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<enyc> DocScrutinizer05: the kicad-ppa seems to do that, and now has version 4.1.0-alpha+201607250105+6992~46~ubuntu16.04.1
<DocScrutinizer05> :-)
<enyc> DocScrutinizer05: the creator of that PPA may well have some useful script you can use to get a source package yourself if asked....
<enyc> DocScrutinizer05: or do the whole manual getting of source and complini g for /usr/local not-as-deb-package yourself, or something
<DocScrutinizer05> yep, the latter I was pondering
<enyc> DocScrutinizer05: since you know your devuan vm//chroot has the right build-environment it should work ...
<DocScrutinizer05> :nod: exactly my thought
<DocScrutinizer05> and in chroot possibly even faster than VM with its single core I assigned
<enyc> error
<enyc> oops wrong window
<enyc> DocScrutinizer05: pleased to hear kicad upstream being helpful
<DocScrutinizer05> hmm? wrong window?
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah, a guy nick c4757p was hacking right away when I reported a few bugs I found in kicad
<enyc> DocScrutinizer05: unless you need lots of changes you may well do well to just ask the PPA author to update/rebuild as needbe, but i suspect that PPA is actually building *daily* anyway =)
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I don't get that
<enyc> r.e. kicad
<DocScrutinizer05> yes, PPA does nightly builds aiui
<enyc> unless you need lots of builds / lots of very regular changes, you probably don't need manual ,compile, the PPA will soonupdate/rebuild kicad source-pkg anyway
<enyc> and then you get the source and compile on devuan
<enyc> (source-*package* i.e. deb-src) that is
<DocScrutinizer05> yes, that's what I thought
<enyc> NB: *keep* the previously created sets of *.deb packages carefully *
<DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what's the repo needed (instead of the ubuntu ppa) for that
<DocScrutinizer05> thanks, excellent advice
<enyc> you should be able to use the ubutnu-ppa *whichdoes daily builds) as before, no need 'separate' repo
<DocScrutinizer05> great!
<enyc> you did all this before... apt-get source kicad ... dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b ... etc
<DocScrutinizer05> "etc" isn't much after that anymore, right?
<enyc> i believe not... you dpkg -i 'ed the package files
<DocScrutinizer05> yep
<enyc> there was more 'fiddling' AT FIRST to get all the right dependencies
<enyc> but that snhould be all 'done' now and not need re-deing
<DocScrutinizer05> we got those now
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<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: maybe you (the great scripter ;-D) like my approach for editing the sheet texts on index page: jr@saturn:~> sleep 3;xdotool key --delay 50 e alt+z Tab ctrl+c Escape ctrl+Right ctrl+Right ctrl+Right e shift+ctrl+BackSpace ctrl+v alt+o ctrl+Left ctrl+Left ctrl+Left ctrl+Up Down Down
<wpwrak> gack ;)
<DocScrutinizer05> hahahaha
<DocScrutinizer05> needs positioning cursor in center of sheet box
<DocScrutinizer05> and sheet Pos1-sizefitted
<wpwrak> *hmm* git clone http://neo900.org/git/ee.git -> ends at july 20
<DocScrutinizer05> it's actually safe to rerun
<DocScrutinizer05> hm?!
<wpwrak> (hm) if someone without ssh access tries to clone our repo, it's incomplete
<wpwrak> lemme see if this is reproducible
<wpwrak> yup :(
<wpwrak> tried to restart git-daemon, but that doesn't work. strangely, it seems to have no effect at all. systemctl status git-daemon.service
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<DocScrutinizer05> that's ... not nice
<DocScrutinizer05> is this another defect only found in ee, or in all our repos?
<DocScrutinizer05> OOOH! maybe try git clone httpS://neo900.org/git/ee.git ??
<DocScrutinizer05> those friggin http servers
<DocScrutinizer05> with their cache
<DocScrutinizer05> btw I don't know if *I* use ssh git access
<DocScrutinizer05> well, probably I do since I can push
<wpwrak> kewl, https did the trick. thanks ! is this some newbie vs. neo900 thing again ? maybe both are running git-daemon, with different repos
<wpwrak> (ssh) yup
<DocScrutinizer05> if git https:// works, then maybe we want a rewrite rule that redirects http://neo900.org/git to 303?
<DocScrutinizer05> no, git-daemon is only a php(?) script runing under regular http server daemon
<wpwrak> maybe :) i suspect we already have a bunch of tricky rewrites, which are part of the problem.
<DocScrutinizer05> this varnish(?) is the problem
<DocScrutinizer05> I never liked it
<DocScrutinizer05> caching http content, what a crap
<ceene> both http and https clone up to d6ad7e9e46ece4ec0da8cbd9e2dbd7e80802c673 / Wed Jul 20 16:58:24 2016 +0200
<DocScrutinizer05> hmm. wpwrak seems to have different result
<ceene> maybe he could try with a dummy new user
<ceene> so no ssh keys are stored and all that
<wpwrak> with https i got to d6ad7e9e46ece4ec0da8cbd9e2dbd7e80802c673
<wpwrak> get's try it again ...
<ceene> yep, that's the same i get
<ceene> july 20
<ceene> same as without https
<wpwrak> err, to f3abf8f622108cc37bcd399c6763532f0dd4af42
<ceene> nope, that i can't see
<DocScrutinizer05> git is sooo lovely
<wpwrak> from your point of view, it's in the future :)
<DocScrutinizer05> who could *not* memorize f3abf8f622108cc37bcd399c6763532f0dd4af42 ? ;-P
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: i rather suspect our web server setup
<wpwrak> you can abbreviate it :)
<wpwrak> and you could name it, if you really don't like numbers
<wpwrak> but then, who wants to name every commit ?
<DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: (web server setup) that's what I just said
<wpwrak> oh wait ...
<edwin> you can create a few annotated tags
<wpwrak> f3abf8f622108cc37bcd399c6763532f0dd4af42 was the wrong repo :)
<edwin> and then you get 1.0-12-gfoo
<edwin> in git describe
<wpwrak> ceene: yes, d6ad7e9e46ece4ec0da8cbd9e2dbd7e80802c673 confirmed
<wpwrak> so http and https do the same
<ceene> so problem lies on wpwrak brain
<edwin> where foo is the git abbreviated git hash, 12 is the number of commits since a hypothetical 1.0 tag
<wpwrak> which points to git-daemon as the source of the problem ...
<ceene> that too, yes :P
<DocScrutinizer05> again, is this ee specific?
<wpwrak> let's try some other repo ...
<wpwrak> "misc" ... let's see if the clone makes it
<wpwrak> let's see if killing git-daemon makes it restartable ...
<DocScrutinizer05> restart the webserver
<DocScrutinizer05> as mentioned above, I suspect that git-daemon actually is just a php script run by webserver
<wpwrak> i'd be surprised if the web server cached all this. but maybe git-daemon does weird things. let's see ...
<wpwrak> nope. restart didn't help.
<wpwrak> hmm. everything works whether git-daemon is running or not. peculiar. also killed it on newbie, same result
<DocScrutinizer05> s/varnish/nginx/
<DocScrutinizer05> why newbie?
<DocScrutinizer05> honestly now
<DocScrutinizer05> I wish the repos were on newbie, alas they are not
<wpwrak> in case there's some redirect. i vaguely recall that we some weird splits in the web server structure
<wpwrak> but i'm just fishing
<DocScrutinizer05> not to newbie
<DocScrutinizer05> static.neo900.org pointed to dos1's servers at times
<wpwrak> gnargh
<wpwrak> newbie has ~git, but without "ee"
<DocScrutinizer05> yesa!!!!
<DocScrutinizer05> please forget newbie
<wpwrak> and the ~git/ee on neo900 is up to date (of course)
<DocScrutinizer05> for all that matters, it doesn't exist
<wpwrak> yeah, newbie was a dead end. just checked. sometimes the dead ends are much more alive than you're comfortable with :)
<DocScrutinizer05> I wish it were
<wpwrak> hehe :)
<wpwrak> now, let's try misc ...
<DocScrutinizer05> I gonna give rust a reboot
<wpwrak> whack. there goes the misc clone
<DocScrutinizer05> hardly, it's still rebootinf
<wpwrak> "gone" = died :)
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry I tried now + 1min
<DocScrutinizer05> didn't pan out
<wpwrak> a clone over http takes much longer anyway
<DocScrutinizer05> ooh
<bencoh> yeah, always prefer git://
<DocScrutinizer05> you're cloning the repo? why?
<wpwrak> now, let's see how long it takes to sort out the systemd junk when booting ...
<DocScrutinizer05> usually not that long
<wpwrak> yay, it's up again !
<DocScrutinizer05> retest before cloning repos etc please!
<wpwrak> retest what ?
<wpwrak> "ee" still at Jul 20
<DocScrutinizer05> the ee repo
<DocScrutinizer05> ok, so any restarts won't help
<wpwrak> ah, interesting. now cloning from http doesn't work, only https. interesting
<wpwrak> fatal: unable to access 'http://neo900.org/git/misc.git/': Failed to connect to neo900.org port 80: Connection refused
<DocScrutinizer05> what happened Wed Jul 20 before 16:58:24 2016?
<wpwrak> browding neo900.org works, though
<DocScrutinizer05> hmm no
<wpwrak> (Jul 20) you did a merge, but that seems pretty normal
<DocScrutinizer05> the age old friggin mess with dkim? not coming up
<wpwrak> ... misc clone still running ...
<wpwrak> ah, now http://neo900.org/ fails, too. must have been from some cache when i tried the first time
<wpwrak> at least it's consistent ;-)
<wpwrak> https://neo900.org/ is fine
<DocScrutinizer05> yes
<DocScrutinizer05> this is because we have two different webservers
<wpwrak> why, actually ?
<DocScrutinizer05> apache for https and nginx for http
<DocScrutinizer05> because... err, nginx doesn't forg for prestashop
<DocScrutinizer05> work
<DocScrutinizer05> neo900:~ # systemctl restart nginx.service
<DocScrutinizer05> Job for nginx.service failed. See "systemctl status nginx.service" and "journalctl -xn" for details.
<wpwrak> (prestashop) sweet :)
<DocScrutinizer05> Jul 26 09:47:51 neo900 nginx[2868]: nginx: [emerg] SSL_CTX_use_PrivateKey_file("/etc/apache2/ssl.key/server.key") failed (SSL: error:0B080074:x509 certificate routines:X509_c...ues mismatch)
<DocScrutinizer05> lestencrypt >:-(
<DocScrutinizer05> wild guess
<DocScrutinizer05> I'm lost
<wpwrak> misc clone done. 9m33.317s real time
<DocScrutinizer05> dos1: au secours!!!
<wpwrak> and misc ends today, as it should. so it's an "ee" thing. hmm.
<wpwrak> git fsck is happy, as it should
<DocScrutinizer05> 2016-07-25T10:30:04.374323+02:00 localhost logrotate: error: error running non-shared postrotate script for /var/log/apache2/ssl_request_log of '/var/log/apache2/ssl_request_log
<DocScrutinizer05> 2016-07-25T10:30:04.371706+02:00 localhost logrotate: ALERT exited abnormally with [1]
<DocScrutinizer05> 2016-07-25T10:30:04.373178+02:00 localhost logrotate: logrotate_script: line 1: /etc/init.d/apache2: No such file or directory
<DocScrutinizer05> systemd >:-(
<wpwrak> actually ... git-daemon provides git: but we enable it only on 127.0.0.1
<wpwrak> so http/https comes from somewhere else. hmm.
<DocScrutinizer05> neo900:~ # ll /etc/apache2/ssl.key/server.key
<DocScrutinizer05> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Jul 23 03:20 /etc/apache2/ssl.key/server.key -> /etc/letsencrypt/live/www.neo900.org/privkey.pem
<DocScrutinizer05> I told you git-daemon uses webserver
<wpwrak> not so sure if git-daemon and web server have anything to do with each other. seems that gitweb is doing all that
<wpwrak> i can't even find its config file :-(
<wpwrak> ah, /etc/apache2/conf.d/ of course, where else
<wpwrak> but no, that's for apache
<DocScrutinizer05> how would gitweb coexist with nginx, both listening to port 80?
<DocScrutinizer05> or with apache, port 443 for that topic
<DocScrutinizer05> netstat for the clear view
<wpwrak> how does one restart apache ? the only thing that looks useful in /etc/init.d is /etc/init.d/php-fpm, but does doesn't seem to do much
<DocScrutinizer05> I already did
<wpwrak> e.g., i tried to /etc/init.d/php-fpm stop and it didn't stop the web server
<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-07-26 Tue 09:59:25] <DocScrutinizer05> 2016-07-25T10:30:04.373178+02:00 localhost logrotate: logrotate_script: line 1: /etc/init.d/apache2: No such file or directory
<wpwrak> lovely mess :)
<DocScrutinizer05> systemctl restart apache2.service
<DocScrutinizer05> I already did
<wpwrak> gitweb would run under/in apache
<DocScrutinizer05> that#s what I said
<wpwrak> systemctl restart apache2.service fails
<wpwrak> (i'm trying to restart it to see if hiding the gitweb config makes gitweb and http/https access to the repo unavailable. i.e., i'm still searching for what provides this service)
<DocScrutinizer05> I'm out
<wpwrak> (paste) still unreachable :(
<DocScrutinizer05> WHAT is unreaxchable?
<wpwrak> neo900.org. httpd2 aka apache isn't running
<DocScrutinizer05> now even apache is down
<DocScrutinizer05> it did run after I restarted it
<DocScrutinizer05> I didn't change *anything* on the server
<wpwrak> i tried to restart it like you said, and it only went down
<DocScrutinizer05> so ask hellekin and your history
<wpwrak> ah, "start" worked
<DocScrutinizer05> it prolly won't pan out when THREE admins are poking around and changing stuff concurrently
<wpwrak> hehe :) fatal: unable to access 'https://neo900.org/git/misc.git/': server certificate verification failed. CAfile: /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt CRLfile: none
<DocScrutinizer05> without even communicating to each other
<DocScrutinizer05> fuck LetsEncrypt!
<wpwrak> hellekin is probably fixing it
<hellekin> it's working now
<DocScrutinizer05> I ORDERED a proper cert, but no!!
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: LE isn't really the problem. proper cert is nice to have, though
<hellekin> it's quite difficult to assess a problem in the middle of a firestorm. Can someone say in one line where the problem lies?
<wpwrak> hellekin: the problem we're trying to solve is that git clone http://neo900.org/git/ee.git (or https) produces a repo that ends on Jul 20 (it should go all the way to Jul 26)
<DocScrutinizer05> first git http(s) did end at 20.7., then restart of server failed for nginx
<DocScrutinizer05> (http)
<wpwrak> hellekin: in the process of figuring out what actually provides the service, we restarted neo900.org, which caused nginx (providing http:) to not come up
<DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org still down
<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-07-26 Tue 09:48:58] <DocScrutinizer05> Jul 26 09:47:51 neo900 nginx[2868]: nginx: [emerg] SSL_CTX_use_PrivateKey_file("/etc/apache2/ssl.key/server.key") failed
<wpwrak> hellekin: i also temporarily disabled gitweb, to confirm that it is really the entity that provides https://neo900.org/git/ for browsing and for git clone
<DocScrutinizer05> [2016-07-26 Tue 10:00:39] <DocScrutinizer05> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Jul 23 03:20 /etc/apache2/ssl.key/server.key -> /etc/letsencrypt/live/www.neo900.org/privkey.pem
<wpwrak> hellekin: but i'll bring gitweb back now
<wpwrak> hellekin: need to restart apache2 for it. ok to systemctl restart apache2.service ?
<hellekin> wait, why is there both apache and nginx in the first place?
<hellekin> oh yeah, different ports?
<hellekin> what a mess
<DocScrutinizer05> nginx fails for pretashop
<hellekin> DocScrutinizer05: server.key/server.pem... looks good to me
<DocScrutinizer05> I can't help it, just quoting syslog
<hellekin> /etc/nginx/includes/ssl.conf tells that the certificates used are not LE's
<hellekin> but a cert marked as "wildcard"
<wpwrak> hellekin: can i systemctl restart apache2.service ?
<hellekin> duh.
<hellekin> it's a *copy* of an LE cert
<hellekin> of course it won't update by itself.
<hellekin> wpwrak: why would you?
<hellekin> the apache config is correct
<wpwrak> because i disabled gitweb and would like to re-enable it
<hellekin> wpwrak: that's a good reason :P
<wpwrak> retsarted, gitweb is up again
<hellekin> ok the fix is easy
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah, get a proper cert
<hellekin> no: point to the proper cert
<DocScrutinizer05> still such cert will change every 2 weeks or somesuch, which isn't what we want
<DocScrutinizer05> and this issue today already costs more than a proper 2 year cert
<hellekin> hmmm how do you restart nginx on a GNU/Linux that does not support /etc/init.d scripts?
<wpwrak> now ... why oh why does git clone https://neo900.org/git/ee.git end in Jul 20, commit d6ad7e9e46ece4ec0da8cbd9e2dbd7e80802c673
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<DocScrutinizer05> systemctl restart nginx.service maybe
<hellekin> doesn't say anything
<wpwrak> that usually means "success"
<DocScrutinizer05> that's fine
<DocScrutinizer05> systemctl status nginx.service
<wpwrak> https works again :)
<hellekin> ok so that part of the problem is solved.
<DocScrutinizer05> http works again
<hellekin> now the git-daemon part
<wpwrak> end cert good until Oct 20
<hellekin> and will renew automagically
<wpwrak> as it should
<hellekin> as it did
<wpwrak> hehe ;-)
<hellekin> pointing to the right file is actually a good policy :)
<DocScrutinizer05> unless I nuke the server and get something that doesn't have that stuff
<hellekin> DocScrutinizer05: don't break what works :P
<wpwrak> (git-daemon) i think it's gitweb. not sure if git-daemon does anything on our system (it listens only on 127.0.0.1, dunno why)
<DocScrutinizer05> we seen today how good it works
<DocScrutinizer05> and again, I strongly dislike LE and want to get rid of it
<hellekin> DocScrutinizer05: don't blame a configuration error on LE. certbot, although I don't like the approach, did its work.
<wpwrak> i think there may still be the issue that nginx doesn't get started after a reboot
<DocScrutinizer05> it got installed against my explicit request
<wpwrak> or was that only because of the cert ?
<hellekin> yes
<hellekin> the cert it was pointing to was a copy, not a symlink, not the original file.
<hellekin> so of course it didn't update and expired when it had to.
<DocScrutinizer05> so? I'm not happy
<wpwrak> ... which in turn made nginx fail to start. fragile stuff :)
<hellekin> DocScrutinizer05: so your unhappiness is blurring your rational judgement.
<DocScrutinizer05> no
<DocScrutinizer05> my rational judgement says "no LE!!!"
<wpwrak> hellekin: his rational judgement also screams that hannibal lecter is way too balanced :)
<hellekin> wpwrak: and is paralyzing my thought
<hellekin> nginx... yes, well, is that the normal way for OpenSuse to manage nginx configs?
<DocScrutinizer05> when you don't see how this shit today had never happened, had our admins listened to what I said, then I can't help
<wpwrak> no idea about opensuse :)
<DocScrutinizer05> and I say it once more: no LE, please get a decent paid cert
<hellekin> DocScrutinizer05: I'd be happy to oblige, but I'm not in that position.
<wpwrak> hellekin: i guess we won't get any useful work done until joerg gets his "proper cert". so let's put the gitweb issue to rest. it's not a priority.
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<hellekin> wpwrak: looks like he's pissed of
<hellekin> wpwrak: looks like he's pissed off
<wpwrak> default state :)
<wpwrak> only happy when he rants :)
<hellekin> I hope when he reaches the state of parting from his own channel, he gets to hack :)
<wpwrak> now, let's work around the broken clone issue ...
<hellekin> :)
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* enyc meeps ... jsut pleased to see things happening =)
<hellekin> enyc: lol
<enyc> hellekin: maybe you can do your own helping, I did a lot of my own =)
<hellekin> enyc: what do you mean?
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<enyc> hellekin: do your own helping with project related problems
<enyc> hellekin: in praicualr, dhelpful documenting of projcet station / communciotion/ web articles etc. AIUI is needed skill
<hellekin> enyc: what do you think I've been doing?
<enyc> hellekin: i don't know, you tell me =)
<hellekin> just that
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<hellekin> OK, now we have a DocScrutinizer05-compliant SSL certificate running on *.neo900.org. This removes a bug where incorrect file pointer triggered enraged IRC flood on the (lack of) merits of LetsEncrypt. :)
<DocScrutinizer05> \o/
<DocScrutinizer05> many thanks hellekin!
* DocScrutinizer05 erases all notes in calender about cert expirations for the next 2 years
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<hellekin> DocScrutinizer05: is the notification going to the right email address? :)
<DocScrutinizer05> the expiry notification?
<hellekin> yes. Will be too late to think about in two years :)
<DocScrutinizer05> I'm afraid we will see a few, at least next month or whatever the validity timespan of LE certs
<enyc> is LetsEncrypt being problematic, autoupdating not working?
<DocScrutinizer05> well, it needs a working autoupdate, a proper cert doesn't
<hellekin> DocScrutinizer05: I was thinking about the Thawte expiry notice!
<DocScrutinizer05> also I don't see the benefit for users when they have to face a new cert every few weeks when visiting neo900.org
<DocScrutinizer05> hellekin: aaah, I don't think they send any
<hellekin> they surely do. They wouldn't like you to miss giving them money.
<enyc> surely there should be some open source tool / addon / whatever to warn of upcoming expiring certs automatically
<DocScrutinizer05> hmmm that's possibly rather hetzner then
<hellekin> enyc: not everyone is happy with granting root privilege to auto-update a certificate, and with the extra package dependencies. Of course there are alternatives, but well, the boss rules.
<DocScrutinizer05> enyc: I rather use the ultra-classical methods and tools for such stuff
<enyc> hellekin: no doubt the tools around LE will improve over time
<enyc> hellekin: e.g. sensibly de-privilidged/managed cert changeover etc.
<DocScrutinizer05> one less thing to possibly break - for two years
<DocScrutinizer05> \o/
<enyc> DocScrutinizer05: good, what other 'infrastructure' problems ought to be sorted ?
<DocScrutinizer05> nothing severe so far
<DocScrutinizer05> server could use a lot less loglines in syslog
<DocScrutinizer05> and a working logrotate (which I hope I fixed)
<DocScrutinizer05> almost 5GB of apache logs
<hellekin> don't delete the logs yet, you might want to make some stats first.
<hellekin> then adjust the logs to anonymize IP addresses.
<hellekin> what about running an .onion?
<DocScrutinizer05> well, go ahead if you feel fancy :-)
<DocScrutinizer05> not about onion though!
<DocScrutinizer05> so far i'm pretty happy neo900.org doesn't show up on spam blacklists
<enyc> DocScrutinizer05: there are URIBL's but typically blacklists are DNSBL ip address lists....
<hellekin> why would it? Anyway the way static.neo900.org works, I don't want to dig into that.
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<DocScrutinizer05> enyc: exactly my point
<DocScrutinizer05> what's going on with static.n.o?
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<hellekin> DocScrutinizer05: as the sites call it, it would be defeating the purpose of an .onion, so all addresses should be rewritten to replace static with its onion version, and that's not trivial (well, there are some trivial solutions, but easy to miss something)
<hellekin> and lots of work. Easier to use Tor on the client side.
<DocScrutinizer05> oooh you meant a onion website, not an onion tor exit node
<hellekin> yes
<DocScrutinizer05> nothing wrong about a onion webserver, but as you said we probably first should sanitize the site
<hellekin> I wish the server migration would be to devuan :)
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah
<hellekin> server rebooting...
<hellekin> (kernel upgrade)
<DocScrutinizer05> good
<hellekin> looks like everything started fine
<hellekin> platform microcode: Direct firmware load for intel-ucode/06-02-03 failed with error -2
<DocScrutinizer05> yes
<DocScrutinizer05> lol
<hellekin> apart from that nothing wrong
<DocScrutinizer05> no surprise for a VM
<hellekin> oh ok
<DocScrutinizer05> newbe being decent bare iron
<DocScrutinizer05> rust = pathetic VM
<hellekin> I guess newbie has similar updates pending
<DocScrutinizer05> for sure
<hellekin> except it presents another interface ???
<hellekin> I mean yast
<DocScrutinizer05> err yast should look identical
<hellekin> zypper update is cleaner there :P
<hellekin> youtube-dl is installed ?!?!?!
<DocScrutinizer05> yeah the update is configured nicer on newbie
<DocScrutinizer05> o.O
<DocScrutinizer05> kill it, with fire
<hellekin> yeah, if it's ever needed on a server, it's in a VM, not on the host
<DocScrutinizer05> afk, bbl. sorry
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