cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end ) | use cffi for calling C | if a pep adds a mere 25-30 [C-API] functions or so, it's a drop in the ocean (cough) - Armin
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<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/8265 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-32/builds/2386 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/8265 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
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<bbot2> Retry: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-32/builds/2386 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-32/builds/2387 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5409 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
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<bbot2> Retry: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-32/builds/2387 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-32/builds/2388 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5410 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
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<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5411 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
<arigo> any news on the OS X buildbot front?
<arigo> it seems we can't find anyone who is persistent enough to ensure we have a working mac buildbot for more than a limited time?
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<mattip> pypy doesn't appear on tidelift's catalog of software site libraries.io
<mattip> tos9: do you know how that works? Is it only tidelift software that appears there?
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<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5412 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
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<mattip> arigo: on the one hand, the billenstein-sierra owner will be back in august
<mattip> on the other, there are alternatives on CI systems like Azure
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<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5413 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
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<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-32/builds/2389 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5414 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
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<mattip> an unfortunate power cycling caused the win32 buildbot to die in the middle of hg update, which because of a bug freezes the build somehow
<mattip> requiring restarting both the buildbot builder and the master
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<tos9> mattip: they scan package managers essentially, not all git repos
<tos9> mattip: so if pypy isn't installable via pypi they won't find it I think
<tos9> but that being said, I think when I mentioned it to them they said they're open to adding pypy
<tos9> arigo / mattip : what's required at the minute for the buildbot? I can't promise I won't also only be interested for a limited time :D, but I do care about pypy+macos support and also I have a PR waiting for approval that needs building on it to see if it works
<mattip> python is under conda https://libraries.io/conda/python
<tos9> mattip: yeah they I assume scan conda forge or whatever... (which -- is pypy not on there?)
<tos9> but I doubt the cpython devs have arranged to be funded under that listing (let's check...)
<tos9> mattip: the home page has the indexes they scan: https://libraries.io/
<mattip> +1
<mattip> ahh, that is only the conda channel, not the conda-forge one, so no pypy
<mattip> about the buildbot, we need a machine that would be able to build pypy and it needs to connect to the master
<mattip> basic instructions are
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<tos9> mattip: ( https://tidelift.com/subscription/pkg/supported-open-source-packages is the full list of who's lifting )
<mattip> ... and here are more detailed instructions
<mattip> thanks, joining a meeting now so I will look over tidelift stuff a bit later
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<tos9> one other random thing that I know you guys sometimes care about (or hate talking about) -- git 2.28 has something for merge-y workflows, the --show-pulls flag to stuff now says to include which merge brought a file change into a branch (via https://github.blog/2020-07-27-highlights-from-git-2-28/)
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<tos9> ah so it's hardware that's disappeared / is now needed for the build slave? That's possibly trickier
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-32/builds/2389 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
<mattip> about the "who's lifting": I don't see any conda packages there, it seems python itself is not supported by tidelift presently
<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-32/builds/5414 [mattip: force build, py3.7]
<tos9> yeah, I wouldn't think it is, they seem too high profile :)
<tos9> and deciding how to divvy up funds doesn't sound fun for something like cpython
<tos9> pypy is smaller though, and y'all are more reasonable with each other :D -- so I still think it may be worth just sending a thing over to the tidelift guys and saying "hey can you tell us if there'd be any income you're aware of"
<tos9> maybe they have some idea already
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