arigato changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end ) | use cffi for calling C | mac OS and Fedora are not Windows
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<LarstiQ> energizer_: crossing the boundary is expensive, so doing that often would be a reasonable assumption for slowdown (plus cost of emulating C api), but if you really want to know why you should measure
<LarstiQ> energizer_: how do the pypy numbers compare against the cpython numbers?
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<mattip> issue 2975 is using cProfile on some code, doesn;t that interfere with the JIT?
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<kenaan> mattip release-pypy3.6-v7.x 7a2e437acfce /: merge py3.6 into release
<kenaan> mattip default b2c0cc585997 /.hgtags: Moved tag release-pypy3.6-v7.1.0 to changeset 7a2e437acfce (from changeset 6fd188f8f903)
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<johnjay> so pypy is all about being python but fast?
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<simpson> johnjay: That's a way of looking at it; PyPy's interesting feature is that it is fast, although it's also got an interesting VM design and, having a better Python-to-C ratio than CPython, it's easier to prototype deep language changes.
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<simpson> As a side effect, we also get PyPy's toolchain, RPython, available for other folks to write other fast language runtimes.
<johnjay> what do you mean writing other fast language runtimes?
<simpson> There are RPython-based interpreters for other languages: https://rpython.readthedocs.io/en/latest/examples.html
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<simpson> For example, I developed an RPython-based interpreter for the Monte programming language. I got to use the same GC and JIT technology that PyPy has; it's in RPython.
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<johnjay> interesting
<johnjay> i thought a JIT was something scary you have to code by hand
<johnjay> as opposed to working in a framework
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<simpson> There are a couple frameworks. Of the ones I've looked at, RPython is the right combination of low-effort and Free Software for me.
<simpson> Here's an old tutorial on JIT in RPython: https://morepypy.blogspot.com/2011/04/tutorial-part-2-adding-jit.html
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<jacob22> johnjay: This is original research with PyPy. One of the reasons it is a great project.
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