<mortys> Hi zear, do you have any news of slaanesh ?
<zear> hey mortys
<zear> nope, nothing new
<mortys> So we just have to wait :), but I supposed it polishing his release...
<mortys> Zear, Slaanesh released the Dosbox test version.
<zear> yep, testing it right now :)
<mortys> I'm gonna do it now
<mortys> what do you use to mount the µsd card as C_Drive
<mortys> in the config file
<mortys> Zear ?
<zear> first you need to mount in on linux
<zear> then you do mount C /card
<zear> in dosbox.conf
<mortys> so you don't put the C drive stuff at the end... ok
<zear> nope, check dosbox.conf
<zear> there's an example at the bottom
<mortys> I've done it but write C /card/ c_drive
<mortys> not just C /card/
<mortys> syndicate is launching :)
<mortys> pretty slow but launched
<mortys> How do you get the mouse to work ?
<mstevens> yay, microsd usb adapter arrived
<mstevens> attempts my first openwrt build
<mstevens> cheers on the openwrt build process and hopes this doesn't really take 6 hours
<larsc> depends on your cpu and ram
<mstevens> well I think this machine is fairly good, but there's only one way to find out
<larsc> if it's a revent machine and your are not include qt in your build it should be less then an hour
<mstevens> It's whatever the default build is
<larsc> default build is less then half an hour
<mstevens> ha, build failed
<wolfspraul> I have setup irclogs of this channel at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs
<wolfspraul> also, git pushes (commits) into any of the projects on projects.qi-hardware.com should now trigger 1 line into #qi-hardware as well
<wolfspraul> let's see whether it all works, we may need to finetune a little here and there...
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: hi there, still up?
<mth> hi wolfspraul
<mth> larsc: does the NanoNote have backlight control? I can't find any reference to it in board-qi_lb60.c (lb60 is the NN, right?)
<mth> I am considering writing a backlight driver for Dingoo, but maybe I can make it a generic JZ backlight driver in one go
<mth> then I can remove all backlight related code from the SLCD driver
<wolfspraul> mth: hi :-)
<wolfspraul> lb60 is ben nanonote, yes
<kristianpaul> wolfspraul: hola
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: how is everything going with the NanoNote?
<kristianpaul> so far, is good
<wolfspraul> I will give a talk at the Campus Party in Bogota in late June/early July
<wolfspraul> two talks actually
<kristianpaul> ohh
<kristianpaul> me too
<wolfspraul> ah great
<kristianpaul> indeed !
<wolfspraul> I was just asking how far it is from Bogota to your place :-)
<kristianpaul> kind of
<kristianpaul> if you open a OSM map of colombia
<wolfspraul> so I need to prepare many many things on my end, but one thing I wanted to try is to get a simple Colombian disti setup
<kristianpaul> Buga from Bogota is 500Km far
<kristianpaul> disti = distribution?
<wolfspraul> normally I like traveling, bus/train etc. but in Colombia the general advice in the west seems to be to not do that :-)
<kristianpaul> well plain is better, and faster
<kristianpaul> for the people can affor it
<kristianpaul> afford*
<wolfspraul> k
<wolfspraul> but anyway you are in Bogota
<wolfspraul> disti = distributor, yes
<kristianpaul> for campus party i will
<wolfspraul> so I need to find someone who can help not so much on profit motives, but just to get a few Nanos at good prices to interested people in Colombia
<kristianpaul> nice
<wolfspraul> can you help me find someone?
<wolfspraul> nice it would be if we would find someone :-)
<kristianpaul> i dont know
<kristianpaul> indeed
<kristianpaul> may be i can ask
<kristianpaul> hmm
<kristianpaul> wait
<wolfspraul> there was a company in Colombia asking about distributor once, but I think they would sell at huge markup etc.
<wolfspraul> 1 USD = ca. 2000 colombian pesos, right?
<kristianpaul> yes
<wolfspraul> so the coolest thing would be if we could sell for 200,000 pesos, but that's probably impossible with shipping & import taxes
<kristianpaul> :(
<kristianpaul> indeed
<kristianpaul> my nano was 260.000
<wolfspraul> I am willing to share the burden on my end, but the problem is more to find an equal partner on the other end who won't add 100% :-)
<wolfspraul> that's a great price
<wolfspraul> that's only the cost of shipping & import taxes added
<kristianpaul> yes
<wolfspraul> which at this stage is what it should be, we need to find people that help us spread the thing. If we don't find them, well then it spreads slower...
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: basically we need this:
<wolfspraul> We need someone who is willing to order 20 Nanos, say for a total of about 4 million pesos
<wolfspraul> they need to risk that much money
<wolfspraul> then we will work together with them to sell them in colombia
<wolfspraul> since I give a talk, and you are also at campus party, I think we have a chance that we get them sold
<wolfspraul> but in the end the distributor will most likely only make all his costs back, and have become a member of our community
<kristianpaul> thats hard people to find here
<wolfspraul> if he totally cannot sell, I am willing to take the nanos back, but even then the distributor will loose a little money for shipping, taxes, or what not (and his time)
<kristianpaul> wish have 4 millones
<kristianpaul> wait a  min, you mean sell in the campus party time?
<wolfspraul> I am just trying to find a way to get them to people that are interested. Which I think after my campus party talk there will be some.
<wolfspraul> And maybe there wish to buy one can be fulfilled, or not. At least I want to try.
<wolfspraul> and I think we should work together to bring the price down, not up. I am looking for someone to help me on that.
<wolfspraul> I don't know whether I am allowed to sell there, I think they don't like that. Which is fine.
<wolfspraul> But there will be a talk about Ben NanoNote (and SAKC), so I would think a few people at least will say "yeah, I want to play with this too"
<kristianpaul> yeah campus people is bad ;)
<kristianpaul> what said carlos there?
<kristianpaul> he is in bogota
<kristianpaul> may be know more people than do i
<wolfspraul> Carlos and his students are already doing so much to help.
<wolfspraul> maybe there is a LUG in Colombia, or some other free software/content people?
<kristianpaul> sure
<kristianpaul> at slcolombia.org
<wolfspraul> Creative Commons Colombia? Local Wikimedia Foundation chapter?
<kristianpaul> yes there is Creative Commons
<kristianpaul> Carolina Botero is in charge
<wolfspraul> we just need 1 person who says "what the heck, why not, I just take the plunge and risk 4 million pesos to help these guys get started in Colombia"
<wolfspraul> plus I am 90% confident we make every penny back
<wolfspraul> I even take the Nanos back myself if they don't sell
<wolfspraul> but the one thing that is not possible is that everybody makes a lot of money. That won't work at the beginning, the product is too cheap and volumes too low right now.
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: so if you can ask around a bit that would be cool
<kristianpaul> wolfspraul: i'll try
<wolfspraul> would be sad if I give a talk but the stuff I am talking about is inaccessible to people
<kristianpaul> considering i'm dont know too much rich people ;)
<wolfspraul> only to the rich who order with fedex from Hong Kong
<kristianpaul> it still expensive here even 200mill
<wolfspraul> my ticket to Colombia costs more than 20 Nanos
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: the moment we have someone who takes an EQUAL RISK in this, I am willing to take a bigger risk too
<kristianpaul> this is not a rich conuntry, technology still expensive for masess
<wolfspraul> meaning that I could well imagine to lower prices further for Colombia
<kristianpaul> yes, i understand
<wolfspraul> but the problem is like I said: It doesn't make sense that I lower prices only so that others can markup more.
<wolfspraul> we get requests all the time
<wolfspraul> but those are companies that will sell it for 200USD and more
<kristianpaul> yes :(
<wolfspraul> 350 even (in one emerging country)
<wolfspraul> crazy
<kristianpaul> :(
<wolfspraul> if we can make the nanos more accessible I have a plan to drive them down to 60 USD
<wolfspraul> but needs higher volume. and higher volume needs better software and content, which gladly lots of people are working on right now.
<wolfspraul> including you :-)
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: ok, so back to the Colombia 'distributor' - can you ask around a bit?
<kristianpaul> yes i'll do
<wolfspraul> I'd say we should not look for the normal 'import' company, they are only motivated by large markup
<kristianpaul> so 4millons?
<wolfspraul> we need to look for a believer/supporter of the project
<kristianpaul> yes
<kristianpaul> i'll look for a local foundation
<wolfspraul> if we cannot find that person then that just means the device is only available via fedex from hk
<kristianpaul> not promise, but i'll try
<wolfspraul> which it is already
<wolfspraul> that means until all import taxes have been paid 1 Ben NanoNote costs ca. 200 USD in Colombia
<wolfspraul> 400,000 pesos
<wolfspraul> so we have that already
<kristianpaul> beleiveme, if i have that money, i'll put in nanos
<wolfspraul> but now we are trying to bring it down
<wolfspraul> carlos brought it down by ordering 20, btw
<wolfspraul> by ordering 10 or 20, the per unit shipping costs comes down a lot
<kristianpaul> btw, Carlos is on business i mean, i know he own emqbit, and sell stuff and services
<kristianpaul> not all is just teaching
<wolfspraul> sure I know. But they already bend over backwards to help.
<kristianpaul> okay
<wolfspraul> Only thanks to Carlos do we have some Nanos in Colombia now, for reasonable prices like you bought.
<wolfspraul> Carlos is the only free software/content guy in Colombia?
<wolfspraul> that's just impossible
<kristianpaul> not
<wolfspraul> so someone please put their money where their mouth is
<kristianpaul> are other guys interested in hardware freedom
<wolfspraul> we make it back anyway, the only thing we cannot create are real profits right now
<kristianpaul> i know i know, i'll try talk with people i'm related (a few) but is a try
<wolfspraul> great! :-) thanks...
<wolfspraul> so how's the nano for you? starting to become useful?
<kristianpaul> really !
<kristianpaul> ogg music all time so far
<wolfspraul> so much software we could/should bring to it
<kristianpaul> i just need make some time to add more sofware
<wolfspraul> yeah
<wolfspraul> do you have an accoung on projects.qi-hardware.com ?
<kristianpaul> nope
<wolfspraul> that way you could commit directly into qi-packages, and your stuff shows up in our images and package repos
<kristianpaul> and ill try have some case prototype before campus party
<wolfspraul> wow, cool
<kristianpaul> wich my conference will be about reprap i hope :)
<wolfspraul> I can show them on my talk.
<wolfspraul> nice!
<kristianpaul> i want :)
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: create yourself an account on projects, then I'll add you to the qi-packages project
<wolfspraul> so you can commit there
<kristianpaul> ok
<kristianpaul> i did i think
<wolfspraul> it's very important that the porting work that is going on shows up in the images and package repos, so it becomes easily accessible for everybody
<kristianpaul> kristianpaul = user
<wolfspraul> oh one sec
<wolfspraul> should I add you to openwrt-packages and openwrt-xburst?
<kristianpaul> that remenber i really liked that project management
<kristianpaul> i'll ask for it as soon i have something usefull i think
<wolfspraul> I'll just add you now
<kristianpaul> ok
<wolfspraul> no need to waste time later again
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: I added you as member to openwrt-packages, openwrt-xburst and xburst-tools
<kristianpaul> wolfspraul: are yo coming for wich days of campus party?
<kristianpaul> okay thanks for the trust
<wolfspraul> I forgot in detail how it works, I think you may have to upload your ssh public key, then you can push into the repo
<wolfspraul> nah, thanks for hanging around and sharing your passion!
<wolfspraul> all days
<wolfspraul> in fact I arrive 2 days early
<kristianpaul> i do :)
<wolfspraul> 25 or 26
<kristianpaul> i hope we can chat a bit
<wolfspraul> of course
<kristianpaul> ohh
<kristianpaul> :D
<kristianpaul> Cristian Peñaranda
<wolfspraul> nice
<kristianpaul> so see you thre :)
<wolfspraul> definitely
<wolfspraul> we'll chat more about it anyway
<wolfspraul> lots of things for me to prepare, even the whole trip is not finalized yet
<kristianpaul> can you bring a mlkimist one if is avaliable fot that date?
<kristianpaul> :D
<mth> larsc: Dingoo backlight needs PWM on timer 7, since that sends pulses over GPIO PD31
<mth> the current timer.h does not contain functions yet to reserve a timer
<mth> do you already have a design for that in mind, or should I improvise something and then let you review it?
<kristianpaul> wolfspraul: http://www.projectcaua.org/ maybe qi could fit in someway, (just passing the link)
<wolfspraul> kristianpaul: what is this projectaua ?
<wolfspraul> I know maddog is doing it but it looked very lofty to me last time I checked
<kristianpaul> wolfspraul: do yuo know john mad dog?
<kristianpaul> yes
<kristianpaul> well is other project trying to use free technologies to third world countries
<wolfspraul> yes but are they doing anything?
<wolfspraul> any results yet?
<kristianpaul> i heard from maddog there is a running pilot in brazil righ now, but not sure wich free tecnologies are using
<kristianpaul> not public
<wolfspraul> he, OK. Nothing then.
<wolfspraul> :-)
<DingooDigitalUSA> who wants an A330