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<dubiousjim> SeanTAllen and krig: thanks for your help understanding the Generic example, and why the constraints had to be richer
<dubiousjim> follow-up question: why does the `Integer[A]` constraint need to be qualified with `val`?
<dubiousjim> if one omits that (or attaches it to `Unsigned` instead) the two lines marked "// here" in that playground example
<dubiousjim> fail because the types of the literal numbers can't be inferred
<dubiousjim> but why is attaching a `val` to `Integer[A]` what enables their types to be inferred?
<dubiousjim> I have some rudimentary understanding of rcaps, but attaching one to a type constraint seems weird. It's aliases to values that rcaps are supposed to qualify...
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<dubiousjim> Here's a minimal example of the compiler bug that krig found yesterday, helping me with my Generics example: http://playground.ponylang.org/?gist=d1cde53d72def5333edda1a4fc6b22f7
<dubiousjim> Made a Github issue: https://github.com/ponylang/ponyc/issues/2496
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<krig> dubiousjim: I'm also just learning, but I think it's because numbers are always val - and unless there's a constraint, the code has to be able to compile for all caps
<krig> dubiousjim: so with the literal assignment "= 0" the target of that has to be a val
<krig> i guess box or tag would also work..
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<dubiousjim> krig: thanks, I tried changing the `val` to `box`, but that didn't work, so then I tried this, but it made the compiler segfault: http://playground.ponylang.org/?gist=17e778351c9b0434b1f1d3bebfcb91a1
<codec1> dubiousjim, I think it worth opening an issue if you will
<codec1> thanks!
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<Jwashton> Is there someplace I can read more about AmbientAuth? The tutorial introduced it conceptually, the docs have a brief blurb, there's a few useful examples in the examples directory, and it's mentioned in the Supply Chain pattern page as a thing that might fail.
<Jwashton> But I feel like there's more to learn. Are there other "Object Capabilities" in the language? If so, do you also request them with the `as` keyword? Why my requesting AmbientAuth fail? Is it a thing that's only granted to one actor at a time?
<Jwashton> why might*
<Jwashton> Looking at the source, all I'm seeing is that it's a primitive with a constructor that returns None. Does that mean the compiler just knows that this primitive needs a spoonful of magic whenever it shows up?
<SeanTAllen> There's no magic in the compiler for AmbientAuth jwashton
<SeanTAllen> Did you read the comment on AmbientAuth primitive?
<Jwashton> Ah, looking at the source for Env helps a little bit.
<SeanTAllen> so _create on AmbientAuth is private that means only things in the same package can create it.
<SeanTAllen> Which only happens in Env.
<Jwashton> Yeah, the AmbientAuth comment looks like the same from the docs (which makes sense for auto-generate docs.).
<Jwashton> So, the typespec on the root attribute of Env is the bit that's helping I think. root is (AmbientAuth | None), which means that at some point something could cause root = None. root as AmbientAuth isn't different than any other use of the keyword.
<Jwashton> So I guess the remaining question is when might env.root actually be None? Is that a theoretical thing that's useful to ponder, but in practice something that never happens?
<Jwashton> Huh, that's interesting. The docs for AmbientAuth list two public functions (eq and ne) that don't show up in the source.
<SeanTAllen> the docs are generated from the final compiler processed sutff
<SeanTAllen> every primitive has an eq and ne function
<SeanTAllen> that's based on identity
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<Jwashton> SeanTAllen Ah that makes sense.
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