#ocaml on 2010-07-27 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2010-07-23 16:16 gildor changed the topic of #ocaml to: "Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/ | OCaml 3.12.0+rc1 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.caml.inria/49387

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02:39 <krankkatze> hey

02:39 <krankkatze> what does "\195\169" mean?

02:39 <krankkatze> (I know it's the '

02:40 <krankkatze> é' char)

02:40 <krankkatze> (but what are these numbers?)

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03:35 <thelema> krankkatze: unicode?

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09:54 <mihamina> hi all, I have this problem: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners/message/12072 . the main goal for me is to crypt() password in a OCaml program.

09:55 <mihamina> would you know how could I load the "crypt" module correctly, or would you know another OCaml binding to the system cryp()?

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10:22 <krankkatze> hey, I'd like to get a string containing a char from the correponding integer - which might be > 255

10:22 <krankkatze> how should I proceed?

10:24 <drk-sd> Char.chr ? ( http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-ocaml/libref/Char.html )

10:24 <drk-sd> (I'm not sure i understood your question)

10:25 <krankkatze> Char.chr won't accept an integer higher than 255

10:25 <drk-sd> ah yeah, right

10:25 <flux> you would need an unicode library (Camomile) for that

10:25 <drk-sd> hmmm

10:25 <gildor> krankkatze: technically speaking OCaml chars are bytes

10:25 <flux> or how do you mean corresponding?

10:25 <gildor> krankkatze: so you cannot have something over 255

10:26 <gildor> you are probably talking about UTF-8 or UTF-16 char

10:26 <krankkatze> hum ok

10:26 <krankkatze> but I thought I could store non-ascii stuff in a string

10:26 <gildor> krankkatze: you could, as byte

10:27 <gildor> i.e. on unicode char will take more than one byte

10:27 <gildor> (where byte = OCaml char)

10:27 <gildor> this is like char[] in C

10:28 <krankkatze> yes

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10:34 <krankkatze> so could not this be used to do what I'm trying to do?

10:35 <gildor> krankkatze: could you rephrase your question, I am not sure to understand

10:40 <krankkatze> well

10:41 <krankkatze> I have a string where special chars are encoded like %[1234]

10:41 <krankkatze> and I need them as "real" chars

10:41 <krankkatze> possibly without using Camomile or so

10:42 <gildor> is this UTF-8 char ?

10:42 <krankkatze> yes

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10:43 <gildor> so you have to use Camomile or Extlib or Batteries, which provides UTF-8 char

10:44 <krankkatze> this is strange since you can actually store utf8 chars in a normal char

10:44 <krankkatze> thats what I don't understand, actually

10:45 <gildor> if you don't need to manipulate the string, you can do without any additional library

10:46 <gildor> but if you want to say "take 4 (UTF-8) chars from this string" you need to have something that understands the content of the string

10:47 <gildor> mihamina: solution to your problem, add the line "CLIBS=crypt" just after "RESULT=crypt" in the Makefile of crypt

10:48 * gildor away for lunch

10:48 <krankkatze> thanks gildor :)

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11:15 <mihamina> gildor: CLIBS=crypt is not the solution yet, I am stillsearching is some knows

11:19 <mihamina> gildor: It works! I edited the wrong file copy

11:21 <mihamina> well,...

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11:51 <gildor> mihamina: of course it works, I tested it ;-)

11:53 <mihamina> gildor: but it segfaults

11:53 <mihamina> I got the trace

11:53 <gildor> that's another problem

11:55 <mihamina> yes, I know :-)

11:56 <gildor> give me the trace, maybe I can do something

11:57 <mihamina> yes, I was pasting it : http://pastebin.org/421992

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12:07 <mihamina> it segfaults when I call Crypt.crypt "apass" "asalt"

12:08 <mihamina> gildor: uh! you're Sylvain? :-)

12:08 <gildor> yes

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12:16 <mihamina> gildor: just curious, does it segfault on your box?

12:16 <gildor> yes

12:19 <gildor> ok I got it

12:20 <mihamina> /usr/local/lib/ocaml/3.11.2/crypt/dllcrypt_stubs.so not found?

12:21 <gildor> add "#include <crypt.h>" in libmlcrypt.c

12:21 <gildor> just after the other include

12:21 <gildor> remember that salt must be only 2 chars

12:21 <gildor> (as per manpages)

12:23 <mihamina> wooow. it works.you know what?

12:23 <gildor> mihamina: of course it works, I tested it ;-)

12:23 <gildor> (bis)

12:23 <gildor> ;-)

12:24 <mihamina> that one saved the honor of ocaml/ocsigen at work in here.

12:24 <mihamina> my collegues were luaghning at me insisting using it by not even knowing how to crypt() passwords :-P

12:24 <mihamina> well, anyway, they are right, I did nknow how to :-)

12:25 <mihamina> until now

12:25 <gildor> pleased, to help the honor of ocaml

12:25 <mihamina> I made several mini howtos http://www.rktmb.org/category/work/ocaml very small, but it will increase

12:27 <gildor> you want your blog to be aggregated on planet.ocamlcore.org ?

12:27 <mihamina> of course

12:28 <mihamina> BTW, do you know how to contact eric stokes know? http://docs.camlcity.org/docs/godipkg/3.11/godi-crypt is not up to date, the @csun.edu email address is no more valid

12:29 <mihamina> I would like to take over the software, if he doesnt maintain it anymore

12:30 <gildor> send me the email, I will forward him

12:30 <gildor> gildor@ocamlcore.org

12:30 <mihamina> allright

12:30 <gildor> (I am not sure if he wants his new email to be public)

12:30 <mihamina> no problem

12:31 <gildor> I suggest you start a project on forge.ocamlcore.org for the maintainance

12:31 <mihamina> does he speak french?

12:31 <mihamina> my english is awfull and could mean the opposite :-P

12:31 <gildor> french -> I don't think so

12:31 <gildor> I will correct your english, when forwarding the email, if you wish

12:32 <gildor> (and AFAIK)

12:32 <gildor> your blog is now on planet.ocamlcore.org

12:34 <mihamina> my name is Mihamina Rakotomandimby

12:35 <mihamina> I loaded http://planet.ocamlcore.org/

12:35 <mihamina> but did not find it

12:35 <gildor> I know your name ;-), the planet is update every hour

12:35 <mihamina> uh

12:35 <gildor> udpated

12:35 <mihamina> sorry

12:35 <gildor> next update at 15:00 (Paris)

12:36 <gildor> ~25min

12:36 <mihamina> ok ok

12:36 <mihamina> sorry , too much hppy to have this crypt() working

12:36 <mihamina> happy

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13:18 <gildor> mihamina: you make the right column of planet.ocamlcore.org grow

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13:36 <mihamina> gildor: cool

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14:12 <jamii> aw, my entry on planet ocaml is broken

14:12 <jamii> <a href="http://scattered-thoughts.net/" title="subscribe"><img src="images/feed-icon-10x10.png" alt="(feed)"></a> <a title="Scattered Thoughts">Jamie Brandon</a>

14:12 <jamii> compared to eg

14:12 <jamii> <a href="http://ambassadortothecomputers.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default?alt=rss" title="subscribe"><img src="images/feed-icon-10x10.png" alt="(feed)"></a> <a href="http://ambassadortothecomputers.blogspot.com/" title="Ambassador to the Computers">Jake Donham</a>

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14:15 <gildor> jamii: that's because venus (the planet aggregator) is unable to fetch the feeed

14:16 <jamii> ok. is it rss only?

14:16 <jamii> i can add an rss feed tonight, wont take long

14:16 <gildor> no it can read atom

14:16 <jamii> hmmm

14:17 <gildor> but you don't return the good content-type

14:17 <gildor> I try to point my Firefox to your atom and he proposes me to download it

14:18 <gildor> the registered atom feed: http://scattered-thoughts.net/atom?tag=ocaml

14:18 <jamii> i return 'application/atom+xml' which is what the atom spec specifies

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14:21 <jamii> gildor: what does venus expect to see?

14:22 <gildor> jamii: this other URL works as expected

14:22 <gildor> jamii: http://bentobako.org/david/blog/index.php?feed/tag/ocaml/atom

14:24 <jamii> the only difference I can see is that one specifies encoding as well

14:24 <jamii> < Content-Type: application/atom+xml; charset=UTF-8

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14:27 <gildor> humm there is a lot of other differences

14:27 <gildor> (but I don't know if it makes a real difference)

14:28 <gildor> HTTP/1.0 vs HTTP/1.1

14:28 <gildor> Connection: close vs keep-alive

14:28 <jamii> do you know what error venus returns?

14:33 <jamii> it might not like the whitespace in my xml

14:33 <jamii> if its a strict validator

14:34 <gildor> wait a minute, I need to run it in debug mode

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14:35 <gildor> jamii: it says nothing

14:35 <jamii> yay

14:36 <jamii> oh well

14:36 <gildor> INFO:planet.runner:Updating feed http://scattered-thoughts.net/atom?tag=ocaml

14:37 <gildor> but the fact that firefox doesn't handle the content as the bentobako URL, is the first problem (to my mind)

14:37 <gildor> venus is not at all a perfect software and I am not surprised it doesn't give useful information

14:39 <jamii> ok, ill see if i can set the encoding in the content-type. that seems to be the main difference

14:39 <th5> Can anyone comment on the difference between using ocamllex and a camlp4 lexer? Any big performance differences (for instance)?

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14:41 <gildor> jamii: don't hesitate to ping me by email/IRC, I'll test it on my side

14:41 <jamii> gildor: thanks

14:41 <gildor> th5: you are talking about Genlex?

14:42 <gildor> or Genlex+stream matching

14:44 <th5> Actually I hadn't seem Genlex. I was thinking .mll files -> ocamllex -> Lexing vs camlp5 stream lexer (which I think is basically a stream parser for streams of chars)

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14:47 <gildor> th5: http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-ocaml/manual021.html#toc69, I suppose

14:49 <gildor> http://brion.inria.fr/gallium/index.php/Stream_Parser

14:50 <gildor> th5: I use both, but when things begin to be big, I do prefer ocamllex

14:50 <gildor> th5: don't know about performance

14:50 <th5> thanks. I'm familiar with camlp4/5 stream parsers. I know that for camlp5 there is special syntax for parsers from char streams to token streams. I had never tried writing one or ocamllex (though I've used camlp5 and the "plain" lex)

14:51 <th5> Oh ok

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