19:52 <Joerg-Neo900> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/eu-passes-new-copyright-law-which-will-lead-to-a-more-censored-internet/

20:05 <xmn> stupid EU, doesn't understand how the internet works. Will be interesting how this pans out around the world.

20:13 <Joerg-Neo900> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2019/03/germany-considers-amendment-to-law-which-makes-it-illegal-to-run-a-tor-node-or-website/

20:14 <Joerg-Neo900> and for a lil nice one: from 2021 on, European DST switching will be gone

20:22 <xmn> yeah heard about that. Sad that everyone privacy is given for a few possible nut jobs.

20:49 <Joerg-Neo900> I strongly doubt they may nuke Tor. Tor been used (even invented?) by authorities for their agents out there

20:49 <Joerg-Neo900> so they don't reveal where they are located when reporting home

20:50 <Joerg-Neo900> no CIA and no BND will allow this getting nuked

20:57 <xmn> perhaps, more likely ban for everyone except gov officials.

21:08 <norly> xmn: but if nobody except gov officials will be using tor, then everybody using tor will clearly be a government official...

21:08 <norly> thus we'll know who the gov officials are...

21:12 <xmn> lol

21:23 <Joerg-Neo900> and the law is not about using but about running a Tor node

21:25 <xmn> true

21:25 <xmn> But slipper slope

21:47 <xmn> Joerg-Neo900: Didn't you post a link about cellular radio/baseban being made illegal in Germany?

21:48 <xmn> I remeber hearing about some new law, but can't find anything about it. Perhaps I remember wrong.

21:50 <sixwheeledbeast> Seems like Apple is losing the Qualcomm case. It's all going on this week.

21:51 <xmn> yup 30 mil right?

21:51 <xmn> they should if they did.

21:56 <Joerg-Neo900> xmn: baseband illegal? sorry please elaborate

21:59 <xmn> Sorry, don't have more. I thought I read an article about how EU or Germany is or considering a law that would ban people from modding or open sourcing the software/hardware for phones or was that just routers?

22:44 <Joerg-Neo900> xmn: the modem radio stack firmware needs certification which includes proved assertion that IMEI is imutable. So the baseband firmware must not be modifiable by user which usually is achieved by checksumming and check of crypto-signature of the complete image. Often even every time on power-on, for sure anyway on flashing a new image

22:45 <Joerg-Neo900> "routers" is a very faintly related topic.

22:46 <Joerg-Neo900> a relatively recent EU regulation forbids messing around with firmware for WLAN radio stack - much similar and for same reasons as WWAN/celmo.

22:47 <xmn> maybe that was it which will ruin the wrt type software dev in the eu at least

22:48 <Joerg-Neo900> however many of the WLAN chipsets are not equipped for support of a similar scheme of crypto-signing the firmware image. So manufs may do - and some even have done - lock down and sign etc the *complete* router OS

22:49 <Joerg-Neo900> yes, this is exactly the concern with the latter - it will kill all WRT-alike FOSS development

22:49 <Joerg-Neo900> did this answer your question?

22:52 <Joerg-Neo900> for an example of the consequences, refer to AVM Fritzbox which got "tivoized" since IIRC OS release v.6 - around a 2 years ago now

22:52 <xmn> Yeah, thank man!

22:52 <Joerg-Neo900> yw :-)

22:55 <Joerg-Neo900> Fritzbox luckily is "unbrickable" in a sense that you can recover from completely messed-up firmware, by flashing a recovery-image that's supposed to *always* succeed. So you can downgrade to FritzOS v.5 which is not yet tivoized, then from there on install your Freetz or whatever you prefer firmware image

22:55 <Joerg-Neo900> no idea if this applies to the more recent Fritzbox hw platforms, though

22:58 <Joerg-Neo900> basically Fritzbox went from my "recommended 'open' hardware" list to the "steer clear! you got to fight the manufacturer's lockdown-measures about who owns the device" pne

22:59 <Joerg-Neo900> one*

23:00 <Joerg-Neo900> https://freetz.github.io/wiki/index.en.html

23:05 <xmn> yeah, I don't understand how law makers make laws when these devices have a long history of security issue that are never or rarely updated.

23:06 <xmn> I also know that many of the developers for the open system come from Europe.

23:06 <Joerg-Neo900> seeing how the wiki, changelog, whatnot else, all seems to be in zombie state since several years, you wouldn't expect https://github.com/Freetz/freetz/commits/master