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<pigeons> You should have just gone full liar.
<bencoh> :/
<Joerg-Neo900> the purpose of Neo900 project never been to make money but to create a hardware we all may love to use
<Joerg-Neo900> I'm sure literally everybody in here could come up with 2 or 3 smarter rogue plots how to make money in shady ways
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<sleepingkirby> Joerg-Neo900: Well, if it means anything, I never thought you were trying to scam people. I was really excited to hear that someone really wanted to make a better N900. Heck, I still use mine. And, quite frankly, I'm still hoping that something happens and progress resumes.
<Joerg-Neo900> I think one or another company not related toNokia or N900 or Neo900 will eventually come up with a device. It's just too obvious something like this is needed
<sleepingkirby> Joerg-Neo900: Honestly, I'm not counting on it. It's obvious that it's needed, but so is net neutrality in the US, 3rd repair shops for Apple products, games without microtransactions.
<sleepingkirby> Joerg-Neo900: But either way, I appreciate the effort you put forth.
<Joerg-Neo900> thanks
<sleepingkirby> The closest thing is the librem-5, but it's got half the features (no IR or compass or light sensor) and definitely no keyboard
<Joerg-Neo900> librem5 never been considered a particularly innovative concept
<sleepingkirby> nope.
<Joerg-Neo900> seems their only focus is on "Free hardware" and even there it seems they don't deliver
<sleepingkirby> well, their main focus is it doesn't track people. Never tried pureOS myself so I don't know.
<Joerg-Neo900> I can assure you they fail completely on _that_ aspect
<sleepingkirby> yeah, the cosmo looks nice.
<Joerg-Neo900> seems they even have a very naive idea about how tracking works nowadays
<sleepingkirby> What's wrong with PureOS?
<slobber> i just got a one mix 2s, it's not entirely the form factor neo900 strives for, but pretty good
<slobber> it's also not a fone
<sleepingkirby> yeah, it's huge.
<sleepingkirby> and at least it can run debian. Well, I'd like to run devuan, but it's better than android
<Joerg-Neo900> I even fail to understand what's Purism's definition of "tracking"
<slobber> i'm running banto on it
<slobber> *ubuntu
<slobber> i do have the librem 5 preordered, we'll see if it comes to any fruition
<slobber> i think they're mainly working on preventing hardware-based tracking: via microphone, webcam, etc
<slobber> one part of that is the hardware switches, another is open firmware, third is not running android/ios
<slobber> iuno
<Joerg-Neo900> that's eavesdropping, not tracking
<slobber> yes
<Joerg-Neo900> but yeah,obviously a switch disables a hw component, *as long as it's in off position*
<sleepingkirby> I do find it weird it says "one, even 2 days of battery life!" Given that my n900 can go like 3~4 days without charging
<slobber> what do n900s run these days
<slobber> maemo?
<Joerg-Neo900> I consider this a layman's approach to security
<xmn> hte cosmo is nice, but for me the fx pro1, seems to be closer to n900 and usable form.
<slobber> i've been out of the loop a long time
<sleepingkirby> yeah, maemo
<xmn> it might run maemo-leste too eventually
<slobber> i had n810 long ago, last i tried using it before selling it all repos were down and it was pretty unusable
<Joerg-Neo900> yeah, you need mirrors of the repos
<slobber> well, not surprising that a phone running a full debian fork not hugely optimized for mobile doesn't get more than a couple days of buttery
<Joerg-Neo900> luckily there are a few still
<sleepingkirby> The mirrors still work for me last time I checked.
<slobber> pureos is what they ship with their laptops too, i tihnk it's largely unchanged on librem 5 to allow for full-desktop kind of usage
<slobber> ah, well, i sold it so it doesn't matter any more
<slobber> glad that stuff is still up for you guys though
* Joerg-Neo900 got like 6 of them N810, for *cheap*
<Joerg-Neo900> :-D
<Joerg-Neo900> like new
<slobber> i was looking for a long time for a mobile device i can do actual work on
<slobber> the one mix 2s has been pretty good for that
<Joerg-Neo900> hardly you can get a cheaper all-in palmtop embedded system running a plain linux
<Joerg-Neo900> just the N810 camera is crap
<slobber> who needs a camera on a work pooter
<Joerg-Neo900> and the GPS is pretty much not really working either
<slobber> yeah that was my impression of the gps as well
<Joerg-Neo900> sorry, I'm afk
<slobber> cheers
<Joerg-Neo900> o/
<sleepingkirby> These are good alternatives. Thanks guys. I'll keep an eye out.
<pigeons> i didnt mean to imply any malicious intentions to neo900, just saw that link and figured even if a little offtopic i'd point it out
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<Joerg-Neo900> >>first rule of bash: every rule has exceptions<< except this very rule
<Joerg-Neo900> pigeons: :-)
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<Joerg-Neo900> maybe I should focus on evaluation of smartphones for my next few years of professional activities?
<Joerg-Neo900> look at this mess, regarding LTE bands:
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