<alva>
Haven't had this much fun with stupid computers in forever
<eligrey>
from my reading of rfc 5322 it seems like email address local parts that start or end with ~ are invalid
<eligrey>
but every single "rfc 5322" reference validator keeps telling me ~@eligrey.com is valid
<eligrey>
is everyone else incompetent or just me?
<eligrey>
i tried like 10 different validators that claimed to fully implement rfc 5322 and they all keep telling me its valid
<eligrey>
if it's everyone else, i'm kinda glad that these validators are broken (so i can use this email address in more places :P)
<eligrey>
way cooler than me@domain
* alva
attempted to use ?@alva.email, which is valid, but every dumb website breaks
<ljharb>
yup, validating email addresses is stupid
<ljharb>
if it has an "@" in it, sending it an email is the only way you can know if it's valid or not
<alva>
yeah. Validation should be a UX enhancement, nothing more. Like oops, you entered your name here, but that was the previous field, this one should have an @ in it
<eligrey>
ljharb: you've just redelegated validation to your mailing program though
<eligrey>
(well syntax validation, that is)
<eligrey>
so you're sorta still validating
<eligrey>
anyways as far as gmail's smtp servers are concerned it seems like ~@domain is valid and good :)
<eligrey>
i also made sure to re-do a dkim test just in case it caused some kind of signing problems and that seems to pass as well
<eligrey>
btw, is anyone here still using linode in 2016?
<eligrey>
curious
<ljharb>
eligrey: right but that's the actual thing you want to check
<ljharb>
meaning, any regex-based email validation is just a poor proxy for "can i send you an email"
<ljharb>
which is all that matters
<eligrey>
yeah
<eligrey>
one of the 12 email validators i tried said ~@domain was invalid, and it looked like some kind of commercial site that sells "email syntax validation as a service" (who the fuck pays for that????)
<alva>
.email alone breaks a lot of shoddy webs
<eligrey>
so it miiight be blocked on some obscure website run by some person dumb enough to pay for "email syntax validation as a service"
<eligrey>
like seriously they can't just google for free code in any of the languages available
<alva>
I guess someone copy-pasted a list of TLDd or w/e thinking there would never be more of them
<eligrey>
they only understand the programming language called money
<eligrey>
alva: yeah but for all of the services i use recently at least that doesnt seem to be a problem
<eligrey>
i tried out one of the new gtlds on a few sites
<alva>
eligrey: walmart gave me trouble about it
<alva>
I just wanted to order shit from my roommate's wishlist
<eligrey>
it's gotta be on amazon too
<eligrey>
i only use walmart's physical stores
<eligrey>
all of my online physical purchases are through amazon
<eligrey>
(except for soylent)
<eligrey>
amazon is missing out on that sweet sweet soylent $
<eligrey>
i spend like $300/mo on soylent
<eligrey>
(shared with a couple people though of course)
<ljharb>
again tho, doing any checking of any kind is what's dumb
<ljharb>
copying free code is only a tiny bit less dumb than paying a service
<ljharb>
it's the same with phone numbers
<ljharb>
if you want to validate it, you text it
<ljharb>
(or call it if it's a landline)
<alva>
Some big ticket thing didn't like it either. I have everything @alva.link/@alva.email but when they dislike the TLDs it doesn't help
<eligrey>
unfortunately i wont get to update my email to ~@domain on most websites, since i already do [domain i'm signing up on]@[my domain] for most sites
<eligrey>
so far the only 2 places to use it are publicly on my github account and on my contact page on my blog
<eligrey>
alva: no offense, but why use the .email tld?
<eligrey>
domains aren't only for email
<eligrey>
that's like buying alva.http for your website
<eligrey>
it just seems weird
<alva>
eligrey: it sounds noce
<alva>
nice
<alva>
<ljharb>
fun domains are fun
<ljharb>
i still don't know what to do with awkwardturtl.es
<eligrey>
i wouldn't think less of someone for using it but it does visually seem weird to me
<eligrey>
people actually use joe.shmoe97452@hotmail.com for business so there are much worse offenders
<alva>
My name seems fairly unusual among nerds so I'm just grabbing nice sounding alva.whatevers
<eligrey>
ljharb: tile the entire bg with that turtle picture
<alva>
Before it comes back in style
<eligrey>
alva: $/yr in domain costs?
<ljharb>
alva: when/where was it in style?
<eligrey>
that has to add up
<eligrey>
i only have 2 personal domains, and then 4 business related domains
<eligrey>
all .coms .nets and .orgs
<eligrey>
(my personal ones are eligrey.com and sephr.com which just redirects to eligrey.com)
<alva>
ljharb: Sweden mostly, way back
<eligrey>
oh and 1 .io
<alva>
But it means female elf and my fav grandma was named Alva so I took it
<eligrey>
alva: in what language? swedish?
<alva>
eligrey: yeah, and old norse, so Icelandic and Norwegian too
<ljharb>
nice
<eligrey>
what sounds more reputable to you guys: .io or .org?
<ljharb>
org
<ljharb>
but it depends
<alva>
org
<eligrey>
oftn.io vs oftn.org
<eligrey>
i was thinking of getting oftn.io for oftn inc and letting the oftn oswg get the whole org
<eligrey>
io is pricey for the first year but at least renewals are $41
<eligrey>
everyone should just be using singular they
<alva>
Finnish only has a neutral one, hän. Adopted into Swedish as hen, in addition to han/hon.
<alva>
English tho
<eligrey>
cool
<purr>
<alexgordon> why, we lispers spend half as much time writing code as normal programmers, leaving the other half of our time for writing smug essays!
<eligrey>
alva: did not expect that when i clicked services
<eligrey>
also you're going against your current email style
<eligrey>
shouldn't it be porn@alva.email?
<eligrey>
or porn-request
<alva>
eligrey: Hahaha. Someone asked to buy foot pics so I set that up.
<eligrey>
i'll give you $0.0 for a picture of you entirely covered in clothes
<eligrey>
no visible skin anywhere please
<eligrey>
*eyes included)
<eligrey>
(*
<alva>
I'm gonna be riiich
<eligrey>
also there's gotta be a .fetish tld
<eligrey>
if not that is how you actually become rich
<alva>
I wanted .xxx but it was expensive.
<eligrey>
become the NIC for .fetish and only allow yourself as the registrar
<alva>
I don't think I'll keep .porn
<eligrey>
how much is it?
<alva>
The pedicure cost more than what I got for the pics, won't get out of tech this way
<alva>
$320 for 4 years
<eligrey>
oh btw back to email validation: the guy who uses n@ai is probably really pissed at the W3C for making a dot required in the host part of domains for HTML's built-in <input type="email"> validation
<eligrey>
like seriously nobody realizes that you can have A and MX records on tlds
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
fujisan: which government? :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
eligrey: I have a Linode
<eligrey>
lololol
<purr>
Lol
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: change your password again for the 3rd time in the past 12 months
<eligrey>
also move to digitalocean already
<eligrey>
i stayed with linode even after the credit card hack
<eligrey>
but the most recent hack is what really made me jump ship
<eligrey>
they literally denied it until the guy who hacked them said so on hacker news
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
sephr: “they only understand the programming language called money” wat.
<purr>
beep.
<eligrey>
straight up 4 months before admitting and notifying anyone about the hack
<eligrey>
and they would have literally never talked about it if that guy didnt complain on hacker news about their shitty response
<eligrey>
(the most recent hack was all account credentials for every account)
<eligrey>
meaning a 4 month period where anyone could get fucked and linode doesnt give a single shit
<eligrey>
even though digitalocean's plans are technically a little inferior at least i don't have to get a new credit card every single year
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
1:33 AM <alva> The pedicure cost more than what I got for the pics, won't get out of tech this way
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: if you haven't switched to DO by next week i'm subconsciously going to think that you endorse coldfusion
<eligrey>
i can't control this
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
eligrey: I have a pimple in the worst place on my entire body
<eligrey>
switching to digitalocean is a more pressing matter
<eligrey>
save the pimpe for tomorrow
<eligrey>
pimple*
<eligrey>
also save the pimp for tomorrow but that is a given
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<purr>
<Nuck> I love the feeling of blood on my dick
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
o7 all
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
goddamnit purr
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I need to clean him up ;_;
<Navarr>
lol
<purr>
olol
<purr>
<alexgordon> ikr
<purr>
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: oh shit you're listening to because the internet?
<purr>
<alextgordon> damn can't fin the alphabet thing now
<incomprehensibly>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i music like i program? was that about the fourier xenakis snap?
<incomprehensibly>
ELLIOTTCABLE: snapchat just has very little context :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I didn't see much except something about acoustic waves
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and I was like ‘lmao he's reading a paper about music this is awesome’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Navarr: … how long have you been in here
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what @ Navarr
<purr>
<brr> elliotcable is *really intelligent*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
er
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-_-
<Navarr>
I dropped in yesterday
<Navarr>
and today
<Navarr>
says I've been here for about 8 hours now. Little less
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Navarr: I mean, pretty sure you've been lurking for years
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
anyway, purr's broken right now, but he's normally got a non-sequitur feature
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
he scrapes ‘wtf-y’ messages from chat by tracking responses of “what.” or “wat.” or “wut.” or similar (or you can directly report them to him)
<Navarr>
and he's just typing them out randomly now?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and then he can spit non-sequiturs out on demand with the -what command (or, theoretically, squirt them into conversation on his own)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yeah, he's spitting out like a dozen a day, which is waaaaaaaaay off
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what
<purr>
<ellio> sometimes I feel like micahjohnston when I talk about things
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what
<purr>
<prophile> is the Y combinator defined on boobs?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
-what
<purr>
<Nuck> Music is kinda like code. Except louder.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
also, a lot of them are ... hm, how do I put this
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
old?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
super fucking offensive and not-okay? :P
<Navarr>
probably
<Navarr>
that sounds about right
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so I need to go in, clean up the database of un-funny or inappropriate shit, and re-write the ‘random interjection’ code entirely
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and probably disable it entirely for like a year, because we're all fed the fuck up
<Navarr>
lol
<purr>
idklol
* ELLIOTTCABLE
pats purr
* purr
rrrrr
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Navarr: so, wait, you're only paying attention in here *for the first time ever* rn?
<incomprehensibly>
ELLIOTTCABLE: ah idk if that would've been about
<incomprehensibly>
acoustic gravity waves under the ocean
<incomprehensibly>
or about the xenakis book
<incomprehensibly>
lmao
<Navarr>
for the first time in years
<Navarr>
i haven't even lurked in here in years
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<rarik>
ec\: there?
<purr>
<nuck> alexgordon isn't complete without micah. His brain stops focusing and starts boobing
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
rurik: lol hi
<purr>
Lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
er, rarik*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Navarr: O_O
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I must not have noticed, wow
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I am SO illegally parked. Like, the most illegally I've ever parked.