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<Regenaxer> Morning tankf33der! Yes, this was a very bad event
<tankf33der> i dont understand the root of the event-problem
<tankf33der> lost in translation
<tankf33der> the reason policy attacked
<Regenaxer> I don't understand either
<Regenaxer> They were suspected to "cause an explosion" because they found a 5 cm plastic model (3D print) of an atomic bomb
<tankf33der> aaa, ok
<yunfan> EU were falling
<cess11> They are suspecting not only the far-right are on the rise and a threat to government ordained order but also left-wing activists and antifascists so they made up some excuses and took some of their communications and assets.
<cess11> Since RiseUp is US based I wouldn't be surprised if Washington wanted it.
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<aw-> "If you have ever donated to Torservers, or Tails or Riseup via a European bank transaction, your data is very likely now in the hands of the German police."
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<aw-> cess11: gotta stop the activists at all costs.. it's the only way to control society
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<cess11> aw-: Yeah, terribly dangerous when people are consciously driven by politics and not unconsciously driven by commerce, can't have that.
<cess11> Also, hi again channel, thanks for sort of providing me with a nice job.
<aw-> hi cess11
<aw-> what job?
<cess11> I'm a junior developer now.
<Regenaxer> Congratulation cess11!!
<cess11> Thanks, relocated in the middle of May, loving it. Working office hours with programming and web development is quite convenient for a change.
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<aw-> cess11: awesome! congrats
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<aw-> I might be hiring for PicoLisp dev within the next few months
<aw-> s/might/will/
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<aw-> I'll post to the list later
<Regenaxer> Cool aw-
<cess11> Yeah, nice.
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<beneroth> congratulation cess11 :)
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<beneroth> [off-topic] this will give headaches to international cloud corporations: https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/05/eu-parliament-calls-for-privacy-shield-to-be-pulled-until-us-complies/
<beneroth> (rightly so, I believe)
<cess11> I think we have a lot of 'sorry, we don't allow access to your IP range' ahead of us.
<beneroth> lol, you might be right :(
<beneroth> I liked the US newspaper who created a html-only (no js, no css) website :)
<beneroth> but this privacy shield cancellation primary hits also EU companies which use a US cloud or SaaS (e.g. zendesk?, maybe also AWS/Azure/Google)
<cess11> And Facebook, which together with Google are the primary targets for GDPR and probably this.
<beneroth> T
<beneroth> this comes completely from US failing to uphold their half of the privacy shield bargain (rightly so, FISA laws are completely counter the EU laws, and human rights also)
<cess11> Keeping VPS:s around the world for proxying will become important to have access to news from other continents, I think.
<beneroth> but strategically, as the US is now escalating the trade war, hurting their IT industry is the best counter leverage
<cess11> Yep, they mess up a lot of relations at the moment, not counting on others to be even more sinister in return.
<beneroth> cess11, yeah, this is a very bad development :( I miss the more open and less commercialised net of 10-15 years ago
<cess11> Yeah, same. Probably a good time to drop out of politics and into a regular IT job.
<cess11> Speaking of which, time to shutdown -h now and take the bus.
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<beneroth> bye, have a good weekend cess11 !
<cess11> Already back though, mobile connection is crap but works somewhat.
<cess11> It will be interesting to see how the chinese react when they get dragged into that internet walling stuff, they have some quite big businesses that will feel it.
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<beneroth> bbl
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