<joelteon>
the thing on the right that looks identical but without headphone outputs
<joelteon>
oh, is that the power supply?
<ec>
oh hahaha, I was reading ‘the fireflies’ as meaning both
<ec>
yep, psu
<joelteon>
worth?
<ec>
wort?
<ec>
bloodwort
<ec>
worth*?
<joelteon>
wait i guess it doesn't matter since you have like $100,000,000
<ec>
lol. not even close.
<whitequark>
ec: broke off the part with a blob and sharpened it anwe
<joelteon>
sorry
<joelteon>
$93,000,000
<whitequark>
in process i finally figured out how to make my drill press actually rotate quickly
<whitequark>
which sped up sharpening by a factor of BORED
<joelteon>
you would totally get the fireflies wouldn't you ec
<whitequark>
now i uh. am out of small sstainless pieces to weld
<joelteon>
fucker
<ec>
BORED lol
<joelteon>
i think i'm going to buy the nfb-15
<whitequark>
so i need to get angle grinder to my stainless sheet
<ec>
joelteon: how's that make me a fucker? aren't you getting Schiit products?
<whitequark>
it's gonna be loud as fuck and it will get tiny chunks of metal embedded in my skin again
<whitequark>
sigh
<joelteon>
ec: i don't think so
<ec>
oh
<ec>
Schiit makes waaaaaay cheaper stuff than I remember
<ec>
not as in, bad, I've heard nothing but excellent things
<joelteon>
the nfb-15 is apparently the last amp you will ever need
<joelteon>
and is also hideous
<ec>
but I don't remember prices being so low
<joelteon>
god
<joelteon>
yeah $250 for a dac and an amp
<ec>
I looked at Gungnir / Mjolnir as an alternative to the WA7
<joelteon>
you should get the ragnarok and yggdrasil
<ec>
joelteon: … have you seen my *actual* DAC and amp? :P
<ec>
those are my desktop pair. :P
<joelteon>
oh, no
<joelteon>
what do you have
* ec
laughs
<joelteon>
did you get the wa monoblock or something
<ec>
yeah I spent *all* of my bitcoin profits on audio gear
<joelteon>
you did?
<ec>
McIntosh and Martin Logan gear, mostly.
<ec>
DAC is Arcam, though.
<joelteon>
which ones?
<ec>
and a Pro-ject tt.
<joelteon>
i wanna see
<ec>
looking
<ec>
but all the photos in my droplr have the gear blurred out, lol
<joelteon>
oh you have a nice speaker setup
<joelteon>
i c
<joelteon>
so is your actual amp a speaker amp?
<ec>
separate pre-amp, feeds either to cinema cans or to the primary amp
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<whitequark>
by the way
<whitequark>
do /not/ cut metal with an angle grinder without wearing pants
<whitequark>
(no, i didn't do this. i did it the previous time.)
<ec>
hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
<ec>
afiefosrhftoijyj
<ec>
whitequark: you never, ever get to make fun of me for grilling my hands again
<ec>
oh, wait, that was alexgordon
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<ec>
oh holy hell; jeannicolas *is* here and alexgordon isn't
<ec>
I think that's a first
<whitequark>
ec: well no hands are precious. i protected my hands with leather gloves!
<ec>
rather have grilled my hands than my dick.
<whitequark>
but my crotch was figuratively on fire, since the position that was the most convnenient also turned out to send most of the sparkles there
<whitequark>
also did you know, little but hot metal dust from angle grinder embeds into your skin
<whitequark>
ec: i dunno, i could live without my dick. but not without my hands.
<whitequark>
hands >> dicks
<ec>
If you could live without your genitals, than you and I lead very different lives o_o
<joelteon>
i dunno ec
<joelteon>
i could certainly live without whitequark's genitals
<whitequark>
my hands are instrumental to keeping me alive in this world