<kyak>
xiangfu: hi! do you have an idea how to override packages from openwrt feeds? it seems that packages from openwrt-packages don't override packages from openwrt feeds. However, they can override packages from base system
<bartbes>
kyak: rename ;)
<kyak>
i think we are stuck at this libiconv/gettext problem.
<kyak>
bartbes: rename won't work in this case
<bartbes>
I know, but that is the solution to prioritize
<kyak>
a lot of package depend on libiconv/gettext, not on renamed versions
<bartbes>
maybe you should talk to one of the owrt devs
<bartbes>
so they can at least tell you about the behavior of their build system
<kyak>
well, we have very experienced openwrt persons in here, including xiangfu
<kyak>
i think it's not bad asking here before
<bartbes>
but technically it has nothing to do with the nn
<wpwrak>
lekernel: two errors: 1) that should be MM1s, 2) they should be stacked on the z-axis, too :)
<bartbes>
lars-c (to prevent hilight :P) helped me before with the build system
<kyak>
technically openwrt devs don't care about nn and about supporting of desktop options
<kyak>
technically we are on our own
<lekernel>
wpwrak: well we also have to find people who buy them
<bartbes>
not quite
<xiangfu>
<xMff> I thought about the nanonote deployments breifly when ripping out i18n, but as it does not reduce functionality compared to before I just did it
<bartbes>
this is a problem regarding their build system
<xiangfu>
out for awhile, back in ~30 mins
<kyak>
well, fbterm doesn't compile. i don't know about rest
<kyak>
and it doesn't compile because libiconv is ripped
<kyak>
and it also causes a lot of other problems.
<kyak>
every single commit to libiconv for the last two months is "unstubbing the stubbed"
<kyak>
so they stubbed it
<kyak>
and then started adding some fucntionalities when they see problems with a package
<wolfspraul>
adam will send a proper mail, but ahead of that he told me 97 of 100 tested fine
<wolfspraul>
ah no, 96
<wolfspraul>
but one was just reflashed with the wrong pid 0731, that can be corrected
<wolfspraul>
3 with smt issues, he will upload pictures
<bartbes>
kyak: well, I found one of their own packages that they broke
<bartbes>
but first I need to get libintl-full to compile
<wolfspraul>
all avoidable (theoretically), I think iqc issues again, but I'm blaming WeyJia (smt corp) less than Adam here, because they are under enormous economic pressure.
<wolfspraul>
so I think it's fine. 3 bad ones, just toss.
<bartbes>
../intl/.libs/libintl.so: undefined reference to `libiconv_set_relocation_prefix'
<bartbes>
:(
<kyak>
bartbes: the problem is, that libintl-full will be compiled AFTER the packages that requires libintl. And this package will most likely not build against ripped off libintl
<kyak>
yes, just like this..
<bartbes>
oh I modified that
<bartbes>
I added libintl-full to the dep list
<kyak>
yeah, you modified it for 300+ packages that require libintl?
<kyak>
you are talking about your app only.
<bartbes>
no, for the one I'm building
<bartbes>
but it doesn't even compile
<kyak>
and it won't
<bartbes>
I mean libintl-full
<kyak>
because they install it into other directory
<bartbes>
that I can all change
<bartbes>
I don't care about reproducing it for the moment
<kyak>
ok, you can keep thinking about your app only
<bartbes>
...
<bartbes>
you make me sound bad
<bartbes>
I just want to get this to work
<bartbes>
to prove it's possible
<bartbes>
I know there's a deeper problem
<kyak>
ok, i'm sorry
<bartbes>
I mean, I got the entire EFL already
<bartbes>
I just want to get me some e17 on my nn
<kyak>
speaking about that, do you have X running?
<bartbes>
the EFL was easy, really, I just needed to change some flags to make it use fb and directfb, and don't use X
<wolfspraul>
viric: the v-cut is a groove line in the pcb, between pcbs - basically the separation line
<viric>
ah
<viric>
students of electronic engineering should receive points for reading this channel.
<viric>
:)
<wpwrak>
viric: harsh reality points :)
<viric>
wolfspraul: I'm about to make a release of the rss reader
<wolfspraul>
wonderful
<wolfspraul>
xiangfu was a little sick, but now he is fully recovered and back at hacking :-)
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: for protruding connectors, you could pre-cut the board such that it's already completely separated under the connector or maybe even the entire side of the connector (if there's only one). that should make depanelization quite straightforward.
<viric>
:)
<wpwrak>
ah, those new year hangovers ... :)
<viric>
yes, nothing new :)
<wolfspraul>
they didn't have (chinese) new year yet
<wolfspraul>
that's also 10 times crazier than anything I've ever seen in the rest of the world
<viric>
ah, those week end hangovers ...
<wolfspraul>
so we have to give him a week off for that...
<wolfspraul>
good thing that hearing loss doesn't matter much in hacking
<wpwrak>
(cny) ah, i thought it was a more sedate, family-oriented event. so it's fun then. good :)
<wolfspraul>
viric: if you know electronic engineering students, point them here
<wolfspraul>
unfortunately manufacturing is still considered dirty and lowish, big mistake if you look at the billions and billions apple is piling up, for example :-)
<wpwrak>
particularly those with RF skills :)
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: 'sedated'? you must be kidding...
<viric>
wolfspraul: I told 'page' to come in, and he came. We work together; not students anymore :)
<viric>
Well, to be honest, I'm still counted as an EE student I think. I did not finish. hehe
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: there's a big difference between "sedate" and "sedated" ;-))
<viric>
both page and me are graduated (mostly) as Electronics and Telecommunications engineers
<viric>
but at least me, I'm ashamed for my lack of practical skills.
<wolfspraul>
yeah, I just wanted to say - you don't know what a v-cut is?
<wolfspraul>
you can send your profs a big THANK YOU card :-)
<viric>
:)
<wpwrak>
*grin*
<viric>
well, they will say that "if you had come more often, and when you come, less drunk..."
<viric>
but hey, I did not have bad points on exams.
<wolfspraul>
viric: hey, that means you can also help with Xue schematics review :-)
<viric>
I can't say no to taking a look.
<wolfspraul>
download the sources, use dsv to download the datasheets, and start peeking over the schematics
<wolfspraul>
if you don't have kicad, you can just use a pdf viewer
<wolfspraul>
but unfortunately, unless they see a reason, they won't do the first step towards more open. :-)
<wolfspraul>
but that's ok. they are not against it either, definitely not. So when this secrecy nonsense stops, Samsung can just flip the switch and be open.
<wolfspraul>
but with those huge numbers it will be hard to convince them to take the risk, and I understand that.
<DocScrutinizer>
qualcom atheros merger sounds :-/ to me anyway
<wolfspraul>
DocScrutinizer: why?
<wolfspraul>
Atheros was small, had to happen. There are many many more lined up.
<wolfspraul>
the capital and investment pressure is enormous.
<DocScrutinizer>
reducing vectors to leverage the whole thing
<wolfspraul>
I'm sure at 50% of independent IC companies, some managers are working on m&a options, so they can always pull one out if big investments become necessary.
<wolfspraul>
what can you do...
<DocScrutinizer>
it's more fun to compete - been written on all pinball machines
<wolfspraul>
fun, for whom?
<wolfspraul>
if you need 500 million USD to invest, and you don't have them, what's fun about that?
<DocScrutinizer>
in this particular case for us, when they do
<DocScrutinizer>
well, OTOH if you bribed *one* dude at *one* Qual-theros, now you got more for same price :-)
<DocScrutinizer>
and we've really not seen atheros and qualcom competing in regard of openness
<wolfspraul>
nobody is competing on openness
<wolfspraul>
well, except for the marketing people here and there :-)
<DocScrutinizer>
DUH, killswitch. Thanks for the link
<roh>
heh. yes. its time for trustable south/northbridges/soc ;)
<wpwrak>
intel consider that, in some areas, a higher than average degree of openness helps them furthering their goals. i think that's an attitude we can agree with.
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: time to make the MM0.5. then sell the upgrade to MM1 in half a year ;-)
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: of course, since the MM1 was already announced, that would be "MM1" and "HX+MM3000"
<wpwrak>
today seems to be dedicated to the celebration of the Perfect Immobility of the Holy Coach Potato, at customs. my digi-key stuff is still sitting there, since 1:41 am :-( meanwhile, the bens have entered brazilian airspace
<ctZorgNotZerg>
hi I was hoping someone could answer some questions about sandy bridge procs?