15:37 <pigeons> You should have just gone full liar. https://ewwlo.xyz/evil

15:42 <bencoh> :/

15:49 <Joerg-Neo900> the purpose of Neo900 project never been to make money but to create a hardware we all may love to use

15:50 <Joerg-Neo900> I'm sure literally everybody in here could come up with 2 or 3 smarter rogue plots how to make money in shady ways

17:20 <sleepingkirby> Joerg-Neo900: Well, if it means anything, I never thought you were trying to scam people. I was really excited to hear that someone really wanted to make a better N900. Heck, I still use mine. And, quite frankly, I'm still hoping that something happens and progress resumes.

17:22 <Joerg-Neo900> I think one or another company not related toNokia or N900 or Neo900 will eventually come up with a device. It's just too obvious something like this is needed

17:24 <sleepingkirby> Joerg-Neo900: Honestly, I'm not counting on it. It's obvious that it's needed, but so is net neutrality in the US, 3rd repair shops for Apple products, games without microtransactions.

17:25 <sleepingkirby> Joerg-Neo900: But either way, I appreciate the effort you put forth.

17:25 <Joerg-Neo900> thanks

17:27 <Joerg-Neo900> maybe keep an eye on https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cosmo-communicator#/

17:27 <sleepingkirby> The closest thing is the librem-5, but it's got half the features (no IR or compass or light sensor) and definitely no keyboard

17:28 <Joerg-Neo900> librem5 never been considered a particularly innovative concept

17:28 <sleepingkirby> nope.

17:29 <Joerg-Neo900> seems their only focus is on "Free hardware" and even there it seems they don't deliver

17:30 <sleepingkirby> well, their main focus is it doesn't track people. Never tried pureOS myself so I don't know.

17:30 <Joerg-Neo900> I can assure you they fail completely on _that_ aspect

17:31 <sleepingkirby> yeah, the cosmo looks nice.

17:31 <Joerg-Neo900> seems they even have a very naive idea about how tracking works nowadays

17:31 <sleepingkirby> What's wrong with PureOS?

17:32 <slobber> i just got a one mix 2s, it's not entirely the form factor neo900 strives for, but pretty good

17:32 <slobber> it's also not a fone

17:32 <sleepingkirby> yeah, it's huge.

17:33 <sleepingkirby> and at least it can run debian. Well, I'd like to run devuan, but it's better than android

17:33 <Joerg-Neo900> I even fail to understand what's Purism's definition of "tracking"

17:33 <slobber> i'm running banto on it

17:33 <slobber> *ubuntu

17:34 <slobber> i do have the librem 5 preordered, we'll see if it comes to any fruition

17:34 <slobber> i think they're mainly working on preventing hardware-based tracking: via microphone, webcam, etc

17:35 <slobber> one part of that is the hardware switches, another is open firmware, third is not running android/ios

17:35 <slobber> iuno

17:35 <Joerg-Neo900> that's eavesdropping, not tracking

17:35 <slobber> yes

17:36 <Joerg-Neo900> but yeah,obviously a switch disables a hw component, *as long as it's in off position*

17:36 <sleepingkirby> I do find it weird it says "one, even 2 days of battery life!" Given that my n900 can go like 3~4 days without charging

17:36 <slobber> what do n900s run these days

17:36 <slobber> maemo?

17:37 <Joerg-Neo900> I consider this a layman's approach to security

17:37 <xmn> hte cosmo is nice, but for me the fx pro1, seems to be closer to n900 and usable form. https://www.fxtec.com

17:37 <slobber> i've been out of the loop a long time

17:37 <sleepingkirby> yeah, maemo

17:37 <xmn> it might run maemo-leste too eventually

17:37 <slobber> i had n810 long ago, last i tried using it before selling it all repos were down and it was pretty unusable

17:38 <Joerg-Neo900> yeah, you need mirrors of the repos

17:38 <slobber> well, not surprising that a phone running a full debian fork not hugely optimized for mobile doesn't get more than a couple days of buttery

17:38 <Joerg-Neo900> luckily there are a few still

17:38 <sleepingkirby> The mirrors still work for me last time I checked.

17:39 <slobber> pureos is what they ship with their laptops too, i tihnk it's largely unchanged on librem 5 to allow for full-desktop kind of usage

17:39 <slobber> ah, well, i sold it so it doesn't matter any more

17:39 <slobber> glad that stuff is still up for you guys though

17:39 <Joerg-Neo900> :-D

17:39 <Joerg-Neo900> like new

17:40 <slobber> i was looking for a long time for a mobile device i can do actual work on

17:40 <slobber> the one mix 2s has been pretty good for that

17:40 <Joerg-Neo900> hardly you can get a cheaper all-in palmtop embedded system running a plain linux

17:41 <Joerg-Neo900> just the N810 camera is crap

17:41 <slobber> who needs a camera on a work pooter

17:41 <Joerg-Neo900> and the GPS is pretty much not really working either

17:41 <slobber> yeah that was my impression of the gps as well

17:42 <Joerg-Neo900> sorry, I'm afk

17:42 <slobber> cheers

17:42 <Joerg-Neo900> o/

17:44 <sleepingkirby> These are good alternatives. Thanks guys. I'll keep an eye out.

17:50 <pigeons> i didnt mean to imply any malicious intentions to neo900, just saw that link and figured even if a little offtopic i'd point it out

18:25 <Joerg-Neo900> >>first rule of bash: every rule has exceptions<< except this very rule

18:26 <Joerg-Neo900> pigeons: :-)

18:44 <Joerg-Neo900> maybe I should focus on evaluation of smartphones for my next few years of professional activities?

19:02 <Joerg-Neo900> look at this mess, regarding LTE bands: https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-note-9-sm-n960-model-number-differences/