gildor changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/ | OCaml 3.12.0 http://bit.ly/aNZBUp
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<Pip> fun P1 ... Pn -> expression
<Pip> This is a legacy definition format of function ?
<julm> syntactic sugar for: fun P1 -> .. fun Pn -> expression
<mrvn> It's the reason why ocaml is so much "fun"
<Pip> lol
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<dskippy> What do you guys usually do when you've written a module and you want to play with it in the REPL?
<dskippy> I'm used to typing "interpreter ModuleFile" and then calling some of my functions in the REPL. Does Ocaml have a feature like this?
<dskippy> One command way to load a module into the REPL
<flux> #use
<flux> I often just use emacs and it's "send current buffer to ocaml toplevel"
<dskippy> flux: Thanks.
<dskippy> flux: Is there a way to start the interpretering using a module?
<dskippy> Man ocaml has no reference to the use feature. I guess not.
<flux> I guess the actual manual has
<flux> which is a pretty much good read in any case, covering OCAMLRUNPARAM for instance
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<lewis1711> the other day someone here told me the ocaml developers don't want to have a uniform interface for lists and strings, etc. why is that?
<banisterfiend> lewis1711: hey little one
<lewis1711> hi
<kaustuv> lewis1711: one big difference between lists and strings in OCaml is that strings are mutable while lists aren't
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<lewis1711> oh yes. and that didn't make sense to me
<kaustuv> Also, since strings are not lists of characters in OCaml, if you want to implement a function such as nth uniformly across lists and strings, you would need ad hoc polymorphism (i.e., type classes)
<lewis1711> or two functions with the same name
<kaustuv> Sure, but it's not the same interface then. The types are different.
<lewis1711> ah
<lewis1711> I just meant the same names that do the same thing, even if they're not *really* the same thing
<kaustuv> I believe Batteries Included does something like that.
<Axioplase_> Do Batteries extend the language or redefine bits of it? Or is it 100% user-level code?
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<kaustuv> It doesn't extend the language by default, through there are some Camlp4 extensions. I think it's almost 100% OCaml, but there might be one or two foreign functions
<kaustuv> lewis1711: Take a look at: http://thelema.github.com/batteries-included/hdoc/BatString.html -- it has map, folds, iter, etc.
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<hcarty> Axioplase_: Batteries is a library + a few optional camlp4 extensions. It sits on top of OCaml, it doesn't modify the language/compiler itself.
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<hcarty> adrien: Is there a reference for creating packages for yypkg?
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<adrien> hcarty: are you used to making packages in general? (setting DESTDIR and others)
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<hcarty> adrien: A bit - some local packages for GODI primarily
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<adrien> hcarty: I've just written http://yypkg.forge.ocamlcore.org/tutorial/makeypkg-tutorial/makeypkg.html , it should provide a good intro and I'll be happy to answer anything not mentionned there
<adrien> what are you planning to package btw?
<adrien> as for my previous question: it's mostly: can you make the build system to put all the files needed for the package in a folder, without anything else (usually achieved through DESTDIR=foo make install)
<adrien> hcarty: also, I'll change the format a bit, especially the version field since "binutils-2.20.51.0.1" definitely doesn't have a "x.y.z" version scheme
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<hcarty> adrien: OCaml itself would be interesting :-) Possibly PLplot (and cmake, since PLplot needs it)
<adrien> for windows or another platform?
<adrien> I need two things for ocaml packages on windows: 1- an ocaml cross-compiler (mostly exists), 2- no hardcoded paths (that might take some work to check)
<adrien> I know findlib.conf has paths stored in it (can't remember the exact format however) so that'll take some work but not too much since I'm already changing the paths in .pc and .la files, but there are probably others
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<bitbckt> findlib.conf is key=value paris.
<bitbckt> pairs*
<hcarty> adrien: Probably Linux, thought Windows is an eventual possibility
<hcarty> adrien: I'll read through the packaging tutorial
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<adrien> hcarty: ok, good luck ;-)
<hcarty> adrien: Thanks :-) I'll let you know if I am able to try it out
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<alexyk> why can't I declare: let f: ~?x:bool -> 'a -> int = fun ?(x=true) y -> if x then 1 else 2;;
<alexyk> while this works: let f: bool -> 'a -> int = fun x y -> if x then 1 else 2;;
<alexyk> and this works: let f ?(x=true) y = if x then 1 else 2;;
<adrien> val f : ?x:'a -> 'a option
<adrien> it's ? , not ~?
<alexyk> adrien: repl types f as: value f : ~?x:bool -> 'a -> int = <fun>
<alexyk> the first one
<alexyk> so I take the type and stick it into f: ... = fun ... ->
<adrien> not here: - : ?x:bool -> 'a -> int = <fun>
<alexyk> hmm
<alexyk> adrien: you're right:
<alexyk> # let f: ?x:bool -> 'a -> int = fun ?(x=true) y -> if x then 1 else 2;;
<alexyk> value f : ~?x:bool -> 'a -> int = <fun>
<adrien> which version of ocaml are you using?
<jm_ocaml> alexyk: do you use batteries?
<alexyk> so I enter the type with ?x:bool, and it's confirmed as ~?x:bool -- how so? batteries with 3.12
<jm_ocaml> I get the same behaviour only when batteries is loaded
<thelema> batteries causes types to be reported using revised syntax - bug in camlp4
<thelema> (or findlib)
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<groves> I'm using a module that defines this type: type java_basic_type = [
<groves> | `Int
<groves> | `Short
<groves> | `Char
<groves> | `Byte
<groves> | `Bool
<groves> | other_num
<groves> ]
<groves> I'd like to use it without using "open" in my code. However, JBasics.`Bool is reported as a syntax error. I can access other fields from the JBasics module.
<groves> Should I be accessing it some other way?
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<mrvn> just `Bool
<groves> I can't do that because I can't do open JBasics
<thelema> groves: Polymorphic variants aren't attached to a module
<thelema> groves: you don't need to open JBasics
<groves> Oh, rad. Thanks!
<thelema> no matter where you use `Bool, it's the same type
<mrvn> except for JBasics.other_num
<groves> A polymorphic variant is just one starting with `?
<thelema> groves: yes
<groves> That certainly makes this much less ugly
<thelema> groves: be careful with polymorhpic variants, they can make for monstrous type errors.
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<groves> I'm afraid I can't avoid them while using this library, but at least I can keep them in a corner
<adrien> just stay cool, they're not that hard but require to pay attention when reading the error message ;-)
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<alexyk> I have a polymopphic function, justGE, which used to be wrapped wither in pickInt or pickReal to work either with int or float. Now I refactored it and it fails to do both: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/314069/ -- why?
<alexyk> When defining that, I can either define pickInt or pickReal, the other then fails as justGE now types by the whichever was defined first.
<thelema> justGE and JustGreater aren't functions
<thelema> at least they're not obviously enough functions to the compiler
<thelema> which means it doesn't leave them fully polymorphic
<thelema> solution: "beta expand" = put at least one parameter in their definitions
<thelema> (and on the right side of the definition)
<alexyk> thelema: yes, it works
<zeenix> hi
<thelema> hi
<zeenix> the ocaml interactive doesn't seem very friendly by default. is there any modules i can load to get e.g history and completion?
<banisterfiend> off for the w/e bye
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<thelema> rlwrap and ledit provide history for the ocaml toplevel (google)
<thelema> These are standalone applications
<thelema> for completion, I think the latest LWT (ocaml module) provides line editing and some sort of completion, but I've never used it
<mrvn> zeenix: xemacs
<zeenix> mrvn: i believe in vim :)
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<zeenix> do you guys know of a good online ocaml tutorial/book?