<wolfspraul>
also, git pushes (commits) into any of the projects on projects.qi-hardware.com should now trigger 1 line into #qi-hardware as well
<wolfspraul>
let's see whether it all works, we may need to finetune a little here and there...
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: hi there, still up?
<mth>
hi wolfspraul
<mth>
larsc: does the NanoNote have backlight control? I can't find any reference to it in board-qi_lb60.c (lb60 is the NN, right?)
<mth>
I am considering writing a backlight driver for Dingoo, but maybe I can make it a generic JZ backlight driver in one go
<mth>
then I can remove all backlight related code from the SLCD driver
<wolfspraul>
mth: hi :-)
<wolfspraul>
lb60 is ben nanonote, yes
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: hola
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: how is everything going with the NanoNote?
<kristianpaul>
so far, is good
<wolfspraul>
I will give a talk at the Campus Party in Bogota in late June/early July
<wolfspraul>
two talks actually
<kristianpaul>
ohh
<kristianpaul>
me too
<wolfspraul>
ah great
<kristianpaul>
indeed !
<wolfspraul>
I was just asking how far it is from Bogota to your place :-)
<kristianpaul>
kind of
<kristianpaul>
if you open a OSM map of colombia
<wolfspraul>
so I need to prepare many many things on my end, but one thing I wanted to try is to get a simple Colombian disti setup
<kristianpaul>
Buga from Bogota is 500Km far
<kristianpaul>
disti = distribution?
<wolfspraul>
normally I like traveling, bus/train etc. but in Colombia the general advice in the west seems to be to not do that :-)
<kristianpaul>
well plain is better, and faster
<kristianpaul>
for the people can affor it
<kristianpaul>
afford*
<wolfspraul>
k
<wolfspraul>
but anyway you are in Bogota
<wolfspraul>
disti = distributor, yes
<kristianpaul>
for campus party i will
<wolfspraul>
so I need to find someone who can help not so much on profit motives, but just to get a few Nanos at good prices to interested people in Colombia
<kristianpaul>
nice
<wolfspraul>
can you help me find someone?
<wolfspraul>
nice it would be if we would find someone :-)
<kristianpaul>
i dont know
<kristianpaul>
indeed
<kristianpaul>
may be i can ask
<kristianpaul>
hmm
<kristianpaul>
wait
<wolfspraul>
there was a company in Colombia asking about distributor once, but I think they would sell at huge markup etc.
<wolfspraul>
1 USD = ca. 2000 colombian pesos, right?
<kristianpaul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
so the coolest thing would be if we could sell for 200,000 pesos, but that's probably impossible with shipping & import taxes
<kristianpaul>
:(
<kristianpaul>
indeed
<kristianpaul>
my nano was 260.000
<wolfspraul>
I am willing to share the burden on my end, but the problem is more to find an equal partner on the other end who won't add 100% :-)
<wolfspraul>
that's a great price
<wolfspraul>
that's only the cost of shipping & import taxes added
<kristianpaul>
yes
<wolfspraul>
which at this stage is what it should be, we need to find people that help us spread the thing. If we don't find them, well then it spreads slower...
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: basically we need this:
<wolfspraul>
We need someone who is willing to order 20 Nanos, say for a total of about 4 million pesos
<wolfspraul>
they need to risk that much money
<wolfspraul>
then we will work together with them to sell them in colombia
<wolfspraul>
since I give a talk, and you are also at campus party, I think we have a chance that we get them sold
<wolfspraul>
but in the end the distributor will most likely only make all his costs back, and have become a member of our community
<kristianpaul>
thats hard people to find here
<wolfspraul>
if he totally cannot sell, I am willing to take the nanos back, but even then the distributor will loose a little money for shipping, taxes, or what not (and his time)
<kristianpaul>
wish have 4 millones
<kristianpaul>
wait a  min, you mean sell in the campus party time?
<wolfspraul>
I am just trying to find a way to get them to people that are interested. Which I think after my campus party talk there will be some.
<wolfspraul>
And maybe there wish to buy one can be fulfilled, or not. At least I want to try.
<wolfspraul>
and I think we should work together to bring the price down, not up. I am looking for someone to help me on that.
<wolfspraul>
I don't know whether I am allowed to sell there, I think they don't like that. Which is fine.
<wolfspraul>
But there will be a talk about Ben NanoNote (and SAKC), so I would think a few people at least will say "yeah, I want to play with this too"
<kristianpaul>
yeah campus people is bad ;)
<kristianpaul>
what said carlos there?
<kristianpaul>
he is in bogota
<kristianpaul>
may be know more people than do i
<wolfspraul>
Carlos and his students are already doing so much to help.
<wolfspraul>
maybe there is a LUG in Colombia, or some other free software/content people?
<kristianpaul>
sure
<kristianpaul>
at slcolombia.org
<wolfspraul>
Creative Commons Colombia? Local Wikimedia Foundation chapter?
<kristianpaul>
yes there is Creative Commons
<kristianpaul>
Carolina Botero is in charge
<wolfspraul>
we just need 1 person who says "what the heck, why not, I just take the plunge and risk 4 million pesos to help these guys get started in Colombia"
<wolfspraul>
plus I am 90% confident we make every penny back
<wolfspraul>
I even take the Nanos back myself if they don't sell
<wolfspraul>
but the one thing that is not possible is that everybody makes a lot of money. That won't work at the beginning, the product is too cheap and volumes too low right now.
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: so if you can ask around a bit that would be cool
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: i'll try
<wolfspraul>
would be sad if I give a talk but the stuff I am talking about is inaccessible to people
<kristianpaul>
considering i'm dont know too much rich people ;)
<wolfspraul>
only to the rich who order with fedex from Hong Kong
<kristianpaul>
it still expensive here even 200mill
<wolfspraul>
my ticket to Colombia costs more than 20 Nanos
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: the moment we have someone who takes an EQUAL RISK in this, I am willing to take a bigger risk too
<kristianpaul>
this is not a rich conuntry, technology still expensive for masess
<wolfspraul>
meaning that I could well imagine to lower prices further for Colombia
<kristianpaul>
yes, i understand
<wolfspraul>
but the problem is like I said: It doesn't make sense that I lower prices only so that others can markup more.
<wolfspraul>
we get requests all the time
<wolfspraul>
but those are companies that will sell it for 200USD and more
<kristianpaul>
yes :(
<wolfspraul>
350 even (in one emerging country)
<wolfspraul>
crazy
<kristianpaul>
:(
<wolfspraul>
if we can make the nanos more accessible I have a plan to drive them down to 60 USD
<wolfspraul>
but needs higher volume. and higher volume needs better software and content, which gladly lots of people are working on right now.
<wolfspraul>
including you :-)
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: ok, so back to the Colombia 'distributor' - can you ask around a bit?
<kristianpaul>
yes i'll do
<wolfspraul>
I'd say we should not look for the normal 'import' company, they are only motivated by large markup
<kristianpaul>
so 4millons?
<wolfspraul>
we need to look for a believer/supporter of the project
<kristianpaul>
yes
<kristianpaul>
i'll look for a local foundation
<wolfspraul>
if we cannot find that person then that just means the device is only available via fedex from hk
<kristianpaul>
not promise, but i'll try
<wolfspraul>
which it is already
<wolfspraul>
that means until all import taxes have been paid 1 Ben NanoNote costs ca. 200 USD in Colombia
<wolfspraul>
400,000 pesos
<wolfspraul>
so we have that already
<kristianpaul>
beleiveme, if i have that money, i'll put in nanos
<wolfspraul>
but now we are trying to bring it down
<wolfspraul>
carlos brought it down by ordering 20, btw
<wolfspraul>
by ordering 10 or 20, the per unit shipping costs comes down a lot
<kristianpaul>
btw, Carlos is on business i mean, i know he own emqbit, and sell stuff and services
<kristianpaul>
not all is just teaching
<wolfspraul>
sure I know. But they already bend over backwards to help.
<kristianpaul>
okay
<wolfspraul>
Only thanks to Carlos do we have some Nanos in Colombia now, for reasonable prices like you bought.
<wolfspraul>
Carlos is the only free software/content guy in Colombia?
<wolfspraul>
so someone please put their money where their mouth is
<kristianpaul>
are other guys interested in hardware freedom
<wolfspraul>
we make it back anyway, the only thing we cannot create are real profits right now
<kristianpaul>
i know i know, i'll try talk with people i'm related (a few) but is a try
<wolfspraul>
great! :-) thanks...
<wolfspraul>
so how's the nano for you? starting to become useful?
<kristianpaul>
really !
<kristianpaul>
ogg music all time so far
<wolfspraul>
so much software we could/should bring to it
<kristianpaul>
i just need make some time to add more sofware
<wolfspraul>
yeah
<wolfspraul>
do you have an accoung on projects.qi-hardware.com ?
<kristianpaul>
nope
<wolfspraul>
that way you could commit directly into qi-packages, and your stuff shows up in our images and package repos
<kristianpaul>
and ill try have some case prototype before campus party
<wolfspraul>
wow, cool
<kristianpaul>
wich my conference will be about reprap i hope :)
<wolfspraul>
I can show them on my talk.
<wolfspraul>
nice!
<kristianpaul>
i want :)
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: create yourself an account on projects, then I'll add you to the qi-packages project
<wolfspraul>
so you can commit there
<kristianpaul>
ok
<kristianpaul>
i did i think
<wolfspraul>
it's very important that the porting work that is going on shows up in the images and package repos, so it becomes easily accessible for everybody
<kristianpaul>
kristianpaul = user
<wolfspraul>
oh one sec
<wolfspraul>
should I add you to openwrt-packages and openwrt-xburst?
<kristianpaul>
that remenber i really liked that project management
<kristianpaul>
i'll ask for it as soon i have something usefull i think
<wolfspraul>
I'll just add you now
<kristianpaul>
ok
<wolfspraul>
no need to waste time later again
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: I added you as member to openwrt-packages, openwrt-xburst and xburst-tools
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: are yo coming for wich days of campus party?
<kristianpaul>
okay thanks for the trust
<wolfspraul>
I forgot in detail how it works, I think you may have to upload your ssh public key, then you can push into the repo
<wolfspraul>
nah, thanks for hanging around and sharing your passion!