cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end ) | use cffi for calling C | if a pep adds a mere 25-30 [C-API] functions or so, it's a drop in the ocean (cough) - Armin
<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-aarch64/builds/221 [mattip: pre-release, release-pypy2.7-v7.x]
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/rpython-win-x86-32/builds/217 [mattip: force build, release-pypy3.6-v7.x]
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-aarch64/builds/223 [mattip: force build, release-pypy3.6-v7.x]
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5002 [mattip: force build, release-pypy3.6-v7.x]
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-aarch64/builds/222 [mattip: force build, release-pypy3.6-v7.x]
<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-32/builds/2194 [mattip: force build, release-pypy3.6-v7.x]
<arigato> https://bugs.python.org/issue38091 "Import deadlock detection causes deadlock"
<arigato> in other words, recent CPythons can just deadlock randomly if you run multiple threads
<arigato> it looks like recent CPythons are *entirely unusable*, to me
<arigato> given that this bug report has attracked 0 reactions in the 3 months since it was filed, as opposed to a flurry of urgent fixes, I think I am justified in not recommending recent CPythons at all to anyone serious
<ammar2> but it's also gotten 0 "me too" comments
<ammar2> so not many people actually experiencing it in the wild?
<arigato> well, if in wild I'm getting a random deadlock, I won't know that it happens to be the import deadlock detection and I won't find this bug report
<arigato> I would rather first suspect it's a deadlock in my own code, before looking for this code
<ammar2> true
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<mattip> aksing again: does anyone have anything important on bencher4?
<mattip> My attempt to update the machine from debain 7 to 10 was unsucessful, and the conclusion is to give us a different machine
<cfbolz> not me
<arigato> not me either
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-s390x/builds/1197 [mattip: force build, release-pypy3.6-v7.x]
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<kenaan> arigo py3.6 1a1d7d250c82 /lib-python/3/: Issue #3111 Back-port the tentative bpo-38091 from cpython: Import deadlock detection causes deadlock
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<kenaan> Stian Andreassen py3.7-tracemalloc c31bb71da53e /pypy/module/cpyext/: Expose tracemalloc C API
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<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-64/builds/6647 [ronan: force build, py3.6-exc-info-2]
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-64/builds/6647 [ronan: force build, py3.6-exc-info-2]
<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/7866 [ronan: force build, py3.6-exc-info-2]
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