08:51 <ELLIOTTCABLE> I really miss having somewhere to talk programming v.v

08:51 <ELLIOTTCABLE> heyday of hashhashhat, come back 2 me

08:51 <ELLIOTTCABLE> meanwhile bivariance isn't a thing, you're drunk TypeScript go home

14:02 <jfhbrook> ELLIOTTCABLE I'll talk programming whenever haha

14:02 <jfhbrook> lol bivariance

14:02 <jfhbrook> sounds like a college student trying to BS their way through an exam

14:03 <ELLIOTTCABLE> ugh i wouldn’t be so pissed, because there’s a flag to disable that behavior,

14:03 <ELLIOTTCABLE> IF SAID FLAG ACTUALLY DISABLED THAT BEHAVIOUR

14:04 <jfhbrook> bahahaha

14:04 <ELLIOTTCABLE> but no even if you literally explicitly put in the effort to pass the command-line flag saying “no. please, please no. please be _actually sound_, thx.”

14:04 <jfhbrook> counterpoint: javascript is already a circus, you really expected a "sound" type system? lol

14:05 <jfhbrook> that's a pretty silly bug

14:05 <ELLIOTTCABLE> they’re like ‘Oh! Sure! But still not for method-declarations, nobody could ever possibly mean they want this _even in method declarations_. Glad we’re on the same page.’

14:05 <jfhbrook> though I heard that flow had way worse ones

14:05 <jfhbrook> wait what

14:05 <ELLIOTTCABLE> we do have one

14:05 <ELLIOTTCABLE> it’s called ocaml

14:05 <ELLIOTTCABLE> i’m slowly perfecting the art of convincing javascripty non-type-nerds that ocaml is the best javascript type-system

14:06 <jfhbrook> I miss scala

14:06 <ELLIOTTCABLE> had lots of really productive “… i usually hard typists, but that actually just made a lot of sense, very pragmatic, wow” conversations at JSconf Chicago

14:06 <jfhbrook> oh I almost did a typescript project funny enough

14:06 <ELLIOTTCABLE> it was pleasurable

14:06 <jfhbrook> I was gonna write a SLACK BOT

14:07 <jfhbrook> ended up choosing twisted instead of node

14:07 <ELLIOTTCABLE> eh tbh im bitching but i’m happy typescript exists and i’m slowly learning it thoroughly as a tool

14:07 <ELLIOTTCABLE> just wish bucklescript or flow, not typescript, had won

14:07 <jfhbrook> this was for a hack week project - but it died immediately because squarespace kinda sucks at chat and their security team is pretty ballistic

14:07 <jfhbrook> I mean, if ocaml wanted to win maybe it shouldn't have had such fucked up syntax ;)

14:08 <jfhbrook> the fact that typescript and flow are supersets of javascript helps their case a lot

14:08 <ELLIOTTCABLE> that’s literally what reason is

14:08 <ELLIOTTCABLE> mind you idgi the reason value-prop

14:08 <ELLIOTTCABLE> but i just for whatever reason had no issue with ocaml syntax from day-1-hour-1

14:08 <ELLIOTTCABLE> maybe i’m weird

14:09 <ELLIOTTCABLE> actually no it’s definitely ‘cuz I came up in Ruby and Paws more than JavaScript

14:09 <ELLIOTTCABLE> if JS is your first and only language, i suppose it’s reasonable that ML syntax would be scary

14:09 <jfhbrook> my first language was python

14:24 <jfhbrook> well my /very/ first language was ti-83 basic but you know

14:25 <ELLIOTTCABLE> o man ditto

14:25 <ELLIOTTCABLE> oh my god you just took me back to a formative experience I’d forgotten

14:26 <ELLIOTTCABLE> i took my TI with me to a (non-schoolrelated) swimming practice, tried to show boys in the locker room my code

14:26 <ELLIOTTCABLE> it. didnotgowell

14:26 <jfhbrook> aw

14:26 <jfhbrook> my friends were sharing copies of puzzle pack