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fuzzyhorns: if the threads don't peak we could be leaking thread instances or something, but JRuby will pool threads as needed to handle whatever you're doing
<headius>
and things like Enumerator#next often have to run in a thread
<headius>
there's also a number of JVM threads always present
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[jruby] dzjuck opened issue #2902: Enumerable#find_index gives wrong result in case with types cast http://git.io/vJZnO
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jruby/master 9fd15c6 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Include MRI tests on Travis again.
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jruby/master f306391 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Exclude Signal#list specs as they seem to hang sometimes.
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<jlbhshluekg>
.
<jlbhshluekg>
did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
<jlbhshluekg>
did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars?
<jlbhshluekg>
plz, send my qs to help limiting usa & israel aggression against others& may then lessen number of people killed in the middle east.
<jlbhshluekg>
.did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars?
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jruby/truffle-head adc95e0 Chris Seaton: Merge branch 'master' into truffle-head
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<comodo_dragon>
FUCK RUBY
<comodo_dragon>
FUCK RUBY
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<headius>
seems this channel is becoming a hotbed of political commentary
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<chrisseaton>
headius: nirvdrum has a couple of hilarious anti-JRuby tweets
<chrisseaton>
headius: they funniest thing is they seem so sincere
<asarih>
headius: does JVM have to be able to allocate all of MaxHeapSize when it starts?
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[jruby] chrisseaton pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vJn3Y
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jruby/master 4486d07 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Start to remove notDesignedForCompilation
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<nirvdrum>
I think I missed some context here :-)
<chrisseaton>
nirvdrum: the spammers above
<headius>
asarih: I believe it reserves it but does not allocate it?
<headius>
or something along those lines
<headius>
it might need that amount of memory to be available when starting as a result, yes
<nirvdrum>
I keep forgetting there's a channel log.
<asarih>
ok.
<headius>
nirvdrum: I use a bouncer so it replays anything I missed
<headius>
we had some middle-eastern political comentary overnight
<headius>
+m
<asarih>
I'm afraid to scroll back up. :-P
<nirvdrum>
I figure I would end compulsively scrolling IRC logs the first thing every morning. So I just pretend anything said when I'm not around wasn't important.
<chrisseaton>
asarih: it's more complicated than that - even if the JVM did 'allocate' it, the OS may not until the JVM starts to use it
<asarih>
chrisseaton: :-(
<chrisseaton>
asarih: why do you need to know? are you trying to ensure system resources are reserved for the JVM?
<asarih>
chrisseaton: we (that's Travis CI) are getting reports of failed builds due to
<asarih>
"Could not reserve enough space for object heap"
<asarih>
I don't know where 2G is coming from yet.
<chrisseaton>
asarih: it looks like the JVM does use some flags to try to get the OS to commit to allocating the memory
<chrisseaton>
asarih: but that surprises me so not sure about it
<asarih>
but that's not default, is it?
<chrisseaton>
asarih: I'm looking at the code, and there is some flag that says if the heap needs to be reserved, then get the OS to do that - but I have no idea where this flag comes from
<chrisseaton>
it depends on your system - it's 8GB or half physical memory or whatevever is smaller - or something like that
<headius>
in 8
<headius>
6 and 7 have less enlightened default heap policies
<asarih>
chrisseaton: headius: it's a Docker container running inside an EC2 instance.
<asarih>
oh.
<headius>
at least 6 still defaulted to 64MB on most systems
<headius>
they might have changed that during 7
<asarih>
hmmm. I see 7.9 GB on a Java 6 job.
<asarih>
I'm so confused. :-/
<headius>
ah-ha, looks like it may have changed in 6u18?
<headius>
or started to change then
<headius>
The default maximum heap size is half of the physical memory up to a physical memory size of 192 megabytes and otherwise one fourth of the physical memory up to a physical memory size of 1 gigabyte.
<nirvdrum>
olleolleolle: I'm not sure what you're asking about, but Truffle won't help with Windows paths. Truffle currently doesn't run on Windows at all.
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<olleolleolle>
Thanks for clearing that up!
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<nirvdrum>
JRuby generally does support Windows paths though. So if you see a bug, please file it.
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jruby/master 8535529 Leonardo Bianconi: Enabling tty fir powerpc64...
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jruby/master 5cb7e69 Thomas E Enebo: Merge pull request #2871 from lbianc/ppc64_tty...
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[jruby] enebo closed pull request #2861: Add JAVA_HOME env line for mac os x building prerequisites (master...java_home_env_in_building) http://git.io/vfYy0
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jruby/master b6750d2 Teemu: Make Dir raise Errno::EACCES...
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jruby/master c6c9dce Thomas E Enebo: Merge pull request #2772 from lumeet/errno_eacces_dir...
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[jruby] enebo pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/vJC3R
<enebo>
cpuguy83: I have noticed this before as well . Could you open an issue and if you have a tiny snippet which shows this it would be double plus good
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jruby/master a7fc49d Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Allow core to fail while it is flaky.
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<chrisseaton>
I swear this Truffle failure is Travis's fault - we run the same tests on multiple macs and Linux machines and never see this, but I'll move to allow-fail for now
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[jruby] MSNexploder closed pull request #2603: Add support for named captures in StringScanner (fixes #1067) (master...strscan_captures) http://git.io/N5BX
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<SuperTaz>
enebo: didn't realize you were brewing these days :) now that I have to avoid gluten, it's made beer something I can't have as often :( I'm still trying to work out where to source the appropriate gluten-free grains in SF
<SuperTaz>
my goal is to brew gluten-free beers that are worth drinking...all of my brewing gear is currently collecting dust :(
<enebo>
SuperTaz: yeah there are more gluten-free beers coming out so no doubt homebrew will keep expanding that area
<enebo>
SuperTaz: I did not think Omission is horrible
<enebo>
SuperTaz: I would not go with world class but I can drink it without problems
<lopex>
SuperTaz: enebo is steering those beer empires from underneath, dont trust him
<enebo>
SuperTaz: I guess I gave them 3/5 on untappd so not fantastic
<SuperTaz>
yeah, it's okay
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<enebo>
SuperTaz: They are owned buy big player aren’t they?
<SuperTaz>
but I suspect I can do better with time ;)
<SuperTaz>
I'm not sure who owns them...sec...I have some a few feet away
<lopex>
how much gluten is there in standard beer ?
<SuperTaz>
well, it depends on the grains used
<SuperTaz>
but it's a good bit, generally
<enebo>
SuperTaz: so I am guessing you are not cool with wheat or barley
<lopex>
can you get rid of it in any way ?
<SuperTaz>
not really
<SuperTaz>
enebo: not anymore :(
<enebo>
SuperTaz: how about other adjuncts?
<enebo>
SuperTaz: what is your palette? :)
<enebo>
SuperTaz: I also was following this doc who got carb intolerance and was able to get rid of after being on Atkin’s for like 3 years
<SuperTaz>
enebo: I like a wide variety...you, headius, and I managed to drink our way through Chicago a few years back, if you remember
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<SuperTaz>
I lean away from overly bittered beers, though
<enebo>
SuperTaz: but I don’t know how carb interolance related to gluten issues
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<SuperTaz>
it's not the carbs, gluten is a protein
<enebo>
SuperTaz: oh yeah…ended with a late night burrito
<SuperTaz>
well, a family of htem
<SuperTaz>
yup, that would be the night ;)
<enebo>
SuperTaz: yeah I am just wondering about cause/effect
<SuperTaz>
we didn't drink much here in SF last time
<SuperTaz>
need a sec...phone
<enebo>
SuperTaz: A number of studies pointing towards gluten being an issue for people ended up being related to carbs in the same food
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<lopex>
SuperTaz: but being a protein it can be dissolved by enzymes
<lopex>
though those enzymes would have to be alc resitant etc
<lopex>
in most cases you just cut the proteint in any place and they dont have any properties
<SuperTaz>
right
<SuperTaz>
and I know that's how they make a bastardized, processed extract
<lopex>
in e cell they wount enter proteasome where they would be repaired just not to waste the energeyin rybosome again
<SuperTaz>
but I don't know which enzymes they are, and I'm assuming if they were alcohol tolerant, they'd be used to de-gluten beer
<lopex>
yeah, all enzymes we know are from cells which have specific chemistry
<lopex>
you'd have to design one
<SuperTaz>
enebo: I got diagnosed with MS, so it's actually specifically the proteins that cause inflammatory effects
<enebo>
SuperTaz: yuck
<SuperTaz>
lol...yeah, that's an understatement
<SuperTaz>
haven't been able to work in 2.5 years
<enebo>
SuperTaz: Just asking because there is this huge food trend now to blame everything on glutens (not medically as much as economically in stores)
<SuperTaz>
and that call was to tell me I have a further neck problem that may require neurosurgery...yay?
<enebo>
SuperTaz: wow that sucks
<SuperTaz>
yeah, not fun
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<SuperTaz>
and yeah, I was kind of skeptical about the whole gluten thing before the MS diagnosis and reading studies, etc.
<lopex>
SuperTaz: bleeding edge ?
<SuperTaz>
I have a whole bunch of beer in the house that just sits, too
<enebo>
SuperTaz: yeah. I have known a few people with some gluten intolerence and they largely were like that their whole life
<enebo>
SuperTaz: but there are so many onset conditions these days so who the fuck knows what is happening to our food chain/environment
<SuperTaz>
lopex: not really...there have been studies for years, but there is slowly more and more evidence of gluten causing inflammatory issues, and it causing MS flares
<SuperTaz>
enebo: yeah, and we've only been eating grains as a major part of our diet for 20k years...not long enough for most of the population to develop genes for enzymes to break down the gluten
<lopex>
SuperTaz: any sign of therapies or something ?
<SuperTaz>
lopex: sure, huge advancement with MS
<SuperTaz>
lopex: gluten is just basically something that can trigger symptoms...the disease itself is heavily researched, and they're talking about potential cures within 10 years, perhaps
<SuperTaz>
lots of interesting stuff with stem cell treatments, among other things
<SuperTaz>
lots of neuro-protective agents instead of immunosuppressants, too
<SuperTaz>
I'm about to start a different immunosuppressant, in the hopes it'll help control the disease
<SuperTaz>
last one I was allergic to
<SuperTaz>
this one will require me to go to the hospital monthly for IV infusions...extra fun, eh?
<lopex>
genetics is hard, epigenetics is even harder
<SuperTaz>
still, if it stops the progression of the disease, I'm all for it
<SuperTaz>
yeah, it is
<lopex>
and we still have no idea about out own genome
<SuperTaz>
and I probably have a genetic pre-disposition to MS, since 2 generations back someone had it, which means that there's an epigenetic trigger that caused me to win the lottery
<lopex>
in pleiotropia terms mostly
<enebo>
I remember as a kid reading the 100 yearsago sections of national geographic and thinking how primitive we were but it is amazing how primitive we still age in spite of all the discoveries we make
<lopex>
via recessive gene ?
<SuperTaz>
pleiotropua?
<lopex>
enebo: now we struggle with both protein folding and how one geen affects the others
<enebo>
SuperTaz: if humans are still alive by then
<lopex>
SuperTaz: forgive me I'm polish :)
<SuperTaz>
lopex: no, gene mutation, that is likely combined with exposure to something that starts the auto-immune response
<SuperTaz>
ahhh, yes
<lopex>
SuperTaz: yeah, but any mutation might (after being expressed) affect expressivity of other genes
<SuperTaz>
but no, MS is't Pleiotropic
<lopex>
not to mention other chemistries
<SuperTaz>
though there have been a LOT of potential mutations identified as possible contributors
<lopex>
that's complexity squared
<SuperTaz>
MS only affects a single system...it's an auto-immune response that attacks the mylin sheaths on axons
<lopex>
I admire ppl who deal with all that
<lopex>
oh so it relates to expression ?
<SuperTaz>
yeah, it's interesting stuff, and there's a lot we don't know, but it's good that people are figuring it out...it wasn't that long ago that we hadn't even sequenced our own genome...we had no idea that epigenetic expression of traits was a real thing
<SuperTaz>
we had some clues from the handful of organisms whose genomes we had sequenced, but that's still recent
<lopex>
well we share a good deal of gene with corns
<lopex>
30% even ?
<SuperTaz>
we share a good deal of genes with everything on this planet
<lopex>
right
<SuperTaz>
you'd be hard pressed to find something that wasn't in double digit percentages
<SuperTaz>
but we're also far more complex
<lopex>
just after the cambrian explosion that revealed those branches that survived
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<lopex>
maybe those that failed might have less :)
<SuperTaz>
we have a lot more base pairs than most other organisms on this planet
<lopex>
yeah most
<SuperTaz>
and there's a lot of even that that's just gibberish, as far as we currently understand
<lopex>
afaik corn again has more
<lopex>
but duplication doesnt increase complexity
<lopex>
and homo family had many genes turned off and it turned out beneficial
<SuperTaz>
yes
<SuperTaz>
but not just us
<SuperTaz>
pretty much everything alive has a bunch of inactive DNA
<SuperTaz>
well, inactive sequences
<lopex>
yeah
<SuperTaz>
they still replicate, but they don't express traits
<lopex>
SuperTaz: in genetic algorith theory it's a building block hypothesis
<lopex>
SuperTaz: you just learn traits tht dont depend on each other
<SuperTaz>
howso?
<lopex>
and separate them by long strings
<SuperTaz>
ahhh
<lopex>
SuperTaz: first: genetic canalization
<lopex>
SuperTaz: then recombination is less likely to cut on those building blocks
<lopex>
like building a liver for example :)
<lopex>
sex and parasites are other arguments
<SuperTaz>
yeah, sure, I could see that
<lopex>
that why I'm always wondering why they ask why there are introns for
<lopex>
SuperTaz: there's a messy genetic algorithm thingy that does exactly that
<lopex>
it maintains pairs and a number inbetween just how long apart they are
<lopex>
just to learn the relationships
<lopex>
once the simulation is fired
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<lopex>
ideally you'd have a matrix with cartesian relations
<lopex>
but dna cant do that so simply :)
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<SuperTaz>
sorry...sec...phone with the wife
<lopex>
SuperTaz: do you happen to know aronra youtube channel ?
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<SuperTaz>
no, haven't heard of it
<lopex>
SuperTaz: it's a guy why stufied paleontology being like 30-40 in age
<lopex>
SuperTaz: no he is very skilled on science and fighting creationism
<lopex>
SuperTaz: his videos are very well prepared and tackle multiple subjects
<lopex>
SuperTaz: he's expecially good with cladistics and tree of life
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<lopex>
he also actively influences peer reviewed papers both on history and biology :)
<SuperTaz>
sorry...back
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<SuperTaz>
wife was asking a lot of stuff about my neck and was trying to get me to go to something tonight where I'll be uncomfortable for hours and won't be able to eat dinner until 10pm or later...I told her to tell me about it when she gets home ;)
<SuperTaz>
I'll check out the video
<lopex>
SuperTaz: just as a sample of the channel
<SuperTaz>
need to reboot this box, apparently...it has forgotten how to play audio over HDMI
<SuperTaz>
weird things have been happening with this box...last week it lost bluetooth, this week audio
<SuperTaz>
worked fine yesterday
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<SuperTaz>
brb
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<SuperTaz>
lopex: pretty well-done stuff :)
<lopex>
SuperTaz: I guess it's to infect with science for youg people
<lopex>
SuperTaz: that guy is from Texas you know
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jruby/master abf0176 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Store the hash value in hash entries when in buckets.
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jruby/master 888e48d Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Tidy up the structure of the hash nodes a bit.
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jruby/master a9e1b0b Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Tidy up hash node guards.
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<SuperTaz>
lopex: yeah, I figured that out in the video...but not all people from Texas are backwater creationists...there are plenty of intelligent, free-thinking people with informed opinions there, too
<lopex>
SuperTaz: sure
<SuperTaz>
interestingly enough, YouTube followed that video with one by Richard Carrier
<SuperTaz>
so you go from "this is a summary of a bunch of science that shows pretty clearly how the origins of life are just basic chemistry" to "Jesus wasn't real"
<lopex>
SuperTaz: Austin and Dallas are among the ones that have most stable oppositions
<lopex>
SuperTaz: right
<SuperTaz>
if YouTube does that consistently, you can imagine there will soon be a movement in this country to crucify YouTube
<SuperTaz>
Don't know how they're going to get the buildings up on a stick, though...
<SuperTaz>
Austin is surprisingly liberal, for being in Texas, Dallas is more conservative, but it is still pretty moderate
<lopex>
SuperTaz: yeah I heard tht wrt Austin
<SuperTaz>
Austin is liberal enough that you very regularly see SF Bay Area companies adding Austin offices, because it's less expensive there, and the engineers and scientists they can employ there still fit well enough into the more liberal culture largely present in California-based companies
<lopex>
well science pays ?
<lopex>
I mean the results
<SuperTaz>
I've experienced it myself, having run teams in both SF and Austin, at the same time. There's still a Texan twist, but it works well...it's also where SXSW is, which has a very liberal tilt to it
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<lopex>
SuperTaz: cool I can hear any info from first hand
<SuperTaz>
yeah, I suppose...the interesting thing is that it's also the capital of the state...for such an overwhelmingly conservative state, the capital is very liberal overall
<SuperTaz>
generally, you find that state capitals in the US tend to be a bit more conservative than their large metropolitan areas (when they have them), but Austin is one of the exceptions to the rule
<lopex>
SuperTaz: but is there any hesitation wrt choosing the market on the south ?
<SuperTaz>
howso?
<lopex>
SuperTaz: like due to forementioned conservativity
<SuperTaz>
well, urban areas are generally more liberal than rural areas, and research and engineering type business typically operate in urban areas, due to the availability of talent
<SuperTaz>
so it's less of an issue than you'd think
<lopex>
ok
<SuperTaz>
and the south really has a perception of being backwards due to a few bad apples. I've lived in the south and I've found that most of the ideas of what the south is like are wrong, especially in urban areas
<SuperTaz>
the perception is largely kept alive due to the presence of a handful of ignorant people in insular rural communities
<lopex>
so they're conscious of that ?
<lopex>
here in poland (which is not big country -- well a moderate one in global terms) the biggst problems is the founds
<lopex>
but we have a huge leak of intelligence to th west
<lopex>
poland is pretty religious country too, but it doesnt cound on those contitions
<lopex>
*count
<SuperTaz>
in the urban areas? sure...you see a lot more tolerance in the urban areas, and educated people in southern urban areas generally seem to gravitate away from those whose world-view is limited
<SuperTaz>
again, generalizations
<SuperTaz>
founds?
<lopex>
yeah, the univesities teach well, but either, cannot bleeding edge equipment
<lopex>
or cannot ressure a job anywhere here
<SuperTaz>
I find that even religious people in urban areas of the US are generally disinclined to be creationist, though some have surprised me
<SuperTaz>
ahhh
<lopex>
the market is too weak
<lopex>
so they emigrate to UK and the like
<SuperTaz>
makes sense
<SuperTaz>
it's often referred to as "brain drain" in the US
<lopex>
yes
<SuperTaz>
it's happening all over the world
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<SuperTaz>
I think it'll continue until there's better technological parity across the world
<SuperTaz>
I think that'll also all but eliminate war, as well
<lopex>
the whole thing is too sad
<SuperTaz>
because technical parity brings education and employment into the home easily
<lopex>
the economies sufer
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<lopex>
SuperTaz: sure, if you can reliably verify that education
<lopex>
homeschooling is not go
<SuperTaz>
I'm talking about college-level
<lopex>
SuperTaz: oh I guess I missunderstood you last sentence