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<arigato> does anyone have an opinion on the "assert" statement and multiple .pyc files on PyPy3?
<arigato> I mean .pyc versus .opt-1.pyc versus .opt-2.pyc
<arigato> for issue #2929
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<mattip> how does it work on cpython? They also do multiple pyc files?
<arigato> yes, "foo.cpython35.opt-1.pyc"
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<mattip> I guess we should follow the standard
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<mattip> "standard" (is there a PEP or other documentation?)
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<Arfrever> Maybe you mean PEP 488.
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<arigato> cfbolz: what is "sea of notes IR"?
<arigato> "sea of nodes IR"
<cfbolz> arigato: it's when you don't have a list of operations any more, just free floating operations, plus control flow edges for the things have side effects
<mattip> Arfrever: yes exactly. It seems we should be PEP 488 compliant if possible
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<mattip> readthedocs is behaving strangely
<mattip> I updated some docs and pushed, but am not seeing the changes even though the build seems to have concluded properly
<mattip> clicking on the 'hg clone' bit, I see it got my updated changeset 00010b268b1f
<mattip> but the project ideas page is the old version http://doc.pypy.org/en/latest/project-ideas.html#numpy-rebooted
<arigato> Error
<arigato> No TeX files were found
<mattip> yeah, but the html renders ok
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<arigato> not sure what you mean
<arigato> you just said that the html is the old version, which implies the new version does not render at all?
<arigato> or maybe it does but isn't copied at the right place in the end
<mattip> can you see why pdf generation fails?
<arigato> no
<arigato> it looks like something changed in sphynx
<arigato> and readthedocs didn't adapt
<mattip> maybe we can pin the version to something older
<arigato> we should try to ask on #readthedocs, first
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<cfbolz> mattip: a lot of these aren't at all suitable for newcomers
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<vstinner> hello. i just sent an email to python-dev about multiprocessing and object lifetime (__del__ and the GC): https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2018-December/155946.html
<vstinner> does someone know if multiprocessing "works as expected" on PyPy: release resources (processes and threads) when "the pool is destroyed" (by the GC)
<arigato> unlikely
<vstinner> arigato: hi. see antoine's reply: "
<arigato> well, no, it releases things when the GC notices objects as dead
<vstinner> You can't change the language's philosophy."
<arigato> we regard multiprocessing as in the category of strange oldish hacks as ctypes and do our best to support it
<vstinner> multiprocess.Pool has 3 methods to release resources: close(), terminate(), join()
<vstinner> "with pool:" calls terminate()
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<vstinner> arigato: my question is more if it would help to multiprocessing requires to explicitly release resources
<antocuni> vstinner: I didn't look into details, but in general it always helps to have an explicit release of resources
<antocuni> if it relies on __del__, it's going to cause apparent leak and/or resource exhaustion on PyPy
<vstinner> antocuni: multiprocessing is designed on top of __del__()
<ronan> mattip: "The world is moving on, we should too." +1 :-)
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<marmoute> What's the latest on your winter sprint ? does somethings happens? where to ? when ?
<fijal> marmoute: February in Dusseldorf
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<marmoute> fijal: do you know the dates ?
<fijal> I think so
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<fijal> February 4-9, 2019 (both days inclusive).
<fijal> from pypy dev
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<fijal> cfbolz: feel like getting the official announcement out?
<cfbolz> Yes, I should
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